pretty rubbish it's been done to death nothing to see here,move on.
ok big fan of the Terminator Saga here and of course this was a disaster. But not in the very disaster mode. T2 was a masterpiece, this was suppose to continue from there, this was suppose to have Cameron back but guess what, was all marketing and lies. He did not direct the movie, he just was a name on the fourth line with "story by" and "characters based on", complete rip-off. The T2 legacy was destroyed by the out of no where and without any meaning if they have stopped Judgement date killing of John Connor
the whole PC was of course against the movie, the story was a copycat of T2 and the only thing that saved the movie was Arnold, seriously was Arnold. Without him the movie will be a complete dull and pointless, ok it was pointless but at least he saved face
Rule of thumb: if a movie has 6 (or more) credited people working on the script, chances are it wasn’t conceived by a writer, but a boardroom.
Having said that, I’ve seen worse executions of the Force Awakens format.
The script’s junk, but the production isn’t awful. The first action scene is actually well done, visuals and score are alright, and Mackenzie Davis and Arnold are great in it.
4.5/10
This movie was just... stupid! I mean, if you like CGI action scenes, then go ahead and watch it... but if you like smart plot with good acting and good one liners then don't watch this mess... 4 out of 10...
Wokeness aside (and it takes big effort already), the film is very unoriginal, with poor casting choices. A sequel I did not really want, that bored me to death. Oh, and then there is the wokeness...
To understand my response to this movie, I need you to understand my history with this franchise. In 1984, a movie came out that I thought I would never be the least bit interested in. I went to see it because my youth group was talking about it and, as their Minister of Christian Education, and their youth leader, I was always interested in interacting with them about the media they consumed so I could challenge their worldview with the cause of Christ. I was completely astonished to fall in love with the love story that was, surprisingly, at the heart of this weird, mechanical, apocalyptic movie. It became one of my favourite movies and I’ve seen it multiple times since then and it still moves me. That movie, of course, was THE TERMINATOR, a straight up 10 out of 10. I have since followed every subsequent addition to the franchise, including the very good TV series, TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (starring Lena Headley). When this newest piece premiered, revisiting the woman that was the heart of that original movie, now 35 years later, I was at the first viewing of it, with great expectations. And, I found the true character arcs that first drew me to THE TERMINATOR: Sarah Connors (Linda Hamilton) hardened by the fight and grief, rediscovering her purpose, T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger) conditioned by years of contact with humans, redeeming his mistakes; Grace (Mackenzie Davis) the self sacrificing warrior, Dani Ramos (Natalia Reyes) finding herself in the echos that call Sarah back to herself. It was all there, plus a stellar threat and some wicked action sequences. So I, unapologetically, give this film a 9 (nostalgic superb) out of 10. [Pre-Apocalyptic Action]
Tasteless remake of a once good movie.
Rewriting the timeline just to offer a "different" future ... where the only difference is the name of the AI wiping humanity, from the iconic Skynet to an unknown Legion...
And the movie lacks in something very important, some might call it the backbone of every movie: a story.
You litterally just see people running from a new and improved and obviously totally invincible Terminator for the whole movie, nothing else beside one or two flashback to the future which are kind of useless...
Linda Hamilton is a total badass... until she takes off her glasses, and magically become an old, tired and annoyed woman. Schwarzie is there... to remind us it is a sequel and not a pure reboot, i guess.
The movie remains watchable and somehow enjoyable if you're very nostalgic or if you never saw T2: Judgment Day.
Very disappointing, bad idea, bad acting this movie is the dark fate of the terminator franchise,
The worst delirium I've ever seen. The bunch of non-related action episodes sauced with nonsense dialogues. The whole film is a big joke, it tries to be like T2 but it can't. Starting from fighting scenes and ending with dialogs; everything copies T2 but very cheap and disgustingly. This creation really lacks integrity. Grandpa T-800, it just ridiculous! He's making curtains while Sara killing terminators now and then like it's child's play. What were they thinking?! I don't believe in characters, they are all flat and awfully performed. Why making an interesting NEW plot when you can take finished one and tune it a little so it can fit new visions. In the end, it's all about strong women that don't afraid of terminators. That's the main idea.
