Barbara and Bruce? Why? Makes no goddamn sense and completly changes Batmans motivations.
I was pleasantly surprised by this one. I know the decision to pair Batman and Batgirl is controversial, but Timm & Co. have previously planted the seeds for this sort of thing in Batman Beyond, so it didn't bother me the way it seems to have bothered many. I also appreciated that rather than just making Barbara a prop for the Joker, the film gave her her own story, with her own thematic tie to the traditional Killing Joke story, where she too has to face the abyss and decide whether to let it consume her. It wasn't perfect, but trafficked in many of the same themes and Tara Strong in particular did a great job at conveying the complexity of the character and her conflicting motivations.
The second half of the film, which follows the source material more closely, was tremendous. Featuring a bravura performance from Mark Hamill who has, to my mind, become the definitive Joker, the film does well at embracing Moore and Bolland's themes of Joker's nihilism contrasted with Batman's steadfastness even in the face of unspeakable horrors. The art, the score, the animation, and the atmosphere of the adaptation were superb. It managed to be unflinching without devolving into grimdark nonsense, and even showed a fair amount of discretion in execution. It's a worthy exploration of the themes of the original (which the film takes from dutifully), and a superb culmination of Timm, Hamill, Strong, and the rest of the DCAU team's work with these characters.
In the first half of the film I was very surprised to see the bad reviews on this film. But by the end of the film I could see why. I can't say much without spoiling anything, but the unnecessary playtime, highlighting characters that you don't really need to know about or if you did didn't connect with the whole Joker story. Regardless, I rated this film an 8, because of the very talented animation and (with the help of a R rated) helped the "adult" version of a Batman vs. Joker work out. I loved this film in the end, finally seeing the dark history of the Joker and how he became "crazy".
Well, this is a shame. This comic is one of the best of all time. Seriously, it is amazing. So you'd think that a animated movie adaptation from it would be great for sure.
And then you start the movie and it is about Batgirl going on a random, generic mission. Batgirl getting annoyed and angry with Batman. Batgirl banging Batma- wait... what? WHAT IS GOING ON? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMIC'S STORY.
Yea, they literally just tacked on some junk to make this at least 75min. Frankly, that first 30ish minutes in is worthless. I have no idea who wrote that and thought it matched the tone for the source material.
Then we do get into the direct adaptation. Now it is sticking very close to the comic, down to the same exact lines and frames. Part of me likes that, but the other part wonders why it is even needed. Why not just read the comic if it is going to stick directly to it? Well, whatever, it is great dialogue and a fantastic plot.
And then I go back to thinking it doesn't fit the comic well enough. In some scenes, the timing doesn't feel right at all. Some of the lines just don't come out like I feel the scene's tone is supposed to be. One big moment is the dramatic shooting. Gordon's reaction to that event does not seem nearly as emotional as it should be.
Finally, the closing scene starts of great. Mark Hamill, oh, I don't think I mentioned this yet. Mark Hamill is great as always. So Mark Hamill starts it off, and that leads to some combined laughing. His works, he knows how his character laughs. But Batman... his laugh seems really fake to me. That kind of ruins the impact of that finale.
Not as bad as the epilogue scene though, that made it worse.
So that's what happened to Barbara. Always wondered how she ended up in the chair. The ending with the Joker and Batman just having a laugh really caught me off guard. Brilliant.
The punchline is a little off, but overall this is an okay Batman flick with a surprisingly adult edge for an animated feature.
I don´t know the comics. Maybe that´s a good think because I enjoyed it.
I don't think too many comic book fans were looking for an animated adaptation of The Killing Joke and it works out about as good as it can considering how hard the material is to recreate. You can read the graphic novel quicker than you can finish the movie and its a way better ride. I don't think the Barbara Gordon intro story was that bad apart from the fact that it didn't need to be there and had no impact on the story that came after. Make sure you've read the comic first before you even consider this animated movie.
Well the first part is not too usefull, but the second part is very good. So this is not bad but I expected more.
Learning that Azarello had done the writing (I have a lot of confidence in him after his run on Hellblazer - not exactly my favorite run, but still pretty solid), and that Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill were reprising their roles as Batman and the Joker, I already knew I would likely be a good one. Still, I was afraid that they would fuck up the ending, which might be interpreted as being ambiguous in the comic by some. But the story in the beginning made it so it would work both ways, and still they left the ending the way it was in the comic.
I would have enjoyed it a lot more if I hadn't read the comic - this is the problem with the adaptation being faithful to the original material, but, overall, a decent effort.
Hence the rating - 8/10 "Great"
Not bad at all. Basically true to the novel. Mark Hamill is awesome as The Joker HAHAHAHHAHAHA!
This was just terrible. The story all over the place. The ending was such a joke (pun intended).
Batman fighting bad guys? Nope, batman and batgirl soap opera.
"Remember this: there's always madness"
Pretty good, the original text holds up... the added stuff..
Well the Barbara, and Bruce thing was better handled than I thought it'd be but the camera kinda skeeved me out at times, and not when it was trying too
A little short. While the first part was about Batman and Batgirl stopping a spoiled rich guy and his thugs. Joker was basically just shoved in the second half. Then we get a bunch of Joker flash backs where he was normal with a pregnant wife. Joker does some horrible things in current time. Batman wants revenge, Gordon says not kill Joker. Batman tries to befriend the Joker. The Joker tells Batman a joke, they both have a laugh. The End ? Yeah those are big spoilers but those are all reasons why this movie was disappointing and didn't live up to the hype. While some have had a problem with Batgirl getting with Batman as well. I found Batman giving in to a hot redhead on his lap kissing him more believable than him having a laugh with the Joker though.