Yes well what can we say about this episode.
I guess the caption for this episode would be, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Again this episode as has all this seasons episodes have challenged the viewer with some big questions that thankfully most of us wouldn't need to address, not in this magnitude anyway. But it is still worth looking inside oneself to ask these life and moral questions and moreso to realise the answers that come up.
You gotta give kudos for the excellent battle scenes - kinda 'Star Wars' epic! Well done to all concerned.
Great performances from the cast, everyone is excelling in this season... there must be good vibes on set, it shows. Hulu is doing the right thing to and for the show.
This show IS amazing. It's exciting to see what mite happen now in the future. Bring on the last episode and then season 4.
Victor Garber has the best lines in the entire series. They sum up everything that The Planetary Union is about, and, by extension, the entire series. He delivers them to perfection.
Kaylon Prime: We have reviewed the organizational structure of your council and its history of deliberations. What you call representative democracy is a most inefficient form of governance.
Admiral Halsey: Maybe, but the one thing you can say for democracy is that all other forms of government are even worse. Over thousands of years and on countless planets, it's the best system anyone's ever come up to ensure the strong don't dominate the weak, at least not for long.
On any other series, that would have been the season finale. Ten years ago, it would have been considered a TV movie.
Not just on terms of length, because it wasn't even the longest episode of the season thus far, but on terms of stakes and delivery. They pulled out all the stops, showed us all the things, culminated everything that the season has been building up to... save for one small child.
Where all the other episodes (except for one unfortunate bummer) pulled at the heart strings and brought progressive thought and understanding in the way Trek fans had enjoyed for years, this episode was one bombastic, cinematic moment after another. And I can appreciate that, when employed correctly. So many TV shows (and movies) don't, and all the explosions and dying and interstellar war fail to mean anything. Despite this, there was a single thought-provoking plot thread that came to a close...
Ensign Charly Burke.
I understand, and sympathize, with a lot of the hate surrounding the character. Though, I'm glad that the vast majority of that hate was aimed at the character and not the actor. Orville fans setting the bar for more established fandoms. And I personally wish they could have fleshed her out more than they did. But in the end... they did a good job with her arc. She was ripped out of her happy little life, forced to work alongside the person who inadvertently caused the person she loved to die for no reason, forced to tow the line on a ship that wouldn't tolerate racism towards the enemy the way the rest of the Union might have (wrongly) put up with. And she grew. Against her desire to grow, she grew. She grew more than she was aware of. When she had no time to think, she reactively defended Issac and ultimately the Kaylon as a people. So, I don't hate Charly as a character - especially not now. I think it was a competent execution of a trope that is used far too often and falls flat almost all of the time. Hell, even the funeral felt earned.
The rest of the episode is so dense, and doesn't ever slow down. But it's also a very visual. surface-level affair compared to the rest, so I'll just say that it was general sci-fi excellence. A great dessert after an even greater meal. I was genuinely shocked by Admiral Perry, especially his awareness of his decisions (Somewhere between Lawful Neutral and True Neutral). It's a shame he's gone now, but I'm more surprised we got Ted Danson in a recurring role for two seasons. I knew that a major shift in power was coming because of the last episode, but I was not expecting the team-ups we are left with. After all the griping about the shorten ed episode list, the length of those episodes and how tight the narrative has been leaves me stunned there's still a whole other episode to go after all of this. See you on the other side.
On any other show Charly's arc would have been trash, but the team writing this show wrote that arc so very well. I like that her growth wasn't a revelation in her last moments, but that it was done over time. Great episode. Fantastic show.
[7.2/10] I can appreciate what The Orville is trying to do with this one. There’s some poetry in the character work. Ensign Burke starts as an anti-Kaylon bigot who wants to wipe them off the map and send Isaac to the trash compactor. By the end, she tells the other Kaylon that they could learn a thing or two from Isaac and is willing to sacrifice her life to save them from annihilation. In the season premiere, she has to be ordered to act to save Isaac and is almost insubordinate when the commands come down, and in this quasi-finale, she refuses orders to save herself in the name of saving the entire Kaylon civilization.
