I'm sorry, but what happened to these characters? Just dull. World building alone doesn't make a movie. Rewatch the first movie and give this a pass.
This movie starts off emotional and ends emotional and the ride in between is epic! Luckily I'm in the Netherlands so I could see it before and no actions here. This movie should be watched by all people no matter the color of their skin. Wakanda forever!
Ehh… far too much talking for an action movie. This could have been an hour shorter and it would have been better. Pretty disappointed that there was only one scene with black panther fighting. There was lots of good stuff too, but Marvel movies have felt a bit rudderless since the infinity war saga finished up.
[8.2/10] The death of Chadwick Boseman looms large over Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The film, and director Ryan Coogler, treat the loss with the gravity it deserves. The drumbeat of the need for ever-more franchise fare marches on unabated. Much of the time, though, you will find yourself forgetting that you are watching another crown jewel in the infinity gauntlet of Marvel megaproducer Kevin Feige, and feel like you’re watching a sober reflection on loss and the irregular patterns of grief and mourning.
There is great artistry in the way Coogler and company choose to use silence to give the death of King T’Challa, and by extension the man who plays him, the emotional space it needs. Creating that absence of sound at the bookends of the film make the moments when his family mourns him feel sacred, unsparing, and real when there’s none of the usual distractions to take your focus away from the sad sentiments of these moments. Wakanda Forever features a beautiful funerary tribute, rich with the sort of culture and detail that elevated the first Black Panther movie. But it’s these more stark moments, where simplicity, performance, and reflection take over that have the most impact.
The hardest task before Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was to say goodbye to its title character and star in a way that was appropriate to the real world and to the fictional one he once inhabited. Coogler and company not only thread that needle, they turn it into something moving, and organic to the story of the film.
The story does not try to simply replace Boseman or T’Challa. One of the sharpest choices Coogler and co-writer Joe Robert Cole make is to turn Wakanda Forever into more of an ensemble piece. T’Challa’s sister Shuri eventually claims the mantle, and she is the film’s main character. But rather than anchoring the film on her as Black Panther did T’Challa, there’s a greater balance and willingness to explore the impact of these events on those left in their wake.
Angela Bassett, who was underutilized in the prior film, is volcanic as Queen Ramonda in this one. The film takes the time to explore her status as a grieving mother called to lead her people, desperate to protect the remaining children in her care, and she repays the focus with a performance that is Shakespearean in its gravity, emotion, and intensity. Okoye, the head of the Dora Milaje elite protectors, is once again the film’s secret weapon, a vessel to explore the marks of duty and personal connection amid seismic change and shared loss. Nakia, T’Challa’s paramour, is the prodigal daughter of Wakanda, separating herself from her homeland and the finality of its loss, while getting involved in the issue du jour and protecting a hidden legacy. Each of these women command the film at various intervals, reflecting the death in the family in different ways, and channeling the story through different experiences.
The non-Wakandan additions to the proceedings fit a similar mold. The exception is Everett Ross, whose business with ex-wife Val and the dealings of the U.S. government play like narrative set dressing and setup for later films than anything essential to this one. Riri Williams, a.k.a Ironheart, feels a little shoehorned into the film at times too, but she, by contrast fits the thematic aims of Wakanda Forever.
She too is mourning a loss, her stepfather; she quickly becomes another child for Ramonda to defend, and as a tech-minded young woman, she has a natural accord with Shuri. The film finds a way to make her plot-relevant -- as the creator of a vibranium-detection machine that threatens to put the powerful substance into hands the Wakandans and their undersea counterparts don’t trust -- but she largely succeeds as another figure coping with the death of a loved one and the intersection of different worlds with different expectations and demands.
None fits that bill more so than Namor, the king of an undersea civilization called Talokan. Wakanda Forever smartly makes Talokan and its inhabitants a funhouse mirror counterpart to Wakanda. Both are rich, capable communities that hide away their talents and resources from the rest of the world. Both benefited from a localized cache of vibranium, whose properties in the soul created plants that allow the citizens to do amazing things and pose a threat, if they choose to, to anyone who would oppose them. But the undersea setting of Talokan, their animosity rather than reclusiveness toward the surface world, and the distinct cultural heritage makes them different.
Coogler and company do the same stellar job for Talokan that they did for T’Challa’s homeland. One of the joys of the original Black Panther film was simply seeing Wakanda itself, looking at the beautifully-realized world with distinctive cultural touches mixed with futuristic flair that cultivated a real sense of place. The same is true for Talokan, only the production and design teams imbue it with a Mesoamerican flair, imagining the culture that might have thrived, with a supernatural twist, in the absence of colonial oppression. The attention to detail helps the audience appreciate both communities, alike in dignity, recognizing their equal stature and prowess, while they’re dancing on the edge of being allies or enemies.
Such is the provenance of Namor, himself a mirror image of Shuri. He, like all the major figures, lost someone close to him -- his mother. He too is royalty in a unique and closed-off kingdom, suddenly finding itself having to confront incursions and demands from the outside world. His pointy ears and winged feet from the comics scan as a little silly in the more grounded tone of the MCU, but reimagination of indigenous dress allows him the benefits of so much of the great costuming in the film -- helping to make the character more memorable and give them an added presence through aesthetics alone.
Namor represents the dark path that Shuri might walk down. The question at the heart of Wakanda Forever is “How do you respond when someone you love is lost forever?” Having lived for centuries, Namor has watched so many he considers family die, and it has hardened him. It makes him want vengeance, bloodshed, a pound of flesh to fill the hole in his heart where his mother once rested. He wants to wreak havoc upon those who inherited the largesse of the people who colonized and oppressed his ancestors, to strike at them before they impinge on his people’s peace and tranquility.
Shuri has the same anger, the same desire to make someone pay for having lost her brother, for taking away the tools that might have allowed him to save her. She is tempted to go to war against the rest of the world hand-in-hand, especially when Namor shows her around Talokan and explains his people’s achievements and their forebears’ suffering in terms that resonate. But she ultimately refuses, valuing the life of Riri as an innocent bystander, a refusal that results in an attack from the sea god himself and the death of her mother. In one heartbreaking death and act of selflessness from Ramonda, Shuri is in charge, and has an enemy who has taken someone important from her with a plan to exact revenge upon those who’ve done him wrong.