Awful VFX and lame Rev 9 Terminator ruins what could otherwise have been a fun retread. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, and Mackenzie Davis all did a great job, but they had no chance of saving this atrocious screenplay. When T9 preforms his first big jump in the factory, it looks like Spider-Man from 2002. And seriously, the Terminators coming out of the water?! Was this footage left over from the original movie? My wife wisely chose not to go, and of the dozens of movies that I’ve seen without her, this is the one that she would have hated the most.
"For John."
'Dark Fate' was meh. I mean it's basically the Force Awakens of the franchise just more cash grab. Like...how many times can they keep alternating T1 & T2, and yet it's astounding that it never ruins the legacy of the series.
Despite all that, it's the third best in the series. At least this movie knows that Terminator is not for kids! I had some engagement in the movie, even through the reason being that it follows a familiar plot line.
Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger are both the stand outs. Hamilton playing a cranky bad-ass and Arnold playing an involved machine that has a life of his own. Mackenzie Davis was surprisingly not as annoying as I thought she will be just from the marketing alone. Her character was straight forward in terms of motivation and can take damage.
Tim Miller really knows how to direct action scenes effectively and in this movie he delivers some grand action set pieces. However, after seeing the movie a few days ago, only a small selection stick to memory.
Gabriel Luna did a decent job playing the new advance Terminator. They took the "Robert Patrick" approach with picking an ordinary looking guy and making him into the biggest threat of humanity. Although it was a bit hard for me to feel threaten by him as throughout the movie he seemed easily out match by pretty much everyone.
I didn't really buy into Dani played by Natalia Reyes as the main "saviour of the future", mainly because of her stiff acting and everytime she holds a gun it's twice her size.
The visual effects at times looked pretty OK, but the rest looked really bad. It really doesn't help when there's close ups on the effects where you can see the fakeness. At times the movie was a little too dark and I don't mean in tone, just whenever it's night time.
Overall rating: Not as great as T1 & T2, but nothing will without James Cameron magic touch.
A super fun watch if you go into it with no expectations...there's no makin you whiney lil childrenz happy anyways.. so take a toke..push play..and stfu
The terminator is a shameless copy of of Alex Mercer in the Prototype pc game. Also is filmed and use the same face all the time.
A really bad movie.
How come John Connor in 1998 looks exactly the same as he did in 1995 ? He was 10 in T2, so would have been 13 in '98. He even has the same haircut !
Yeah, really miss SCC too. Canceled way to early.
Except for the initial scene, I liked it a lot, a lot of action well done, the protagonists well
I was realy excited to see Tim Miller's take on The Terminator franchise, and with Cameron Hamilton and Arnie all back, with the addition of Mackenzie Davis this was something to get really excited about, however just felt like a paint by numbers excercise, scenes were ticked off and no real thrill, if only Arnie had put on those glasses! I had a real feeling of 'What was the point' after leaving the cinema! This didnt try to do aything new at all, or add to the franchise.
Obviously these new installations added to the franchise we’ve had are never going to live up to the original two but this one did give it a go try and better than most and the mission it was ordered to do wasn’t a fail with a few cheesy glitches, other than that it was a fun ride with plenty of good action blended with some cool effects, and a sound cast that work together as a good team.
Do I like the new write up for the plot, it’s a yes and no and do i want another film, no, order the mission to end there but it’s Hollywood (Skynet) it’s all about money.
more of the same. i think terminator 2 set up a second to none script and they are all bad copy due to lack of ideas.
It's like watching politically correct people beat a dead horse you used to like as a child.
Tim Miller, your career is over.
