Doesn't leave you with a "I can't wait for more cliffhanger." However since I hate shows never continuing after a cliffhanger I want more. I especially want more since I am hoping a season 2 would be an improvement.
The story telling needs some work, as well as the pacing and acting. I am a fan nevertheless.
This show started out interesting & felt rather promising. Then it just became all over the place & messy. Danny is supposed to have this magical ability which is cool... but he can't seem to get to work most of the time which is probably the most frustrating thing about the show. All the time characters seem to flip-flop with their motives. After watching the first season, all I can think is maybe the writers need to harness their chi and FOCUS.
Glad that is over with. Super hero? Super wussy rather. Christ, spare me more of these whining self loathing useless "super heroes" and give me some real kick ass ones instead.
A few randomish highlights and comments:
Applause for the Punisher of the evening, Ward Meachum!
Am I the only one wondering how interesting a novelization of this season's story solely from Ward's tortured and evolving point of view would be? Hmm.
Damn, but Davos is taking his feelings of abandonment and betrayal awfully deeply. And now, feeding on redirecting Joy's newly devastating daddy-issues to fuel his own vengeful plans? Dark. Maybe he and Karl Mordo should get together and vent.
And Joy. Sort of like experiencing all of Ward's last thirteen years of torment and disillusionment and despair slammed into just a couple of days. She looked so crushed. That won't be good.
And, yes, Danny, you abandoned your singular guardpost without warning or backup for a good while. Of course something happened while you were away. Duh.
Here's hoping that both Finn Jones (portraying Danny Rand) and the Iron Fist writing/directing team hone their skills -- which came off as a bit clumsy over much this season -- more fully before returning to us in The Defenders. Much potential -- especially with such strong support from Jessica Henwick (Colleen Wing) and Tom Pelphrey (Ward Meachum), and of course Rosario Dawson (Claire Temple) -- but much rougher than the other Marvel Netflix series so far. We'll see...
[4.8/10] I could live a long and happy life without ever having to hear another superhero agonize over whether it’s okay to kill the obviously evil, dangerous bad guy who is confronting them. There is an inherent tension between the hero of the story taking this rigidly moral stance with the fact that if they’re out there punching and kicking and blasting their way through goons, they’re invariable causing untold human suffering regardless of whether they actually extinguish a life or not. Can it be done well? Yes, but it’s been done to death, even among the Marvel Netflix shows, and Iron Fist is absolutely not equipped to find new wrinkles in that venerable theme.
That means that when “Dragon Plays with Fire” chooses to center the show’s entire finale, and by extension, the crux of the series, on the question of whether Danny should or should not kill Harold Meachum, it drags most of the proceedings, and by extension much an underwhelming show, into the muck with it.
And, as always, a big part of the problem stems from the fact that Finn Jones is a pretty lousy conduit through which to explore Danny’s dilemma here. The whole premise of the finale is that Danny is initially reserved enough, but upon learning that it was Harold who killed his parents, he flies into a rage and determines to kill Harold not out of a sense of righteousness but out of a sense of unholy vengeance. The big knock against that tack is that Jones is pretty awful at playing enraged.
In some ways, Jones’s boyishness has played to his advantage on the show. While I’ve still found Danny insufferable through much of Iron Fist, if there’s one way that Jones has succeeded in his portrayal, it’s that Danny does seem like someone who still has a childlike view of the modern world. But the downside to that is that his “raging anger” at Harold after learning the truth about his parents comes off more like a toddler’s temper tantrum than the emotional results of stomach-wrenching vendetta. Much of “Dragon” calls on Jones to play a man who’s dealing with the fire within, but when that fire comes off as more of a sparkler causing mild irritation, the whole episode suffers.
(As an aside, Gao was one of the few highlights in this episode and Iron Fist as a whole. Her calm and honest but manipulative bent made more out of her scenes than the sum of their parts.)
It also doesn’t help that the whole todo culminates in a series of fight sequences out of a third-rate 90s action movie. The episode dutifully moves all its players into place -- Joy learning the truth about her father, Ward helping his new allies take him down, Colleen cautious but ready for battle, and Claire as the doubting thomas -- to lead into an inevitable, underwhelming showdown between Danny and Harold.