There’s a solid arc there. Her time with Isaac changed her mind about him, and her time with Timmis learning the Kaylon’s history changed her mind about them. I know a lot of fans weren’t happy with someone prejudiced being a major character on the show, but it gave her somewhere to grow as a character, and pays off nicely in how she sees the error of her ways on both an interpersonal and communal scale.
But the conclusion to her story comes with a few problems. First, Anne Winters has never given a particularly good performance on the show. Season 3 of The Orville, and this episode in particular, puts a lot on her shoulders. She’s not awful at carrying it, but she’s not great either, with flat or uninvolving line reads that detract from the gravity or severity of a moment or choice. It means no matter how good the writing is, Ensign Burke never really feels like a person in this world, just an actor reading lines.
Some of that, however, is on the writers, not the actor. Ensign Burke is more of a theme-delivery mechanism than a three-dimensional character. Effectively, her only character trait is that she hates Kaylon. They attempt to give her some shading with the idea that her true love perished at the hands of the Kaylon, and she misses Amanda dearly, but it all gets folded into the same hate brigade and is more told than shown. The only other thing about her is that she thinks in “four-dimensional space”, a magical talent that’s barely explained and allows her to save the day by fiat.
The end result is that I’m not really moved by her act of sacrifice or her death. I feel like I barely know her despite watching every extended length episode this season. Nobody mourns the redshirts who die in this battle or the crew of the other ships that are destroyed. That’s not unusual for Trek and (Trek-adjacent) shows, but still. The story of a bigot who sees why they were wrong and makes up for it in the ultimate way is a good one, and a tale that The Orville’s paced well over the preceding nine episodes. I just wish we had a more fleshed out, compelling, downright better character at the center of it.
I can also appreciate what the episode is doing thematically. It establishes a contrast between two titular “dominos.” One is a weapon of mass destruction, which takes advantage of the fact that the Kaylon are a hive mind to topple over one part of their network and thereby destroy everything that’s connected to it. The other is an act of mercy, of courage, of altruism in the form of Charly’s sacrifice, which sets in motion a set of causes and effects that help bring about peace from one of the most unlikely partners imaginable given the threats this season.
That is pure Trek and true to the spirit of the franchise that The Orville is paying tribute to. The essential message of this episode is that you can lean toward genocide in the name of self-preservation and praticality, or you can hew to your principles and give peace a chance, and only the latter will save your soul and effect the sort of change in the world all high-minded begins hope for. It’s true to the aspirational, violence as a last resort, respect for life ideals that those who grew up watching the adventures of the U.S.S. Enterprise hold dear. I can’t possibly fault The Orville for that.
I’ll confess though, it always makes me bristle a little bit when our noble space heroes take the high road like this when they’re facing total annihilation themselves. Star Trek: The Next Generation did it with Hugh. Battlestar Galactica did it with an anti-Cylon virus. And each time I tore my hair out a little bit the next time people died in an attack from the Borg or the Cylons, each of which were trying to obliterate humanity.
“Domino” takes the idea closer to home, basically treating the “quantum core” (a big macguffin device that’s tangentially earned as a concept since it’s based on insights from Timmis’ design) like the nuclear weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As the Americans did, the Union chooses to use its super-weapon a couple of times as a show of power in the hopes that it will provoke a surrender, which it does.
The metaphor allows the crew and the admiralty to debate the ethics of using something with such destructive power in war. It allows them to argue over whether genocide is okay when you’re not the aggressor and face extinction yourself. These debates aren’t particularly deep and don’t go past the most surface-level arguments, but the show at least uses its sci-fi abstraction to engage with these weighty ideas, which I can appreciate.
Hell, I like the idea that the admiralty settles on a “middle ground” of using the weapon a couple times to provoke the “logical” Kaylon into surrender without need for further bloodshed (so to speak), while Admiral Ted Danson sneaks the weapon to the newly formed Krill-Moclan alliance because he thinks the Kaylon can’t be trusted. It shows the force and fervency on both sides of the question here, and given that the Kaylon wish to, and seem to have the ability to, wipe out all biological life, you can understand the motivations, even if it leads to working with the bad guy crew.
(As an aside, while the Moclan/Krill alliance is a little convenient, I appreciate how Teleya basically demands an equal partnership from the Moclans if they want an alliance, with no lower status due to her gender. Even evil zealots can be feminists!)