Cameron, you have created your own Alien: Covenant. Now, I have an interesting relationship with this film, before it was even announced. I liked Genisys quite a lot. I've liked all of the sequels past Terminator 2, especially the action heavy and emotional Terminator 3 that takes up the responsibility of carrying the development of it's lead, John Connor, and expanding on that. John in that film has brought the trials and understandings from the Terminator's sacrifice at the end and understands that a Terminator can grasp the concept of the value of human life. That part of him is still there, which is why he can accept another T-850 has come back to protect him and he doesn't stay prejudiced to it the entire film. The new challenge has to take up is his responsibility as the leader of the future resistance. He's run away and he's living off the grid, but over the course of the film, leading up to the brilliant ending, has accepted that he must come forth and take the mantel of leading humanity to ultimate victory. That is what his mother taught him, which is why I could accept her being killed off screen, because her development had been completed in the second film, John had a new burden to overcome, it was his journey by that point.
So tell me why this is acceptable. Why has it become accepted in our society that we can just throw a number of films, all with different creative leads, teams, and producers, under the bus and say they were all terrible, and this new version being created is the true sequel to what are supposedly universally accepted films, determined somehow. This botched move is what killed the 2018 Halloween reboot, which for some reason felt the urge to make the original sequel and Season of the Witch no longer canon, which makes no sense and it's a slap in the face to the original lore, just cause some redditors thought it was "a little silly" Michael and Laurie are siblings, even though Michael had a sister in the opening scene. There was no reason to remove the second from existence and it's put the franchise in a creative dead end, resulting in many logic gaps and ridiculous connections. You begin to realize this is all a tactic, this is the new remake craze like what was going on in the 2000's. Instead of just remaking the classics to varying degrees of quality, the new explosion of bait and switch is making a "correct" version of the original, i.e. in sequel form or reboot. This has happened with Star Wars, Digimon Tri, Scooby-Doo, Ghostbusters, Voltron, and so many more. It's become a franchise wasteland out there, with every company ready to kill off whatever it was you loved in your childhood. It's ripe for picking.
Dark Fate decides to forgo any profit from the Chinese market and any fans that may have been forged out of the 440 million profits of Genisys and ops to wipe the slate clean again, for some reason. Think about it, five was all about multiverse hopping and time travel, different timelines interconnecting, it actually explains away some time paradoxes created from previous films, because now anything can happen. Other characters can exist in new timelines and kill blood related family and suffer no consequences. Anything is possible with what Genisys introduced, but no, it's better to kill the potential golden goose. I was even cool with John Connor becoming a villain in his respective timeline, because a) it throws the development back on to Sarah and Kyle struggling with the idea of their child, originally prophesied to be the savior of humanity, now villain, and b) a good John Connor could still exist in another timeline. The floodgates of crossovers and mayhem were opened.
But, 'kay, fine, let's throw all that talk out the window. Cameron is back, Tim Miller is on board (yay?), David S. Goyer is writing, we're just getting rid of everything creative that was done before and going back to "basics." What does that entail. How is the brilliant writer's room going to top all out of the outings that it has to top, and prove that it's worthy enough of saying it is better than all of them, and it's the true version that should be canon? I know! Kill John Connor four minutes in to the movie. You think I'm joking. Let's have a T-800 walk up to child Johnny, who's a digitally recreated young Edward Furlong, and shoot him in the chest with a shotgun. Brilliant, oh, you guys outdid yourselves. The "mythos" of Terminator are important to them, this is the real Terminator 3 everyone. That's why Terminator 1 and 2's importance and story no longer matter since all the effort of saving Sarah, and then following up the born child, just results in the kid being shot in the chest in under a minute. Hey Cameron, what was that you said about Alien 3? That it was dumb and maybe a little disrespectful to kill your characters, Newt and Hicks unceremoniously? Aren't you being a little hypocritical constantly trashing on that film, yet you just wrote and produced the love child to it? Like, do I even need to continue the review? You've shot yourselves in the foot not even a few minutes in to the film. Sarah I can believe killing off, John was the product of those two films, he is who needs to survive, that was the entire message of Terminator 3, the T-850 sacrificed himself and lied to save John and Kate's lives. He is the backbone of the series, outside of Sarah Connor.