While certain aspects of this confrontation are silly, but fall well enough into the category of pulpy fun to tolerate -- like Danny swinging through the glass of Harold’s office or using his iron fist to punch an incapacitating shock wave across the room -- many of them just come off as stupid. Why, for the love of god, did we need a scene of Danny and Harold playing American Gladiators with a very fake-looking pair of steel beams?
The whole roof sequence is a gigantic helping of stupidity and cheese. Harold taunting Danny about how long he’s wanted to kill Wendell Rand, or doing the usual scenery-chewing villain monologuing, was entirely unnecessary and belied the attempts at serious and profundity the episode made. At the same time, Danny was just an idiot. Even if he didn’t want to kill Harold which, given what we know about him, makes little sense, why didn’t he do more to, as Bakuto (god help me) said, at least subdue Harold? The hits he takes and submissive response to Harold’s attacks were imbecilic.
Nevermind the bevy of conveniences and contrivances that follow. The whole imagery of Harold as the dragon with the two construction lights behind Danny was weird and cornball. Danny turning his back on an impaled Harold was dumb to begin with, but then having zero awareness to get rid of Harold’s gun, which inevitably Harold tries to use, was one of those “we need something plot-convenient to happen here, so the characters have to be blind fools” moments. By the same token, Ward stepping in to shoot his father was the worst sort of cop outs to these “Can I take a life?” stories, where the hero gets to preserve their moral purity, but the bad guy gets disposed of anyway.
What follows are scores of teases and hints and ending character beats, most of which are just as underwhelming or rushed. While Ward, who has been the secret MVP of this show, still getting emotional over his father’s death and renewing his friendship with Danny (while Hogarth amusingly takes the stuffing out of them), was a nice moment, the rest of it was Iron Fist’s usual on-the-nose philosophizing and loud character work. Claire telling Danny and Colleen they were messed up was an especially odd little moment that seemed to be aiming for profundity and coming up with clichés. And the late tease with Joy, Davos, and Gao had super rushed developments for nearly all the characters.
“Dragon” continues a long string of less-than-satisfying finishes to these Marvel Netflix shows, where even the better ones have trouble sticking the landing. While the show at least had the good sense to center its finale on the show’s central characters rather than fixating more on Bakuto or larger concerns from The Hand, the macguffinism, the generic action movie bad guy confrontation on the roof, and the stupidity of the way the show addressed its characters’ actions and the moral code of its themes leave this finale as a weak ending to a weak series.
When I heard that Scott Buck, the showrunner who ran Dexter into the ground was doing a Netflix series, one with complicated racial politics at play no less, I was hoping that it might at least be the entertaining type of bad. Instead, Iron Fist was just competent to be passable, but just dull and mishandled enough to be thoroughly meh throughout. There are certainly bright spots -- the Meachum family drama turned out to be unexpectedly compelling, and Colleen shined before she got sucked into Danny’s romantic orbit -- but on the whole, Buck and company couldn’t figure out how to tell an interesting story about its main character, couldn’t find a way to make the show fun even if it couldn’t be capital-G Great, and couldn’t find a lead to breathe life into the show’s weaker moments and scenes and thereby elevate the series as a whole.
In the final tally, Iron Fist feels like an inferior rehash of themes and archetypes that many other superhero stories, including those featuring Danny Rand’s soon-to-be Defenders teammates, have already dramatized in a much more interesting, entertaining fashion. Next time, stay in K’un-Lun, Danny.
After the previous three Marvel/Netflix shows I was expecting more, not a bad season but I didn't see nothing upstanding or remarkable about the plot, fight scenes or acting in general. No, it's not bad like the critics were saying, it's just average. Danny Rand was miscast and not because of the diversity issue bullsh*t, the guy is just not a good or compelling actor. The writing didn't help either, he just looked confused all the time.
I'm so sick of "superheroes" having the dilemma to kill or not to kill their evil enemies. Just kill the motherfucker you idiot!!!
I was not this frustrated watching The Punisher, it was satisfying and great, in my opinion, unlike this show and some of its episodes. :(
This is the worst show I dragged myself to finish just because of continuity :(
I'm glad that's over and I hope he gets better in Defenders
CON: Everything about this finale is too predictable and you could see from a mile away. Poor ending for a poor season.