Is some of this contrived for maximum drama? Sure. But I appreciate that the show takes time to consider the moral weight of genocide and also the pragmatic question of how unfeeling machines who’ve stated and acted on their own genocidal intentions should be dealt with.
Where they lose me is on the Union choosing to work with the Kaylon, from stopping the Krill-Moclan alliance from using a mega-weapon to finish the job. I know this is an aspirational show, but good lord, it shows an impossible amount of good faith to trust the Kaylon not to turn on the Union in an instant when it suits them, destroy the one (and so far as we know, only) weapon that can hold them in check, and return to systematically trying to destroy all biological life. I am willing to give The Orville some leeway in the name of telling a good and hopeful story, but that was a bridge too far for me.
I’m also roundy indifferent to the action-y climax we get here. Seth MacFarlane and company seem to want to make this episode their Star Wars, with ample dogfights and races against time in desert climes. Unfortunately, it comes off more like the Prequels, overly busy in almost every shot, with all of the CGI elements having an unreal, immersion-breaking sheen and dodgy green screen effects that turn the whole escapade into digital mush. The hand-to-hand fight between Grayson and Telaya is no better, with all the firefights and fisticuffs along the way turning into the same overedited, unfollowable, thousand-cut nonsense you can see in any action movie or show. You can tell how much money they spent to make this raging climax epic, but I wish they’d spend more time on make it clear and, you know, good.
Not for nothing, with Star Trek: Enterprise alums Brannon Braga and Andre Boremanis on board, I can’t help but notice the similarities to the finale for season 3 of that show, with a race against time to destroy the big giant super weapon before it does untold damage and a hero-type reducing their prejudice by better knowing their enemy, at least until the crazy explosion happens. It’s okay to pull from something you worked on [gulp] eighteen years ago, but this outing has some of the same problems that one did.
Plus, as much as I appreciate the poetry of Ensign Burke giving her life to save the Kaylon from total destruction when it used to be her wish, and she and Isaac reaching an understanding in their final moments, such that the Kaylon change their view of biologicals, the episode really gilds the lily. We get too many dialogue scenes that spell out the significance and subtext of all these choices in blunt detail. No theme or notion can go unspoken or left for the audience to surmise on its own. Ironically, it weakens what the show is trying to say, rather than strengthens it.
Overall, I still admire the ambition of all this. The Orville does some strong longform storytelling to reach this point, including plenty of episodic installments that coalesce into a greater whole. That is no easy feat, and many shows attempting similar things botch it terribly. The thematic aims here, both vindicating a peaceful approach and showing a change of heart founded on mutual understanding, are laudable to the last.
I just struggle with how all of it’s ultimately realized in this capper to the Charly and the Kaylon story (for now). Problems with Charly as a character, the way the show abstracts the idea of a WMD and genocide into its sci-fi universe, and head-scratch-worthy choices that strain the limits of even the series’ optimistic bent, undermine what could have been The Orville’s finest hour.
Charly is definitely a horrible person and a terrible officer. Stop buttering her up Ed.
Thankfully Charly is dead! Yay! At least she didn't suck at being an officer for once.
I loved Isaac's eulogy. It was incredibly moving. Charly did ultimately do the right thing when the time came and her sacrifice was definitely worth recognizing. But she was a completely worthless human being the rest of the season.
For as much as I hate on Charly, Anne Winters seems like a really sweet person. She definitely nails the character. It would be interesting to meet her and see what she is really like. She is definitely talented. I love her singing with Grimes.
Charly should have had more on screen character development and her sacrifice would have been more meaningful. We got almost an entire season of her hating the Kaylon and Isaac and then we find out that they just became okay working together after the ending of last week's episode? I can see how it happened, but it would have been nice to actually SEE it happen.
If that wasn't the finale then I wonder how on earth they are going to top this or what the story even could be next week.
The alliance between the Moclans and Krill makes sense but I really did laugh a bit when they tried their "women are inferior" act after being thrown out of the union for pretty much that reason. Guess some never learn.
The SFX in this episode was crazy but there is more then enough story parts to make this more then just a display of budget. They tackle the question of morality in using a WMD to commit genocide to your sworn enemy. Naturally there are two sides to the coin. And both are heard.