But, 'kay, fine, let's throw John in a lava pit. He doesn't matter. Where do we go from here? Answer is you don't. You know the trend. We have to regress every character's development from the previous entry so we can essentially remake the film with the same script and lesson. Worked so well for Incredibles 2, amiright? Sarah is now back to being a paranoid Terminator expert who doesn't trust a T-800 look-alike because they killed a significant other of hers. In T2 it was Kyle Reese, in this one it's John Connor. What a load of shit. Way to show massive disrespect to the films you claim to be honoring. May I remind you this isn't even really Sarah's film. We haven't even gotten to the new bland leads they've had to scrounge up because there's nothing to go off. So now that Skynet doesn't even exist anymore and John is just dead, we can now just remake the original The Terminator with a new super evil robotic massive conglomerate in the form of something called "Legion," with direct rip-offs of scenes from 3, Salvation, and Genisys, films they claim to hate, but will still copy from. Real class act. This future soldier named Grace is sent back to protect a new leader of the resistance, Dani, a total (wo)manlet that does not look like a feasible leader of the resistance. No disrespect to Natalia Reyes, she seems like a nice actress, but she is horribly miscast. If they had switched around the leads, Davis as the leader and Reyes as the protector, I'd believe it more. But okay, Reyes lives in Mexico and works in a car factory (social commentary), lots of Spanish language is used in the film, an overwhelming amount, and her Papi is taken over by the new Rev-9 terminator in an attempt to kill her at the factory. A Terminator 3 and Genisys ripoff chase ensues and we end up meeting a beaten down Sarah. From there, we just go through the motions of exposition, who are you, who am I, what are we doing, taking cues from some The Terminator deleted scenes, and flashforward glimpses of the surprisingly bland looking Salvation copying future war. That's a thing I really have to deduct points from this movie significantly. Tim Miller, I don't know what happened in your three years from Deadpool but the action in this movie is shockingly bland and boring. How can you make a truck chase that exceedingly tiresome, a finale at the Hoover Dam that anti-climactic and kind of laughable. The CG effects have downgraded so much, it would be Stan Winston to shame, the poor man. Compare the effects in this film to Terminator 3, and it's just evident as an audience, we have accepted lower standards as a thing. We are okay with shiny, video game tier special effects. Especially during the D-Day Saving Private Ryan inspired future war scenes, the Terminators are hideously over shiny. The liquid T-1000 effects in Terminator 2 still look better today, I don't believe for a second this film cost 180 million legitimately, a lot of that was probably forfeited to Linda Hamilton and Arnold, both of whom are on record hating this franchise and wishing it would end.