In that, Shuri has her own Killmonger, which makes it a deft choice to return him as the vision Shuri sees after imbibing the artificial heart-shaped herb. She is tempted to let the anger in her heart bear out after so many painful parting of souls. Like almost everyone in Wakanda Forever she is still smarting from all that has been taken from her in so short a time. And as she stands over her foe in single combat, having assumed the storied mantle of the Black Panther to protect her people, the images of those thefts, those hearts ripped away from hers, she seeks to avenge those lost and quiet the tempest with metal and blood.
And yet, at the moment of truth, she sees the concordance shared by her people and his, the way their civilizations are built with the same richness, the same blessings, the same joys. She chooses to honor the legacy of her mother and brother, whose nobility spurred them to protect those who need it and show mercy in lieu of vengeance. She spurs Namor to yield, vows to defend him and his people, and finds peace and shared community in lieu of conflict and opposition between the two peoples.
With that, she heals. She allows herself to confront those losses as something to be felt, not a thing that can be solved or fixed. She joins in the shared strength of her brothers and sisters, the support of her community. She lets go of hate and begins working toward the type of future they would want to see, one founded on mutual trust and connection, knowing that their legacy will live on, even if they do not.
It takes a lot of movie to reach that landing spot. There’s a ton going on here. With an extended runtime, Coogler does not waste it on the inessential (give or take the “Director Fontaine wants to strike” material). While Shuri’s arc takes center stage, she, Ramonda, Okoye, Nakia, Riri, and even tertiary characters like M’Baku and Ross carry the weight of T’Challa’s death and what it means for Wakanda. He extends these lived-in corners of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, unveiling another civilization as powerful and fully-realized as the stealthy African nation. The latticework of the film’s plot and world-building and themes is intricate, heavy, and not always clear. But it’s all worthwhile, building to a greater whole even in the parts that seem a touch overloaded.
I liked the original Black Panther film. Boseman’s performance anchored the film’s central dilemma and humanized the role. The layer of detail to the Afrofuturistic world dreamed up and exacting but communal themes resonated. But it still fit into the superhero movie formula, with appropriate twists and touches to make it Coogler’s own, but hitting the expected sorts of beats the traditional versions of these films must.
Wakanda Forever is different, and if I may be so bold, better. Yes, the final reel includes a grand, climactic buffet of CGI spectacle and fisticuffs, and this is still centered on the ascendance of a new superhero. But in its aims and its counts, it deviates from those formulas.
The story is more diffuse, more personal, more individual. Its ensemble focus is unique. Its reflections on the common fears but stronger common ground between oppressed peoples is novel and piercing. While not as tight as its predecessor, what the film lacks in precession, it makes up for in the sheer volume of heartfelt, mournful, genuine material it includes in a tale built on notions of processing loss. To see a movie under this banner given the freedom to craft a unique work of mourning and catharsis, syncopated in its rhythms and raw in its emotions, is a genuine marvel.
What a waste of time. Two hours and forty two minutes? Were they too lazy to edit this? I mean, it felt like Wakanda was going, Forever, literally. :rofl:
The best part of this movie were the first scenes farewelling Chadwick Boseman. That was pure class. It's all downhill from there.
The worst MCU movie, you find yourself waiting for a main character that never arrives.
About on par with the last couple years of Marvel content, which is to say, serviceable, but unspectacular.
My biggest problem with the film were the antagonists, who were not only underdeveloped, but also a bit too goofy for my liking. I just can't take winged ankles seriously. The blue skinned Aztec people felt similarly odd, and with Avatar: The Way of Water just around the corner, a civilization of water focused blue folks doesn't even land as original. Additionally, the connection between Wakanda and this other vibranium based civilization doesn't really make sense. Why did the same flower have such dramatically different effects for the two groups and Namor himself? That question is posed by two of the characters at one point, but the movie never bothers to provide a satisfying answer. I also thought the tactics of the antagonists were questionable. Given everything we had already heard from Namor, his mid-movie attack on Wakanda felt like convenient plotting. Such a successful attack and the assassination of the queen feels like it wouldn't culminate in a simple withdrawal and ultimatum.
While the antagonists weren't my favorite, I did generally enjoy all of our heroes. Shuri's emotional arc was quite strong, and the use of Michael B. Jordan's Killmonger was an excellent way to punctuate it. That said, Marvel's reputation for avoiding darker turns deflated the arc somewhat, as I was quite confident that things wouldn't go in the more extreme direction that was hinted at (although I kind of wish they had, as the set-up was solid).
Getting into some smaller thoughts/critiques, I thought the action was a mixed bag, with some of the smaller scale fights being well choreographed and weighty, where as the bigger moments and set pieces feeling a bit too CGI-packed and cheesy (the aforementioned ankle wings definitely didn't help). Also, it may have just been my theater, but I found that certain scenes felt too dark, to the point that I was straining to make out details (e.g. during the first attack at the vibranium drill site in the ocean).
As one final positive note, the Marvel logo tribute to Chadwick Boseman was a touching gesture. His gravitas/presence was definitely missed.
Utterly boring. I disliked Aquaman but at least Mamoa has some charisma, this just had more bland underwater sequences with Namor being dull, boring and lifeless. And the rest of the movie was mostly people just talking and being miserable
Really did not enjoy this one. The overly long run time certainly didn't help things. I thought the movie was boring, the action was subpar, and I didn't care for almost all of the characters or the main plot.
what a pile of racist fascist nazi black woke ideology! Basically the movie is about "all races are good except for the white one"!
Absolutely disgusting! Hitler wouldn't have dreamed of being so racist.
Quite enjoyed Avatar: The Way of Water
After a questionnable year for Marvel we finally get something good! It's exactly what I wanted from a Black Panther sequel. As good as they could have done it with what they were left with and no Chadwick Boseman. I think it's actually an upgrade from the first such a better story dealing with grief and loss. Those themes were done greatly and you can feel the emotional impact on the characters. The story is engaging to the point where Chadwick Boseman's absence wasn't as strongly felt. There are of course moments where he's missed but the transition and execution was done right so I wasn't missing him as much.
The acting was good all around but the standout is Angela Bassett who gives her heart and soul into an incredibly powerful emotional performance. The CGI has it's flaws at times but they're minimal and didn't bother me. The action is fantastic I was on the edge of my seat most of the time.