I guess we do know now why the introduced the character of Charlie as they needed a way to make the Kaylon see the error of their ways without sacrificing one of the main cast. And while that sacrifice makes logical sense inside the story, the emotional impact is, sadly, small. She was displayed too much unlikeable for me to attach to her. They tried to rectify that in this episode by having her sing with Gordon (which was admittingly a blast) but it was too little, too late. And even in this episode she was still generally opposed to Kaylons and harboured doubts the deserve to live, until her final actions. I'm sure it was meant to be her redemption but, like I said, it didn't touch me.
The whole attack on the Moclan installation had a massive Star Wars vibe for me (Death Star anyone ?). It was well done in terms of editing and flow together with the other parts of the story. That's high level film making. Btw. am I the only one who thinks Adrienne Palicki looks much too comfortable with a gun in her hand ;-)
Then there is the matter of Teleya. She actually got too little time in this episode if you'd ask me. I think that's what we will see next week - her triall and maybe a conclusion to what happens to her daughter.
Remember, a forth season is still not confirmed so some things need to be resolved. Even if we get another season it will probably be again a long wait.
I know it's not about the qaulity of a show when it comes to renewal. But I really hope to hear soon that next week won't be the last time we fly with "The Orville".
So they took their only working weapon to Kaylon Prime and the only two people who can operate it to an diplomatic mission into the enemy's headquarter? Hmm... Plus, it's way too easy to capture the weapon. But for dramatic purposes, I'll accept this.
Apart from that, this is an other solid episode. I like the massive space ship armadas fighting. Sometimes even I like some Star Wars action (which begs the question whether that's the next franchise they are about to take on). I like the peace making (be strong and negotiate from a position of strength but don't humiliate your enemy). I like the alliance building. I like the contemplation about the implications of such a WMD. This philosophical question is clearly not the core of this episode but it's nice to see that this has been noticed (and drives the plot forward in the first place).
And they got the emotional part just right (she's also a proxy for all lives been lost in the battle). I always liked her. Not sure why others didn't. Yes, admittedly, she was annoying at times but all in all her background story was credible and her character development until this point was well-explained. But her fate was more than just an emotional outburst. It served a real purpose with wider political implications. Kudos to the writers.
A bland but well constructed space movie. Too obviously constructed for my taste however. This is basically THE blueprint.
What I must praise is that this could really be a standalone movie. Even all the elements like previously established relationships or children do not need the knowledge but the viewer can just build his own picture with the information at hand. And I must say this is actually more enjoyable because it would be less on the nose storytelling. But well this is just an observation since this is NOT a standalone movie.
The shuttle that takes the device from Earth to the waiting Krill ship is numbered ECV-197-1, matching the Orville's shuttle. The question is, is it really one of the titular ship's pods or is it the result of lazy VFX work? Personally, I lean toward the latter; another pod numbered ECV-197-1 is clearly visible in Orville's shuttle bay when the Kaylon pod docks about halfway through the episode, and in later scenes. (Looking at you, Defiant. It's the Sao Paulo all over again.)
I am frustrated by how shallow this episode seems, despite its attempts to seem deep. Getting too far into it would be major spoilers, but let's just say there are a lot of ships critically damaged or destroyed in this episode that go completely unacknowledged. The cynic in me says that "you know why" there's only one casualty we seem to care about. Maybe the next (and final?) episode will address the rest.
Maybe.
Unlike many others I really liked Charlie. First they killed Hemmer and now her. :sob:
wtf......... Charly :'( the best thing about season 3.
I am not sure if I can really like this Starwars episode much. It's one big remake of the attack on the DeathStar in orbit around Endor, even including the base door leading to the power source. Only thing missing is some furry knock off of the Ewoks, where I guess the Kaylon come in - instead.
Oh no... the show is incredible, but not this episode. It's clearly been heavily rushed and major plot points were disregarded in favour of superficially tying up loose ends to end the season. But, this doesn't mean the whole show is bad, only that this episode is not as good as the previous ones, and overall, the show is stellar (pun intended).
There's going to be a lot here, because I'm going through the episode a 2nd time to get everything both on the issues side and on the excellence side, but here we go.