But okay, we find ourselves in nap inducing action, bland rushed characters, retreaded existing characters, and then we delve in to border hopping. Not making that up either. Sarah is banned in all fifty states for what she's done in the previous films, but since this takes place in Mexico, we can have social commentary about the leads sneaking across the border and getting caught by Border Patrol, and subsequently being held up in psuedo-ICE camps. I'm not even making that up, that's a crux of the film, the Rev-9 joins the Border Patrol (like the T-1000 taking the mantle of a police officer) and hunts them down in an ICE camp. There's even a back in forth with Grace and a patrol officer. "Where are the prisoners?" "They're called detainees." This is where we're at with propaganda. It's okay to illegally border hop because the protagonists of the film are supposedly good people. That's how they're trying to shove this nonsense on to you. It's not even subtle or clever. How can you get the blatant with the reality bending. From there, they hijack a helicopter (Genisys reference) and some more hijinks ensure. They do meet up with the T-800 from the opening scene of the film that killed Johnny. There's some faux deep themes like, can a Terminator understand human life, can it evolve in to a normal functioning person after completing it's mission, all of which were explored in 2 and Genisys better, and then we get in to the final climactic Furious 7 and Rampage rip offed plane finale and Dam showdown. From there, Grace sacrifices herself to save Dani, i.e. Kyle Reese, and the T-800 kills the Rev-9 while saying "For John," which is a bullshit final attempt to show they care about Johnny, which the film doesn't. Then the movie just ends. It just ends, there's nothing more to it. They don't defeat Legion, there's a little scene with a speech Dani gives in the future war, which was done better by John in the opening of Genisys and actually plays off with the role reversal later in the film, this is just a B-grade schlock speech about rising up and shit. Nothing interesting. There's no mid-credits scene, nothing. It just ends. This movie is pointless. There is no point to this movie. Why does it exist? Answer me that. Terminator 3 was about Judgement Day finally coming to fruition and John accepting his fate at a future leader, Genisys was about stopping a new Skynet while Kyle comes to terms with the fact his friend and hero John is now an enemy that must be destroyed. Grace and Dani have no charisma. There is nothing to either of them. Sarah regresses as a character, and Arnold is there to just please the fans. All the while the film just rips off the films it hates.
I would say the only positive of the film, not even much so, is some of Junkie XL's score, he can always put together something halfway decent, but anything else, the cinematography and color grading especially are awful. Nothing pops out of the screen, the lighting is horrible, very bad contrasting, silhouettes, no impressive shots to speak of. This is some of the most amateurish direction I've ever seen in a major studio film, only rivaling Joss Whedon's Age Of Ultron
Cameron, you are on my shit list now. I defended you with Avatar and the recently produced Alita: Battle Angel, my favorite film probably of all time, but this, this is gross. This is another in an evergrowing list of franchises that have been shameless ripped apart and put on display in a freak museum. How much longer do we have to endure this before people say to stop. Don't go see this movie, go watch the other sequels. Terminator 3 needs to be vindicated, it needs to get the respect it's been wrongly taken away from.
Same shit, just new actors and new effects. Should have ended long time ago.
The Terminator series should have did after Judgement Day. After Terminator 2 the story was done and would have had a worthy end (if you can forgive the time travelling paradox that is). Instead, here we are, almost 30 years later and the series just keeps on digging itself deeper and deeper into a hole it can never get out of. The writers insist on milking this franchise dry, coming up with "new" storylines that make no sense end keep contradicting each other from one movie to the next. Rules that were established in the original 2 movies are either ignored or changed in the movies following it. And on top of all of this, visual effects from the later movies are sometimes worse than those produced 30 years ago.
I know, I haven't said much about this movie in particular, but the above basically applies to every Terminator movie starting with part 3 and every movie that came after that. Everyone that had hoped that this would finally be an old school Terminator movie; you will be disappointed. Not worth your time, nor will the next one be.
This is the best Terminator movie since Judgement Day. Although the plot is not the most original, it's miles better than any of the last three movies. The actors were good, the characters well-written. I was beside myself with excitement to see Linda Hamilton play Sarah Connor again. However I am decidedly not a fan of what they did to Sarah and John (especially when you consider Dani seems just an upgrade of John for a more woke modern spin on the character). I like the idea of returning the focus on Sarah as the main character (because it has always been her at the heart of the story), but it was not executed well enough. I hated seeing Sarah in so much pain and I hated the Connors being made obsolete. It feels disrespectful, makes all the suffering they went through meaningless and it soured my enjoyment of an otherwise good flick quite a bit. The Sarah Connor Chronicles remains my favourite version of the story post-Judgement Day.
Dont waste your time in this one, it's worse than terminator genisys
cant wait for this. great that they ignore everything past judgement Day.
Jaw droppingly bad. I thought Genisys was a low point.