The world building was truly excellent. Namor is a really cool and badass villain and so layered he isn't just black and white. His civilization underwater loved it and the whole adventure of discovering them and how they're brought in was a treat.
Some characters felt unnecessary like the new girl, not a fan of her and her suit looked cartoonish. The whole politics subplot should of been cut out it brings nothing to the stoty. I was satisfied by pretty much every characters arcs but it needed way more Okoye and M'Baku. Also Okoye was absolutely right that blue suit looks like shit honestly it felt like Power Rangers when it was on-screen.
Loved the ending and mid-credits, so emotional. Overall a great time at the theater watch it in IMAX if you can!
It's emotional and heartbreaking. Chadwick lives on as T'Challa. The silent Marvel intro was a great way to start. The beach scene in the end broke my heart. Phase Four wasn't so good, but it ends in a high note. Angela Basset is a true star and deserves all the spotlights in the world.
The movie was 2 hours too long. Didn’t need half the BS in the movie. Very weak writing. It seemed like they hired writers from The CW network.
Namor was so hot omg
Just off the bat, I want to say I thought the original film was....not great. The character worked extremely well in Civil War, but the original Black Panther had too many problems to get into (mostly involving an overused plot, terrible CGI and some very questionable acting choices). THIS movie however, I very much enjoyed. Not to say there weren't problems, because there sure were, but I thought as a whole, I can get behind this installation.
Before anything, the acting was phenomenal. Angela Basset and Letitia Wright FAR EXCEEDED what I expected for their roles (with good reason) and honestly, it's worth the price of admission and your time just to watch them on screen. Tenoch Huerta, Danai Gurira and, as always, Lupita Nyong'o were excellent as well, giving so much life to their characters beyond the script.
The cinematography was inspired and beautiful. The choices Coogler makes is much more elegant than the first film, and you can tell he was much more meticulous about his decisions in this one, which made for a really exciting experience. The score also really made the scenes come alive and was absolutely perfect (more than I can say for the random pop songs that show up at points in the film and completely took me out).
Not to say there aren't criticisms. The pacing was off at certain times. We spent too much time with certain characters or in certain locations when it really doesn't pay off much later on. There were a few scenes that could have been completely cut and it wouldn't have changed a thing. While I'm assuming these were there to tie the MCU together, it really didn't have much of an impact on the plot at all. And finally, not everyone is going to agree here, but there was a lot of emotional manipulation going on at certain times. There are a few that I found respectful and quite moving...but then there were some that were completely just there to make you break down and felt a bit exploitative, just to make the audience feel like they loved the film.
I did very much enjoy the film. I love a film that isn't just action scene after action scene. I'm here to see the story develop, not just a bunch of things explode and vehicles dancing on planes. And this film delivered a lot of character development and well-timed action scenes when necessary. Besides the fact that the villains here all look like the Na'vi, which was a bit tacky, I loved them. I thought they were a perfect threat for an unstoppable well-armed country such as Wakanda - and the backstory of Namor and his people worked so incredibly well.
I love when the MCU does comedy (and don't understand the new aversion to a comedic film), but I also love when they hit it out of the park with the drama and this film did that so well, besides the few pacing issues I discussed earlier. This was a good film and I enjoyed it so much better than the first. A great ending for Phase 4 of the MCU.
Reminded me a lot of Iron Man 2. Some really great characters, but it's bogged down and lacks focus because of all the peripheral Marvel stuff.
The story line was okay, and isn't vital to the MCU at this point, but as with a lot of movies this day, I feel a lot of stuff was in there just for longer movie, and there were quite a few stories that I feel didn't really get wrapped up. It was definitely a movie full of emotions and heritage, but not something I'd call rave worthy this round. I will, however, commend the way that Marvel honoured Chadwick in this movie. They dealt with it well, upfront.
Also, only a mid credit scene. No point waiting until the end for a black screen.
I might just be burnt out on superhero films... This was a slog to get through. It seems like half the movie was unnecessary and bolted on for...reasons? There's no reason this needed to be almost 3 hours with the very basic plot we follow. There a multiple characters who are just...here. And the action was fine but really nothing amazing. I really hate how bored and disinterested I was through a lot of this film...
When we see past the homage to Chadwick Boseman, we realize that this was the only think strumming on our heart strings. This movie is flawed beyond measure and it is really not that good.
The setup was interesting, but then this movie started to get bogged down by action and the usual revenge vs doing the right thing-stuff. And let's face it: They could have easily cut Riri (some kind of female Tony Stark, Peter Parker prodigal), Ross and that creepy ex-wife of his, and not have had to change the movie one bit. And that AI? Why does Shuri all of a sudden need an AI? An AI which is infinitely less developed than Jarvis or Friday, mind you?
I wonder if anyone who swallows that blue flower juice develops powers akin to the Black Panther - if so, why don't they give that juice to the Dora? And who chose Shuri to drink it in the first place? Just because she's T'Challa's sister? Not sure but I saw quite a few women more worthy of the title Black Panther even without being juiced up, in this movie (Ramonda, Nakia, Okoye...).
And while I liked the mid-credits scene... I have to admit I hate those cop-outs: the hero dies, but doesn't really because he lives on in his love-child. It's too much of a cliché. Albeit in this case, it's born out of necessity due to Boseman's passing, not because the writers chose to let their hero die (but not die). That's why I was actually moved by this scene despite the cliché.
But the thing that still sticks with me is the Wakandan arrogance. I mean they were lucky the meteor landed in their territory in the first place... and they choose to keep it secret, keep themselves hidden... while all around them their neighbours fall to "white conquerors"... Not sure, but I don't think they have much of a leg to stand on looking down upon said white conquerors. Not sure that standing by and doing nothing when they could interfere is so much better. And still keeping the vibranium for themselves out of fear that others could build weapons with it? Ahem... don't they have vibranium-based weapons themselves? Again, not much of a leg to stand on.
Anyway, let's see what happens next with Shuri as Black Panther, M'Baku presumable king, Namor biding his time... and a possible future king T'Challa growing up in secret. I can only hope the result will be better than this movie.
Another marvel plot storyline with just just different race. This is what generalized audience catering causes. Some good storytelling require different tones. You can't just keep shit PG13.
How could just all the fight scenes be spearing,sword stabbing, maiming, flinging each other and Still No BLOOD!!!!. Ridiculous!!
