This HAS to be the worst "crossover" yet (if we can call crossover to just characters randomly doing cameos). They have been hitting their head to the walls against Thawne since season 1 and now that they had the chance to finish it once and for all (and taking count that supposedly, Tom Cavanagh's last season was the goodbye one) and they choose the path of "yeah, no. Let's just take your speed, surely you won't get it again" . I agreed with Despero more than to Team Flash tbh. When are they gonna let the series die? It's been too long now, its time to go to bed little guy.
The Flash & His Bitches or Flash’s Angels?
can we start calling it harem flash instead team flash :joy:
While I like that they had Mia back and seem to be continuing the William kidnappinv plot hole left due to the arrow series branch off of arrow bering cancelled, having Mia in rhis ep. was unnecessary - it could have been a end credit seen where Iris tells her about the rune/language on the srtones when Misa suddenly turns up asking for help to find william.
What the hell is wrong with the writers? All the characters in the last 4 or 5 episodes have reacted to situations in such a stupid way. In this episode, Joe West goes absolutely insane when they suggest that they let Thorn die (please for the love of God let him die, I mean for good this time I can't stand the character) he shouts in a way that he has never done before which was very odd and I must admit a little arousing. Are they using an AI to write the story because it doesn't seem to understand emotions and reactions?
Wow the CGI on the fight scene was bad. I can't unsee Fat Flash now.
Nobody cares about Mia Queen. It wasn't even necessary to have her in this episode.
This whole crossover made absolutely zero sense. Look at my comment on 8x04 for everything wrong up until that point, but this episode just keeps adding to the mess.
First off, nobody supposedly remembers Despero, because of the timeline shift in the last episode. Yet somehow, everyone seems to be very acutely aware of who he is, what he can do, and more importantly, how badly Flash got his ass handed to him on a silver platter the last time they fought (they even literally talk about this fight).
Second, Joe acts completely out of character in this entire episode. Threatening to "break up" the family if they let Thawne die, THE arch-nemesis of the entire show, the person who killed Barry's parents, who has consistently proven time and time again he is a giant threat, the guy who caused Armageddon in the first place. Suddenly Joe thinks his life is more important than the safety of his whole family? The hell?
Third, Damien Darhk's interaction with Nora. In 8x01, Ray literally says Nora is fine and is out doing her fairy godmother thing. 8x01 was already happening in the manipulated timeline that Thawne set up (because Joe is gone already and Despero shows up). Yet somehow, Nora is magically dead all of a sudden because Damien's alive, and later on Damien and Nora meet in "the land before time"? That makes zero sense.
Expanding on that, are you trying to tell me that the timeline, something that has no conscious thought, kept Damien outside of his own timeline long enough so he could give Joe a present? Again, makes no sense.
Expanding further on the timeline nonsense... Thawne is dying because the timeline got reset, so he technically doesn't exist anymore. Time's just catching up with that fact. Great. Ignoring everything that was wrong during the previous episodes, I get that premise. But how does taking away Thawne's speed change any of that premise? They don't explain this at all, they just... say that it'll work, so it works. But regardless whether he keeps his speed or not, Thawne's timeline still got erased. Again, no sense.
Also, Flash's "Wizard of Oz" go-go boots that make him able to beat Despero all of a sudden. Hilariously bad.
Also, Mia Queen's completely pointless cameo, which basically was only there to tell the audience that, no, they totally didn't forget about the cliffhanger they ended Arrow on two years ago. The audience forgot about it, though, because no one cares about Mia friggin Queen. There's a reason her spin-off got canceled.
And I might be remembering this wrong, but did Cavanagh always have such puffy cheeks in his suit? It looked ridiculous. I swear that wasn't the case way back when.
Holy shit, Mia Queen needs to eat a sandwich.
I thought we were finally going somewhere after the fourth instalment, but this was incredibly underwhelming.
I didn't like this crossover. The only thing that made this worthwhile was Thawne and Darkh. I can't help but love those two.
The story felt rushed, some characters from previous crossovers where missed and I never like it when the main character goes through something and everyone else starts questioning him or her. Not my favorite story line, not my favorite crossover. Curious to see what happens next though but I think it's best to just let the show fizzle out now.
PAPA JOE IS MAAAAD OOOOO
NO WAY THAWNE DID ALL OF THE THINGS HE DID JUST BECAUSE BARRY “STOLE HIS SPOTLIGHT” I CANNOT
"I'm Joe, save Thawne's life or the family is ruined, cry cry cry..." Shut Up. That makes no sense.
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I'm glad they're giving a chance for Mia to sort out her story even without her own show (which, considering the slate already, I'm thankful there wasn't another one).
I am all for Joe West becoming everyone's surrogate father, though.