Terminator
1 The Terminator (1984) https://trakt.tv/movies/the-terminator-1984
2 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) https://trakt.tv/movies/terminator-2-judgment-day-1991
3 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) https://trakt.tv/movies/terminator-3-rise-of-the-machines-2003
4 Terminator Salvation (2009) https://trakt.tv/movies/terminator-salvation-2009
5 Terminator Genisys (2015) https://trakt.tv/movies/terminator-genisys-2015
6 Terminator: Dark Fate (2019) https://trakt.tv/movies/terminator-dark-fate-2019
This was the first proper Terminator movie since Terminator 2 and felt for me like Terminator 3. I'm not a fan of Mackenzie Davis who always has that same cry face ever since Halt And Catch Fire which she cant seem to lock out of anymore - but, she was not bad in this movie. Great to see Linda Hamilton and Arnie together again.
"You do that, it'll find you. You put a hundred cops between you and a Terminator, you'll get a hundred dead cops."
- Grace
Simply awful, this felt like rinse and repeat. Nothing new added to the franchise. other than an apparent regret of everything between T2 and Genesis.
One movie too far. Loved all the other Terminator movies (less so #4), but this was one was stupid and completely unnecessary. Glad I didn't pay for this. Giving it a 5/10 is quite generous as I spent most of the movie rolling my eyes and wishing it was over.
So... another Terminator movie, eh? Not sure who out there was clamoring for it, but whoever it was, they got it! T2 has always been a movie I've had a soft spot for, but it's really the only Terminator movie I really latched onto (note: I never saw Genysis, but it sure didn't look very good). That doesn't change after seeing Dark Fate. That being said, this was a pretty entertaining film, even if very, very, very much a retread of past Terminator stories and themes. The actions scenes are pretty well done, even though some of the CGI feels a little... rubbery. Lots of dumb choices are made, but you don't get much time to dwell on it as you're moved to the next action scene or exposition dump or (un)shocking plot "reveal". Still, it could be worse. This could have been a Michael Bay flick.
Entertaining as all the others in the franchise, but the basic plot is the same, only with a few different actors and locations.
James Cameron returns to bastardize his classic sci-fi thriller with the half-assed reboot Terminator: Dark Fate. Terminator 3 & 4 are wiped from continuity once again as the story of Sarah Connor is picked up, hunting down terminators sent from the future, when she comes across a young woman and her guardian who are running from a new type of terminator. Unfortunately the cast is pretty weak and doesn’t have the charisma of those from previous films. And Cameron’s ultra-liberal politics come through loud and clear; to the detriment of the film. However, the chases and fight scenes are incredibly exciting and action-packed, and the special effects are especially well-done. Yet while Terminator: Dark Fate is entertaining, it’s a piss-poor continuation of T2.
Really enjoyed this T movie. Good to see Arnie back and Grace was excellent. Well worth a watch.
Fun and stylish, but appears more like a rehash of previous iteration of Terminator. You can see bits and pieces of older films remanufactured in this film, dressed up with contemporary zeitgeist - women protagonist, Latin American setting, and tacks on issues like borders. Fortunately the setup doesn't take the film away from its plot and it just seams nicely.
However, there are too many characters involved. Linda Hamilton (Sarah Connor) takes the spotlight, perhaps too much that she overshadows the two new women protagonists played by Natalia Reyes and Mackenzie Davis. On the other hand, Arnold (Terminator) remains in the background for most of the film, and feels more like a token icon of the film. Despite starring new actors, the film feels more like a tribute to older ones (Linda and Arnold).
That said, the film doesn't rely on gimmicks or throwbacks like most sequels from iconic films do nowadays (Star Wars the biggest offender). The ending is neat, but just don't expect the film to be a spiritual sequel to the first two original Terminator.
Growing up I was obsessed with the first two movies. Definitely too young to watch them but loved them all the same. When T3 rolled around I was so excited! But as we all know it was all downhill from there. Lena Headey's T:SCC was a brilliant alternative to the mess of the movie verse and I thought that was the best we were going to get in terms of 'proper' continuation. Enter: Dark Fate.