Major issues with this movie for me personally are:
1. Revenge seems to be viewed as an alien thing (in marvel generally) but it affects this movie so much it makes pointless!. The premise is intriguing at first but is butchered poorly. How does killing a monarch just seems to be brushed off especially by the daughter, mind I say, that she lost all of her family members.
2. Characters giving the vibe "I'll kill them all" but you know it's bullshit and that at the end they'll be like "I'm better, violence is not the answer or some bs or something along the line,"she/he wouldn't want me doing that". At this point, it's getting tiring. ( I thought we'd left that for Mr America)
3. The unreasonable tactics of Namor regarding the surface. How does one that millions years old plan egregiously about war strategies. You'd assume he's got his shit together but no he's like you join or I'm attacking you!?!
4. MCs ( all of MCU) mainly villains are watered down and their POV is made pointless just to make the heroes cool and pacifist. Come on!!!! you don't think someone wouldn't hesitate killing someone who brutally murdered your mother cause he can.
5. Portending disaster but just delivering pep talk at the end. In this case, using killmonger just Ms no combats pat the supposed villain on the back at the end.
This point is about MCU generally --- I get it you want to keep characters for future projects but come on stop these repetitive, it makes the plots pointless. I know character building isn't your thing Marvel at least try on some level.
Good things that earned the 5 stars from me are;
Chadwick Boseman tribute and the incorporation of the actors grief for their fellow colleague.
Too long, too boring, too silly.
Much like the first black panther movie, it was meh not that great.
What I don't get, is why some people claimed racism over avatar using blue people who were acting like African tribes. But making Latin Americans blue and doing the same thing, isn't racist.
Caught between being a mediation on grief and being the latest cog in the MCU machine, enough of Coogler's style and voice comes through to make it a good time. Namor was a real highlight. I left this thinking that the only way forward for the Black Panther franchise is M'Baku, not Shuri. I'd say no offense to Wright, but she's an anti vaxxer so full offense, she does not have the charisma and magnetism to center, ground, and solidify an ensemble cast. She was fine as comic relief in the first film, but she never rises above fine here and you can clearly see her stretch and strain to reach the dramatic heights required of her. Winston Duke though? Now that's a star. There's a leading man. Sorry this just became a Winston Duke love letter but he deserves it.
Is it Wakands Vs. Avatar?
So let me start by saying I like marvel films, I liked the first black panther but didn't feel it was as good a film as credit was given. Some great characters like killmonger but not a patch on Thor Ragnarok so I can't say I was desperate for this one. Regardless of that I was keen to see this after the initial reviews but having now sat through it I honestly can't find anything about the film which makes it half decent. It's a whole lot of nothing story based around tributes (which I have no problem with) and poor matrix style slow motion action sequences which are over done and board line cheap. The film falls into the recent trend of being a whole lot of film about nothing, I'm personally calling this phase the Snap! Hoping for more with Ant-man as Marvel has started to become the emperors clothes.
Utter rubbish from stay to finish, really thought this was the beginning of the end for Marvel
You know what's worse than a movie with a stupid made up language that forces you to constantly read the subtitles? A movie with two of them! Way to go, Marvel. We went from "everybody, in every planet, happens to speak in English", to no-fricking-body does.
Also, pretty dumb story even by Marvel standards. And for the first time in a MCU movie, painfully boring. So...
Marvel going downhill that's for sure
So for what reason is this nominated for an Oscar except Boseman and its 97% non-white cast? Because this movie is bad even compared with just other movies in the MCU universe. Boring story that goes on for an hour to long.
If this wins, the Oscar's as a measurement for good film making is dead.
This was one the the worst movies I have ever seen. So many chaotic cuts, stupid plot, terrible cgi, poor dialogues, music out ot place... I cannot find any entertaining aspect in this movie. I am glad that I didnt watch it in cimena, but waited for D+,
I really don't understand why there are so many people who, watching the sequel to a film, always expect it to be episode 2. This film is a tribute to pride, to the millennial history of African and South American peoples, harassed, plundered and exploited for centuries by Europeans and North Americans. An alliance for a more just world. This is it.
The CGI is next level. There's times you forget that so throughout the movie and it's really mind blowing. As far as the movie goes, the movie follows the prequels plot layout pretty close. Making for a slight "copy and paste" feel. Overall, it's an ok movie. Visually fun to watch.
NOT A MUST SEE BUT WELL WORTH THE WATCH
Let me start by saying this. It is clear that this film faced many challenges, including the loss of Chadwick Boseman, who brought so much depth and nuance to the role of T'challa. Despite this, the film attempted to continue the story of Wakanda and introduce new elements to the franchise, including the Atlantians. Unfortunately, the depiction of this new civilization was lackluster and lacked the unique cultural and historical elements that could have made them a compelling addition to the film. The costumes were also a disappointment, with designs that were reminiscent of low budget productions and failed to capture the vibrant and imaginative world of Wakanda.
The soundtrack throughout the movie was overpowering and detracted from the film's overall atmosphere. It seemed more suited to a trailer than to a blockbuster film, and it failed to add depth or emotional nuance to the story. The plot was unsatisfying, with a lack of coherence and focus, and the acting was subpar, with performances that felt artificial and lacked the conviction necessary to bring the story to life.
The film attempted to handle multiple themes, including the mourning of T'challa, the death of Chadwick Boseman, and the introduction of new characters, but ultimately it failed to execute any of these elements well. The mourning of T'challa seemed fake and lacked the emotional depth necessary to pay homage to the late actor and character. The death of Chadwick Boseman was handled poorly, and the introduction of new characters was boring and failed to capture the audience's imagination.
In conclusion, "Black Panther 2" is a disappointment that fails to live up to the legacy of the original film and Chadwick Boseman. Despite its best efforts, the film was overloaded with too many themes and failed to execute any of them well. The soundtrack, costumes, and acting were all subpar, and the plot was unsatisfying. For these reasons, I would not recommend this film to fans of the original or to anyone looking for a compelling and well-crafted cinematic experience.
Felt a lot more like a tribute than a marvel movie which is fine but you could definitely tell
First off the good stuff:
- Everything Namor and the Queen
- Riri was hilarious and it was a fine debut overall for her
- The mid-credit scene was fitting and made total sense. Here’s to a new T’Challa.