I saw many plotholes and logical failures in this episode such as
Chancellor Teleya forgetting all her reasons for rejecting Krill-Union membership, such as "we have new advanced weapons and don't need yours" (which includes Moclan weapons) and "Krill don't need to rely on anyone", but then being completely open to a Krill-Moclan alliance to get Moclan weapons and relying on each other for protection
Charly and Isaac suddenly developing a Kaylon-EMP device that is "limited only be the amount of power available" whose "range would be unlimited", and where "no [Union] people or ships would be affected". It's basically the "there is no cow level" cheat from StarCraft (instant win hack).
The irony of Charly calling someone else biased for disagreeing with her biased opinion is actually realistic
The fact the Orville was able to reach all the way to the Kaylon home planet with literally no resistance
The crew celebrating too early while things are still in flux, and the highly-trained officers being shortsighted and not planning ahead to solidify the victory breathes incompetence
Maybe my personal opinion, but a second "Hollywood campfire singing" scene is just too much. To me, the previous one has very nice timing and atmosphere, but this one is out of place and takes away from the story. Also, to me it seems like Charly is lip-syncing, that the song's lyrics are not relevant to the story, and the melody is generic, so I have a hard time getting into the music at all, and it disconnects me from the scene
The Kaylon-EMP device, the most important tactical weapon in the entire Union, and a weapon that the Union is fully aware many extremists would want to take advantage of because of their losses in the Kaylon conflict, being guarded by just 3 liutenants.
The Union extremists somehow not setting off any immediate alarms or notifications after taking the most important weapon in the entire Union
The Krill and the Moclans both showing up to receive Admiral Perry, but then saying they didn't want anyone to find out about the Krill-Moclan alliance. Why did they both show up together for a simple meeting when they didn't have to?
Instead of considering Admiral Perry's codes may have been stolen, that he was being coerced, or anything else, for an organization based on mutual trust, the speed at which the Union admiral, captain, and everyone firmly believed Admiral Perry betrayed the entire Union was astounding
The Union somehow detecting Moclan weapon signatures when it was only the Krill ship that fired to destroy Admiral Perry's shuttle
The Moclans and Dr. Kalba somehow already having "one of the largest [quantum cores]", which is exactly what they need in order to blow up all Kaylon in the entire galaxy, is only a slight hack (in case you didn't get the sarcasm, it's a completely massive hack)
The Orville being the sole negotiator for an alliance with the Kaylon without involving the council, or even an admiral, came out of nowhere with no setup, and is definitely against protocol. Also, how did they contact Kaylon Prime from where they were?
Kaylon Prime somehow inferring an alliance without being directly asked is just a tad too Human for a robot that doesn't understand the value of biological life
When Kaylon Prime boarded the Orville, Kelly's sassiness was being both unprofessional and tactically risky by antagonizing the Kaylon when they are coming to help. As a first officer, she would know that
Cloaking the shuttle to retrieve the Kaylon-EMP device, but then surrounding the cloaked ship with fighters to completely give away its position anyway
Gordon's fighter somehow being the only one able to loop/pull back to get behind enemy fighters, and all the other fighters (including the enemy ones) being able to do basically nothing but fly straight and fire
Charly's shuttle's cloak malfunctioning despite never being hit by anything
Gordon trying to save Murphy, but when seeing his shuttle destroyed right in front of him, Gordon having no reaction at all. Not shouting "Murphy!", not looking sad or in pain from his crewmate just dying, nope just avoiding Murphy's shuttle debris and corpse like they're just some rocks hitting his windshield. At least John looked like he was a little bit upset.
Charly's shuttle being hit in the front and somehow losing main power because of that, but then getting hit a second time (How strong is this shuttle? Damn, all the other fighters explode in one hit) and nothing happens
The Moclans being fully aware of Xeleyan strength (since they used to be Union members), not reinforcing their doors with Xeleyan-strength metals is just a bit strange
The Moclan science facility being exactly the same as Moclan prison black site just with new lights. This show clearly doesn't have much in the way of budget concerns with its great CGI, so why would the film set be so neglected?