PRO: seeing Claire doing things other than patching people up.
first of all, great show! just binged it one sitting and im not regretting anything!
second, i know bros before hoes is cliche and very stupid and sexist, but the ideology still exists. seriously danny!!
and third, watch him blame himself ALL OVER AGAIN this boy needs a break
loved it. fucc the critics
Does not leave you with the wish to see the second season. It was not bad, it was simply an average tv show.
I don't understand why the critics were too hard with the show. Ok, there are many fails, for example, the show is irregular into its plot; its first five episodes was poor; i really don't understand what the hand is; however it's a nice season, nice characters and very strong female co star. My order: Daredevil > Luke Cage > Iron Fist > JJ.
Hmm. Yeah. The guy who has been here for two weeks set up a billion dollar heroin operation... Credible.
They really seem to think Bakuto is dead ?
And after a whole season, we're back to the most evident explanation to Danny's parents death, the one you guess 2 minutes into the show before even knowing the characters. Underwhelming to say the least.
The punch on the floor was nice, at least a little Iron Fist action. But making the final fight with Harold ? Isn't Danny supposed to be a super kung-fu master, and the season climax is him having trouble against Harold ?
Ward is a the only character that turned out great.
The setup for next season is pure garbage.
The Davos plot could have gone interesting but he just mindlessly wants to kill Danny now ? And he tries to recruit Joy ? And she seem to agree ? Each part makes less sense than the previous one.
Davos does not return to Kunlun, or try to fight Danny honestly but is planning an underhanded method, that seems unlikely. That he is world smart enough to plan that with someone like Joy and track and find her when she seemed to have disappeared ? Unlikelier.
The last time we saw Joy, she realized what a dangerous lying creep her father was because she didn't want him to frame Danny, and now she wants to blame all of her misery on Danny ? What ? And Ward is not more worried about looking for her ? Nor Danny ? The fact that her portrait is absent from the company supposes they accepted it.
And Gao is here ? Either one of them is working with her. That would make their encounter more likely, she would have been able to track them and make them meet. But she's Hand. There's no way Davos nor Joy would join with her. Otherwise she's there spying on them, and this is just really shitty writing to show she's out, because why in hell would she do that in person ?
Danny is bringing Colleen to Kunlun ? Didn't seem like a place where girls are allowed. And what ? Spend 15 more years there ? Or go there, convince the monks that it was a mistake to leave, train a week or two and leave again ? You already know it's impossible, so not gonna happen. And when Danny says Kunlun will be green, you already know that Kunlun will be either destroyed or owned by the Hand. How could it not when it was not guarded ? Every villain insist on that for the whole season "why are you not guarding Kunlun ?".
In the beginning I really thought they made a mistake to cast Pelphrey as Ward. But! He has been phenomenal throughout the show and easily one of my favourite Netflix/ABC Marvel characters. This should've been a boardroom drama and I would've loved it cause the Iron fist side of the story really got in the way of what I was enjoying. (This is just my opinion)
Does not leave you with the wish to see the second season. It was not bad, it was simply an average tv show.
I don't know about you but I really enjoyed this show. It's not DD or Jessica but it was more interesting than Luke Cage. I think the vast majority of has reviews were because the main actor isn't as good as the ones on the other shows. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
It has not gone bad but, inferior to Daredevil in all
Please do not add your nonsense long long comments on this show as you usually do on the others. This place is not for long critics. Just write whether u liked it or not and why in short sentences. Nobody is writing to a newspaper here! Enough!
And I like the show as I am a spiderman fan and know Iron Fist been through is simply told in this show. Now it is time for The Defenders! And it's gonna be great I suppose.
Shout by zombiebxxkVIP BlockedParent2017-03-21T20:44:17Z
Some sloppy writing (not asking DD for help for example) and cheesy dialogue but overall a decent show. I think the show overall was better than the second half of Luke Cage. The only outright bad thing IMO where the fight scenes well at least compared to the other Netflix/Marvel shows. Should have given Danny a mask like Matt in S1 and have a double film the fights.
I think the critics were just looking at the bad things, which are certainly there, and ignoring all the good things just so they could get their story with all this white-washing controversy across. Certainly not a great show like DD or JJ but still a good one IMO. 6-7/10.