Bad stuff:
- I didn’t buy it for a second Shuri as BP, her performance were stiff as hell and pale in comparision to basically everyone else in the movie. When she shouted and basically forced M’Baku to go to war was so cringe I didnt feel an ounce of charisma there. Bad bad choice making her the main character, I understand it made sense narratively on paper but the performance really left much to be desired. The difference is clear when you contrast that with Killmonger’s short appearance which was mesmerizing to watch.
- And I thought the PS2-esque BP costume in the first movie was bad, Shuri’s suit gave that one a run for its money in the bad CGI department. The other suits didn’t fare any better either.
- Please tell me you didn’t kill off Queen Ramonda just to be a plot device to give Shuri the reign, that was cheap as hell.
- What’s with the lighting in this movie? Many scenes were so dark I could barely see anything.
Probably a top 4 MCU for me in Phase 4, behind NWH, Shang-chi and DS2.
After all these years… RIHANNA IS BACK!!! :heart_eyes:
Heart Ache and Heart Break. Surreal acting, punchy action, witty jokes, and mind blowing cgi. I didn't think they could make a number 2 not a disappointment to number 1 but they did.
the movie wasn't annoying ,it just was meh. the war between wakanda and namor's people was... stupid ,but every war is stupid so idk. the movie was like that : " when two fight, the third wins"
the tribute for T'Challa was ok,but i wasn't feeling bad for the character. i was feeling bad for the actor , because he played the character the best as he could
The Wakanda Movies are the Jar Jar Binks of the Marvel Universe.
Marvel movies are in a big downwards spiral. I got disappointed again.
Bit of a weird movie to introduce Atlantis
This was too long... They could've made it shorter and Wakanda stronger. but also Chadwick Boseman r.i.p.
What a remarkable insignificant movie. I'll not waste time writing a long review, it's not worth it.
inferior and watered-down version of the original black panther. can't recommend it.
OMG !! It'd have been better not do this 2nd part. Horrible movie, I managed to watch it through the end, but it is really bad.
I Don’t even know how I colud finish it, what a waste of time
Boooooring, what a shit movie. Two hours too long... But logical with this lousy script, easily worst MCU movie so far. And now the woke diversity should not count? Pathetic, hypocrite and racist. Hope this stupid misery will end soon in Hollywood.
Weak sauce. Too long for no particular reason. Too many "colonialist" jokes, the expected LGBTQ characters, and the all black/female good protagonists,. This reverse racism/gender bias is no better than the original. You got to expect that from most Netflix/Disney productions lately.
Watchable but not recommended..
They overdid it with the female heroes in this one for my taste
Terrible acting, the plot was nonsense, the dialogue was cringe, and the movie was way too long.
I did not like the movie. Plot was so generic,. At the end, like what was the point of the antagonist. Character arc was generic and weak.
Acting was weak.
Visuals were ok, but on lazy side.
Styling was bad (from hair, to wardrobe e.g the supersized ugly LV sunglasses. Was it product placement?)
It was a nice eulogy for Chadwick Boseman, but the movie was way too long (2 h 40 min). They could have cut out a whole hour. Nevertheless, this part is better than the predecessor
What a waste of time…
I love Marvel movies and the MCU but my review of this movie is just three letters…MEH.
I truly appreciated the tributes to Chadwick, and the fight scenes were typically Marvel. But other than that, it was stupid.
Also really not a fan of the new Iron Man’s suit.
This just felt like a (poorly done) filler movie with the sole purpose of just introducing new characters.
40 minutes and bored like hell.
it was a nice tribute to Chadwick Boseman. Very classy.
Namor's character felt a bit odd, but it was well cast and well acted.
Shuri as the Panther didn't quite feel like the same level as T'Challa. I get that she's new at this, but I thought that she'd be more durable. Particularly while wearing the suit.
I really wish that the AI was in the previous shows like Jarvis was. And that he had more personality, like Jarvis and Friday.
It had it’s moments… not that much, but some.
While Namor was cool, the „new Black Panther“ disappointed.
Tbh, I don’t really know where to put that movie…
Story of an underwhelming conflict between two nations. Not as mystical or culturally significant as expected. Angela Bassett's performance dominated by far.
It was ok. They could have easily cut 30-45 minutes out of this film and still been good. This is also a Black Panther movie but the title character doesn't even show up until the last 15 minutes of the film.
Another extremely mid movie from marvel. While I appreciate the send off for Chadwick, you can tell the entire movie was written for his character and not his sister. Her entire character does a 180 for no reason. The movie then proceeds to become a boring snorefest with zero progressive or constructive writing for any of the main cast.
The MCU has become a directionless nightmare since the end of the Infinity Saga, the proof is in the pudding since Thor: Love and Thunder.
i am a huge Marvel's fan ... and this movie is simply terrible...
It’s an emotional, beautiful and well made goodbye to Boseman. Storywise you won’t really miss anything going forward that you couldn’t quickly pick up. Both myself and my teen son gave it 7/10. There’s only one end credit scene.
Slow, plodding and overfluffed for time. Could easily have been an okay 90 minute movie, but instead was a painstaking 2H47 minute slog. Action sequences were not adequate as a payoff and the themes and underlying messages were convoluted and all over the map in the wrong way. Couldn't sit through the whole movie, didn't miss anyhting significant when I took a break, and STILL found enough time again to get bored. Cannot possibly recommend.
IT'S A SAD DARK DAY IN
THE MCU WITH THE LOSS OF CHADWICK BOSEMAN
HE WAS THE TRUE KING OF THE MCU AND A TRUE WARRIOR JUST HOW HE WAS IN LIFE. WITH GREAT SADNESS AND A HEAVY HEART
I SAY WE ARE AN AVENGER DOWN. THANK-YOU FOR BRINGING
THE BLACK PANTHER
TO LIFE IN THE MCU
LIKE ONLY YOU COULD.
IT WAS AN HONOUR SIR
YOU INSPIRED THE WORLD.