(I'm a martial artist, so) Kelly having Teleya's dagger on her throat, but deciding to just ignore it and attack her, which in reality would result in Kelly's throat being sliced open, but for some reason, Teleya, while in the middle of being elbowed in the face, carefully takes the dagger away from Kelly's throat, being very careful not to slice her, but then trying to slice her throat with it immediately afterwards
Instead of saying "the core is at full power" and then using a meaningless countdown that has no purpose other than to create urgency, a better option would've been "the core is at 11% power" and use that instead
Kaylon Prime shooting all Moclans who ran towards the door, but the last Moclan somehow forgetting that and running towards the door anyway, and then Kaylon Prime not shooting him
Charly having been clearly set up throughout her entire character arc to hate the Kaylon, and continuing that in this episode with her saying "we should've wiped out the Kaylon" and that "we're making a huge mistake [by keeping them alive]", but then she suddenly flips completely, saying nothing about Kaylon Prime killing Moclans who tried to escape, then even mentioning Amanda's name (her best friend who was killed by the Kaylon), as she sacrifices herself to save all the Kaylon.
Kelly still being antagonistic towards Kaylon Prime (AKA their president) even though it jeopardizes a potential long-term alliance
Ed somehow being allowed to see, unsupervised, the exact same prisoner he previously set free which led to the entire Krill-Union conflict
The Kaylon being invited to the Union Council immediately after the only weapon that could've stood a chance against them was destroyed, and Kaylon Prime converting just like that, even though what it took to convert Isaac was building an entire family relationship with Claire, Marcus, and Ty, and having that relationship directly threatened. All Kaylon Prime knew and saw was one Human destroying the only weapon that could've stopped them
Charly, an ensign, having a dedicated funeral, but all the captains, first officers, liutenants and more who died in all the Union ships and fighters during the battle (including the ones who fought alongside Gordon and John protecting Charly's shuttle) not even being mentioned
The ethics discussion Ed brings up in the small admiral meeting, and that the crew brings up in the cafeteria is very good thoughtfulness to the morality of using weapons of mass destruction. And the council's decision to "demonstrate their power" against the Kaylon reflects the horrors of Little Boy and Fat Man in Hiroshima and Nagasaki that America used against Japan, beating them into near-death submission and surrender
When the Orville arrived at the Kaylon planet, the Kaylon needing 2 waves of ships to be destroyed before communicating is very nice, because they needed to test that the previous encounter wasn't just a fluke and that the Union genuinely has an effective weapon
I love the returning Bortus-Klyden bickering over the walnut cracking. It's hilarious and refreshing
I like Isaac teaching astronomy to Topa which also teaches the viewers. I think more people learning about space and science is a good thing
The Union officers taking the Kaylon-EMP device was awesome, and I initially thought they were disguised Krill spies, but were actually Union insurgents working under Admiral Perry. That caught me off guard.
Lack of setup notwithstanding, the betrayal of an admiral in the Union is a very interesting plot point to use
I love Kaylon Prime's "Is this your concept of humour?" putting Human jokes into an emotionless robot's language. Reminds me a lot of Commander Data from Star Trek TNG
Kaylon Prime needing to accompany the Orville's crew to retrieve the Kaylon-EMP device is realistic
For the battle of the Kaylon-EMP device, it's amazing how the Union shows up first, and then they Kaylon shows up from all directions later, because it makes it seem like there is no Union-Kaylon alliance and that the Kaylon just showed up on their own. On top of this, the Krill captain said "Avis help us all", showing he did not immediately know there is a Union-Kaylon alliance, which is very good because he has no reason to suspect that
I like the skydiving/paratrooping scene just because of how practical it would be compared to trying to land a shuttle in enemy territory
For the Moclan science facility dogfight, the quality of animation is supreme, for a TV show, and the music reminds me a lot of Star Wars' dogfights
Kelly saying to Teleya "you need a dermatologist" line was hilarious
Talla, a Xeleyan, crushing Teleya's head with a rifle? Yeah, she is 100% dead now, killed by crushed brain from Xeleyan strength (If she can't control her strength in sex with John, there's no way she's controlling it in combat with Teleya)
That explosion was nice. Despite not being big enough up close then being much larger from planet-view, the slight implosion beforehand, the timings, sound design all looked and sounded incredible
I love how Kaylon Prime mentioned the inefficiency of democratic ruling, and how Admiral Halsey explains the very real politics of how it's the best solution we have so far (today, not in the future but we can't predict the real future so), because it's exactly why we use democracy
I started watching this show as a Star Trek fan needing a 'Trek' comedy. It delivered and I was hooked and enjoyed the first two seasons. Then they revamped it for Hulu and it got serious. I've spent season 3 getting to know characters I already thought I knew and falling in love with a show that I originally only expected to get a few laughs at. I have seen almost every episode and series that Star Trek has put out and I would put this episode up there with the best of them. In fact this whole season makes me want to go back and watch old Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9) just to compare it. If this comment gets read by any Orville cast or crew, job well done. Thank you for entertaining me beyond expectations. I hope this isn't a farewell but an anticipation of another season of magic and goodness.