KING T'CHALLA
REST IN POWER
WAKANDA FOREVER
Starts very well, the way they handle the death of Boseman is very tastefully done (so many well executed emotional beats) and I like the new conflict that they set up, which is a little more grey and intelligent than the usual blockbuster, like the first movie. The new villain is an interesting character, and I quite liked the creativity that went into the design of his powers and world, but for the love of god, never show me those goofy wing boots again. From the second act onwards, the movie starts to get bogged down by the Marvel machine, i.e. the movie slips out of Coogler’s hands. It’s unfortunately forced to function as a backdoor pilot for Disney + shows and used to drive the corporate machine forward, instead of focussing on the development of its own premise and character arcs. The way it rushes through the arcs of Okoye, Shuri and Namor leaves a lot to be desired. Meanwhile, cutting/writing out Riri, Martin Freeman and Julia Louis Dreyfus would improve the overall cohesion and pacing a lot. What doesn’t help either is that the action and visual effects get increasingly worse and worse as the movie goes on, to the point where we again have an ugly third act on our hands, which includes some of the most hideous looking costumes the MCU has ever put out. Moreover, the soundtrack is kinda bland this time around. It’s not like Kendrick et al. were putting out their best material for the first film, but the music here is just so vanilla and forgettable. Finally, I’m not enitrely sure what the script is trying to communicate on a deeper level, besides being a general statement in favour of diplomacy. If it’s meant to be just that, I don’t think this is anywhere as bold as the first movie. Not that it needs that in order to be good, but it’s another layer stripped away from what made the first movie special. What saves the film ultimately is a lot of its craft: the directing, worldbuilding, acting, score, cinematography, costume and set design (underwater world looked great, much better than Aquaman IMO) are all very well handled and stand out in the blockbuster field. It has those strong foundations in place that make it hard to produce a flat out bad Black Panther film, but man does this movie also show that Marvel is its own worst enemy at this point.
5.5/10
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No diversity whatsoever. I thought we were better than this.
Too long, I would have cut many parts making it a 1h45m film, 2 hours maximum. The antagonist is the only thing that is minimally characterized, explaining why he acts the way he does. Shitty ending, usual Marvel happily ever after. Anyway, it's not bad, but not good either; it's watchable, nothing more
5/10
A more appropriate title for this movie: Black Panther Wokeness Forever
Worst Marvel movie to date.... Filled to the brim with leftist ideologi and disgusting hate for everything non-woke. Only good thing is the amazing Angela Basset.
This movie is very racist imo but I guess that's ok bc this is diversity or whatever? So when the Mexican/Central American fellow who breaches the barriers by passing through the river is overtly racist. What is a racial slur for for a Central American person crossing into the US illegally? They usually get wet crossing the river before getting to the border. You get why it is pretty raciest to have a Central American breech Wakanda dripping wet rising from the water. And how did they defeat him? They dried him off. Then the ending scene is showing his back singed, with water evaporating off him. Very racist imo.
Now, you have colleges showing the movie using segregation. They have asked white people not to attend....so I guess one race watching is some how diversity. But that's not racist either. This is the kind of "diversity" Hollywood wants.
Just more of we wuz kangz n shieet garbage. Now with the addition of flying mexikangz now. Soy fueled idiots will still consoom product.
They made a sequel to Black Panther ??
Marvel has made an effort to adapt its next story to the unfortunate loss of actor Chadwick Boseman, to whom a heartfelt tribute is also made in the film, which is to be welcomed. But, unfortunately, it is not at all solid and, although the intention is good in the inclusion of the new member of the Marvel multiverse, the final result is a mixture of lime and sand that does not end up convincing.
The whole backstory of Talokan and its inhabitants is a delight to look at, and an excellent way to introduce a new setting. However, the actor Tenoch Huerta does not measure up, either acting or physically (one would expect the character he plays to be a physical and intellectual prodigy, but he is neither). The scales of power are also inadequately established.
Technically, too, there is a drop in quality. The new Wakandan trump card is a B-movie horror, and some scenes are crude and poorly done. And the soundtrack is not particularly striking.
Idea Factory diehards will enjoy it, but those who write Marvel in smaller letters will suffer from an overlong running time and a sluggish mid-film narrative that loses most of the interest.
All I Can Say Is I Want To Watch It Again - Black Panther Wakanda Forever Did Justice To the Original Black Panther - The Story Was Damn Good With Action That Fit The Story Of Wakanda & The Marvel Universe - Simply Put They Did Right By King Tchalla Aka Chadwick Boseman & I Was Happy To See The Next Wakadan Take up The Mantle Of The Black Panther - I Can't Wait To See What Comes Next
I Will Watch Again For Sure - And Only One Post Credit Scene
Some really thoughtful moments in memorial of Chadwick but outside of that just kind of long and boring
This movie shouldn't have been made without Chad. That Shuri girl can't act to be in a leading role, and she's too skinny to be believable as the black panther. Also the story was kinda stupid.
There's a mid credit scene (prior to the white text on black scrolling). Post-credits is simply "Black Panther will return" text. No scene.
It's fine, it's not the roll that they say in some places, nor the wonder that they say in others, that perhaps instead of lasting almost 3 hours it could be shorter, yes. 1 post-credits scene
Honestly way better than I expected. The best of most recent Marvel's imo
I absolutely loved the way the handled Chadwick's passing. The first few minutes of the movie were very emotional, especially for someone like me that has an immense love for the MCU as a whole. Angela Bassett killed her role, especially in the beginning at the UN. Such an awesome scene! The amount of times I wanted her to say 'fuck around and find out'....man. M'Baku's role in this movie compared to the last was great; like a big brother figure. He's such a perfect actor for the role too.
To be clear, I thoroughly loved this movie. It's in the top 8-10 MCU movies for me.
What didn't work for me:
-Namor's little ankle wings. Giving a character the ability to fly with no real explanation (i.e. Superman, Ebony Maw, Dr Strange) I can deal with. But, Namor's little tiny wings just can't produce the lift needed, especially when you see him moving super fast and with a lot of agility. I don't know why this one bothered me so much.. but it did.
-Riri's suit for the final fight. It just looked too cheesy.. like DC tv show suit. It was like a Great Value miniature Gundam Wing.
It's not as if these ruined the movie for me or anything of the sort. Just a slight suspension of my immersion during a few scenes.
After "Love and Thunder" and "She-Hulk" a project in the MCU that takes itself seriously was overdue. Luckily, "Wakanda Forever" delivers in this regard. But that doesn't mean the humor has been reduced to a bare minimum. There are still numerous MCU-typical jokes. But at the same time, there is much more time for emotions, which I greatly appreciated.
Following the untimely death of Chadwick Boseman, director Ryan Coogler faced the challenge of continuing the "Black Panther" story without its star. Even if the film's beginning is a little clunky, I believe he has managed to strike a balance between celebrating Boseman and the new focus on the future. As in the first film, the female characters are particularly strong. Letitia Wright, Danai Gurira, Angela Bassett, and Lupita Nyong'o all have their moments. Newcomer Dominique Thorne also makes a strong first impression. The male actors have smaller roles, although Tenoch Huerta is solid as the antagonist Namor. Still, the mixture of The Little Mermaid, Tinkerbell, and Superman is really odd. He doesn't even come close to Killmonger.
One of the most appealing aspects of "Black Panther" is and will always be Wakanda. Coogler manages to present a fascinating world with a distinct culture, particularly in the first half of the film. The world-building is very effective. Wakanda is vibrantly colored, and Ludwig Göransson's score, once again, enhances this. With Wakanda, Coogler creates a one-of-a-kind atmosphere. For the kingdom of Talocan, however, this does not work so well.
I wasn't a huge fan of the action in this movie. Those sequences are often uninspired. And the CGI for the underwater scenes was simply awful. This is especially evident when compared to the upcoming Avatar sequel. Nonetheless, some scenes were powerful, although the last act was once again too formulaic.
Overall, I enjoyed the story. The lengthy run time (162 minutes) is noticeable at times. However, the film never fails to captivate the audience. But don't expect any big surprises (except maybe one). "Wakanda Forever" is still a typical Marvel movie, and they work according to a certain formula. If you suffer from superhero fatigue, then this Marvel project is no cure for you either. The average MCU fan, on the other hand, will have a good time. Even though I didn't like the mid-credit scene, I left the theater with a positive feeling.
A friend of mine gave an 8. I give a 7 because the fights were too weak. You should have made this Lady Panther fight harder.
Great tribute to Mister Boseman :heart:
Nice, finally another good MCU movie! I'm a huge Marvel fan but for me the MCU collapsed after Endgame and I didn't really like the previous three MCU movies (rated all of them 6/10... :o). I had high expectations for this movie, as I really loved the first Black Panther movie, but I was also really skeptic (due to the previous three MCU movies).
Anyway, I always loved Shuri - both as a character and the actress. When Chadwick Boseman died (RIP, may he be gone but not forgotten and may death not be final) I therefore immediately hoped that Shuri will fill his role and become the next Black Panther. It seemed like a likely option until Letitia Wright almost got herself cancelled (that was so unnecessary... :o I think I get why but she should've thought more about it and should've done some research before spreading misinformation - I guess she also lacked a good team and wasn't surrounded by the best people). Anyway, I hope that incident is resolved by now and that she can keep playing a major role in Black Panther!
Rating this movie is quite difficult for me... I really loved the first half (10/10) but then I got annoyed by the unnecessary war (I get why but it's so frustrating!) and it sucked that Shuri got so broken that she sought vengeance! I'd rate this between 8.5 and 9.5 out of 10.
For a number of reasons, Letitia Wright was an incredibly poor choice to step into the role of the Black Panther. Both Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira were much more deserving. In fact, I don't think that they even needed to name a successor in this film, but they did, and they chose poorly.
It's impressive how this was a 162 minutes long movie, but it didn't felt tiring to me. The combat scenes are really beautiful, the deep ocean is incredibly pretty (even though I felt a little bit disappointed we didn't get to know much about their society), the acting is great and writing is awesome as well.
The way Namor is portrayed here impressed me, it's different from other villains in MCU, and I like it. I just felt it a bit dry for the third act from him (and his society in general). Again, a missed opportunity to show more about them.
Loved the movie overall, one of the best sequels done by Marvel.
Not as good as the original (which is hard to do anyway), but still very, very good. My sole complaint is that many parts of it had the same alleged problem as the last episode of Game of Thrones, i.e., too physically dark to be able to see what was happening. Beyond that the music and visuals were amazing, the pacing was excellent, and the whole thing flowed remarkably well around the absence of Chadwick Boseman (RIP). I really loved a lot of the little details with Namor, and I hope fans of Hermes in all media types were taking notes, because the ankle wings were realistic and the cool fast skating moves for him to build up speed were inspired.
Those complaining about the writing and side characters, did you watch the same movie as me? I rate movies based on how engaged I am with them (so, am I dicking around on my phone at the same time or am I just watching the movie), and apart from looking a couple of things up during, I was fully focused on the movie, despite its length. (It didn't feel like almost three hours, either.) It seems like many people went into this burnt out on Marvel, or perhaps suffering from that trendy affliction of "let's hate on Marvel because other people like it".
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever offers a more emotionally driven narrative compared to its prequel as the movie centers around Shuri and her struggle with grief. I enjoyed Shuri's character arc although it felt mildly cliché and the resolution, in regards to her conflict with Namor, was rather predictable. The movie's pitfall, however, was the plot. The introduction of new characters—Namor and Riri Williams—and an entirely new civilization (as well as their conflict with Wakanda and the rest of the world) was an obvious attempt to advance the overall MCU timeline in a somewhat forceful manner. All of this detracted from the originality of the film itself, and I believe there was much greater potential in a more character-driven movie. Still, I will applaud Marvel for handling Chadwick Boseman's death honorably.
Another marvel movie lots of visuals pretty decent story
Absolutely amazing :clap: I cried more times than I'm willing to admit during this movie. May he rest in peace, in both worlds :heart: The MCU has been getting a bit out of hand in my opinion but this brought it back down for me. I was hanging on the entire time. An easy 10.
EDIT: Also wtf is wrong with all the idiots complaining about racism in this movie?? I didn't see or hear anything wrong here. I don't get why everyone has to bring race into everything, it's stupid and pointless. If you're so bored with your life that you have to imagine problems where they don't exist, maybe consider going out and touching grass. Or find a hobby. I hear knitting is quite in this year.
Surprisingly the better alternative to Avatar 2
This is a tough one. It's not great, it's not bad, it's just somewhere in-between.
Ryan Coogler had a tough task to accomplish here and I think they did what they could given the circumstances. There were so many decisions to make regarding the tragic passing of Chadwick Boseman and working around a pandemic.