Didn't think an unfeeling artificial being's eulogy of another character I previously disliked would ever make me cry, but here we are.
It’s rare a show makes me tear up. It’s even more rare when a show manages to make me tear up twice. I hope The Orville gets a season 4 because this show is one of the best I’ve ever seen.
spectacular episode, those conversations between delegations. They must have spent the budget here
At first, I hated Ensign Burke for her bigotry. But as the story evolved, she grew and I felt attached to that character. Then this episode comes, she dies, no, she sacrifice herself to save the beings she hated so much. This destroyed my heart and I was almost crying during Isaac's speech.
What a stupid fucking plot. I could tolerate some earlier episodes but this seals the deal for me… I’m done with this terrible, pointless piece of shit show.
A really great episode. This is how sci-fi shows should be.
awesome episode. wraps up the season perfectly.
Amazing episode, though I'm really sad they killed off Charly, she was starting to grow on me.
Why the hell is the Orville's chief engineer piloting a fighter in a battle???
Also this episode is very clearly just Star Wars.
Enjoyable but derivative. Could have been plotted better.
Another episode that crammed a lot into it. New alliances, special weapon out of nowhere and a 180 on the Kaylon war.
A decent arc for Charly tbh but there was plenty of mehh about the episode.
A whole ass homage to star wars was a bit unnecessary, why does Malloy get so much screen attention? Did we really need to see him sing again? And why does the writing for Kelly always bring up her marriage/divorce from Ed/her cheating. The writers are obsessed! There are so many more interesting things they could be doing with this character. It's a decent dynamic that they're able to work together now but fucking hell leave it alone with the marriage stuff. Anyone would think Seth McFarlane wrote a Star Trek fantasy that ultimately all centres around him...
Perhaps one of the greatest bits of science fiction on television I have ever seen.
Damn that weapon was insane
Did Kelly get botox in her lips or something? Why she pushing it out like that lol
This is stupid, from the minute the Kaylon said they would find a weakness that should have been enough cause to eliminate them because that means peace is on a ticking time clock
Nice singing :clap_tone3:
Burke shouldn’t be speaking out of turn. What happened to chain of command? I notice its a running theme in this show lately. Dont get me wrong I’m all for sticking it to the Authority but if we speaking authenticity then she shouldn’t be making sly remarks when the Captain is on a call
Lol the Captain told you to help the ground and you ask another person for permission to switch weapon?
Nice long fight scene with Kelly and the Krill woman. I just going to call it “the fight to get Ed back” lol
“Get out if you can” NO SHIT Kelly
Way to kill off one of the best characters, i guess she could be annoying at times and was never going to let go that her friend got killed which seems to be more than a friend at least it was for a good sacrifice
Its still funny to me when everyone gets emotionally angry at the Kaylon when they cant comprehend it :joy:
Shout by drive95BlockedParent2022-07-29T05:51:54Z
I have not yet written a comment in response to a particular episode, yet here I am. The Orville Season 3 Episode 9: Domino was absolute magic. I texted a best friend, just before the conclusion, these words: "The Orville is out Star-Trekking Star Trek."
This episode was a glorious fulfillment of the innumerous emotions to which the show has brought us. We have so far, to name only a few, dealt with drama, conquest, and power struggle, only at the end to be given an indescribably beautiful revelation of the arc of this story.
Given, in my opinion, the first season of The Orville was supremely mediocre, I never once anticipated a future episode would draw me to tears... and...
This.
Did.
Please watch