As far as paying tribute to Chadwick and T'Challa goes, I think the film did a beautiful job, especially in the opening scene and the mid-credit one that let his legacy live on. I also fully understand the decision not to recast the character. I think it was the most tasteful way to handle the situation. In-universe, passing the torch to T'Challa's son one day also seems like a fitting idea.
Taking a look at the rest of the movie however, it's a mess and way too long for its own good.
Personal feelings about Letitia Wright and her views regarding the pandemic aside, I don't think Shuri should've become the next Black Panther and she doesn't work as a main character at all. While her conflict was played well, it was also very one note in the writing. Not once did the story or character (even before that) indicate any interest to become the Black Panther. If anything her storyline was more or less if she can recreate the flower to even make a new Panther possible, not to take up that mantle. Shuri is not a warrior, but a scientist. Sure, she can hold her own in a battle, but if all her appearances within the MCU indicated something, then that she works best as a scientist leaving the fighting to others. She's a badass in her own field, leave it at that. Her arc would've worked just as well by coming to terms that Wakanda needs a new Panther and that she doesn't betray her brother's legacy by helping to create one. As far as candidates go, I think it should've been Nakia or Okoye, because it would've fitted their storylines so much better. M'Baku maybe as well, though I'm fine with him becoming King instead.
The movie also unfortunately decided to sideline all the wrong characters. I don't think Shuri works as the sole protagonist, even if that is an unpopular opinion here. Some characters just function better in a supporting role. Again, I think focusing on Nakia or Okoye would've benefitted the movie more. M'Baku, while having some of my favorite moments in the film, also finally deserved his time to shine.
I appreciated the short return of Michael B. Jordan, because he is fantastic, though even that cameo felt shoehorned in.
Angela Bassett gave a very strong performance and was clearly a standout in the movie. I think Queen Ramonda's death however was absolutely pointless and unnecessary and she was just used as a prop for Shuri, something that could've been done differently in so many ways. Especially since she sacrificed herself for a character neither she or the audience have had any connection at this point.
Speaking of, I like Right Williams. I like Dominique Thorne's portrayal. I don't think she should've been introduced in this movie. There was no point in her being the scientist to figure out a way to find vibranium. If anything it felt a tad ridiculous, especially since even if Namor managed to kill her, the government already used her technology and knew about it, so that whole plot was flimsy at best. It also feels weird to introduce Iron Heart without even mentioning Tony Stark, but that's probably the MCU continuing to shit on its OG character (within the movie-verse I mean).
Namor started out as an interesting villain, with at least some sympathetic motivation until he went full out "let's conquer the surface world" without a warning. He also was basically there for lots of exposition. The movie was full of that. So. Much. Exposition.
I always enjoy Martin Freeman as Everett Ross, but a cameo in the beginning would've done that. The whole side plot with his ex-wife could've been cut and nothing would've been missing from the film.
The cinematography was beautiful and the CGI was better than in the first film, but got gradually worse as the movie progressed. The fight choreography was okay-ish but not very innovative.
In the end, I think they tried very hard to work around the incredible loss they suffered and I respect that. I wish they would've taken more time to work on the script though. There's a good movie hiding somewhere inside of this jumbled mess, but unfortunately it spends most of its time running around and chasing a red line. It is still better than a lot of other films the MCU has put out there in recent years, easily superior to the likes of Multiverse of Madness or Thor: Love & Thunder but still far from the greatness it could've been.
I thought this was incredibly boring. I'm going to assume that Chadwick Boseman's unfortunate passing threw the plans for this film into chaos, and they were unable to fully recover from it. Because, well, this was dull as hell. The only interesting part was Michael B. Jordan's appearance.
It absolutely did not need to be this long, either. Didn't justify its length.
In the comics, Namor is known as being the world's first mutant, his mutant ability being the wings on his ankles that enable him to fly. He also refers to himself as a mutant in this movie, making it the first mention of mutants in the MCU.
Really time to pick a new guy who can pull off this part! Not that I am against women in action but come on….
I have to admit that I was quite a bit hesitant about this movie. I feared this was one movie where the woke intellectual midgets of Hollywood would go overboard with their nonsense.
Luckily, the movie was more or less free of such rubbish except for maybe the lame “joke” at the end of the movie. If you are one of the woke intellectual midgets watching the movie I am sure you could find some contrived way of construing some message out of it but normal people will probably find it rather woke free.
Overall it was a pretty decent movie actually. Lot and lots of special effects and action of course and, as with Black Adams that I just reviewed, that is the main reason to watch this movie.
Unlike Black Adams, the story as a hole has more Hollywood nonsense in it though. It is good enough to propel the movie from start to finish but that is all.
The main plot of the movie is unfortunately one of those nonsensical bits. Not even a kid (actually she is not really a kid but an adult) having the misfortune of attending one of those depraved grooming and indoctrination institutes they call schools today would be stupid enough to hand over a detector that would put their African home nation in such grave danger.
Then there was that illogical rant from the Queen where she, in a emotional fit, fired her best (only) General. The cognitively impaired sock puppet might do a thing like that but not a real regent.
The part with the French in the UN was also utter rubbish. That was to please the Chinese, who are the ones that would actually do what the movie claimed the French were doing, and nothing else.
Anyway, it is still a decent movie. Certainly a lot better than quite a few Marvel/DC movies that Hollywood has produced over the last couple of years. The special effects are very nice and most of the action is quite cool.
I am somewhat concerned that they picked that rather non-charismatic and overly emotional woman to become the next Black Panther though. After all, she could have re-created the magic flower a lot earlier but instead she let her stubbornness and emotions stand in the way. Not exactly qualities you would want in the Black Panther.
I can’t be the only one who thinks this is actually decent lol (buff from all the other crappy phase 4 movies??)
All that’s left for marvel to me now really is just nostalgia and any remaining attachment for the characters.
Liked the music a lot.
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Not even remotely as epic as the trailer suggested, but still manages to deliver the same solid mediocre entertainment we expected. This one has a darker and more mature tone than its predecessor, yet it comes with the same problems with the writing. The movie is bloated with subplots and unnecessary steps that took away time that could have been used to flesh out the characters’ relationships and make the plot plausible. The characters keep running in circles for most of the movie, only to rush at the end with an anticlimactic final battle and an oversimplified resolution to what could have been a way more complex conflict. They keep hinting at a huge war between civilizations, yet we hardly see more than a dozen people involved.