A solid addition to T2 in keeping with modern times. Linda Hamilton was a powerhouse to have back as that character. Just fantastic.
Mackenzie Davies stepped up as a real force to be reckoned with though! Brilliant dynamic between her and Reyes too.
Overall it was decent action with a heart at the core. What more could we want.
After "Judgment Day" day, i think i have watched a good Terminator movie in Dark Fate. Good job Tim Miller! 7/10
It's not a bad film; far from it. It's certainly better than anything terminator related post T2. But it's not a great film, partly because it throws in too many dumb one liners and cheesy throwbacks back to the original movies. The script is quite weak too. Still, there is some good action and the players are good, so while no classic, it's not a bad way to spend your time. That being said, this tired franchise does need to be terminated.
It was everything I hoped for and MORE. I loved it. Mackenzie, Linda and Natalia make the most amazing trio.
Terminators: Recycled was the same program run the same way after a soft reboot. Still, it was fun to see Linda Hamilton again and Mackenzie Davis is so good that I hope there's a sequel just to see her continue to be the action hero I never knew I needed.
Great to see Linda Hamilton again. Mackenzie Davis is a smokin hot badass. Arnie is Arnie, always fun to see. That said this was a stinker. Third best sure....but a stinker.
Good film and sick action sequences but overall the story was a bit disappointing. I feel like that killing off John Connor kind of destroys the legacy of Terminator 2 and that's a shame. Nevertheless it is an entertaining movie and it was awesome to see Linda Hamilton in her signature role again. Also Mackenzie Davis did a fantastic job.
What a totally empty movie, a shell of what came before it, and not much better than the entries after 2.
Seeing Linda Hamilton be a grouchy, no-fucks-given action star was good, but nowhere near captivating or versatile enough to carry the over 2 hour runtime.
Mackenzie was decent, but spent most of her screentime either overheating or rolling on the floor in pain. This is the augmented super soldier you send back to protect your only hope? Wish they'd given her more time to be badass and cemented herself as a force to be reckoned with.
Arnie was great and was kinda used as Tim's comic relief stand-in. There is some decent one liners and Arnies delivery fits this perfectly. I enjoyed the spin on his character and what he has become, even if it wasn't fully realised outside of some emotional baggage to give the ending added weight.
Everything else is just popcorn fodder. Loud, sometimes slick, sometimes cumbersome action scenes that feel mashed together with very little coherency or requirement. Nothing stands out as a defining moment or that the movie is finally hitting its stride. It just feels like a bunch of individual scenes inspired by the original movies but without any of the innovation or polish. Like going to see your favourite band and finding out you got a tribute act. Sure, they can play the songs, but it lacks any of the original authenticity.
The story retreads the same ground its prequels walked much, much better; do yourself a favour and just rewatch T1 and T2.
I do not like that they feminize all past movies, and now they did it also with terminator...
The story line is very thin, i can explain the movie in 1 sentence. Skynet has been replaced by legion, John by Dani and same movie as T2."
I liked the special effects, i do not like the new type of robot... but if you like an action movie without a lot of story go watch this movie.
A solid action movie. The effects looked really good. The plot feels familiar. It's great to see more Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Mackenzie Davis is badass. The new terminator is super cool. This is nothing groundbreaking but better than the other sequels and a fun popcorn flick.
Trying to imagine how the studio planned this one out: "so we've already had two gooey robots with blades for arms as the antagonists; we need something new. I know! A gooey robot with blades for arms that can duplicate itself and make saucy remarks. And what about the protector? We can't do a plain human or a reprogrammed robot again... cyborg it is! Now let's just throw in an Arnie, a Linda Hamilton, a few 'I'll be back' variants and the rest of the movie will just write itself."
Considering that T1 and T2 are the top two movies in the series (I'll leave it to you to debate in which order), I would personally say that it is worthy of taking an honorable third-place. It turns out that the secret sauce that the post-T2 movies were lacking was the real star of the series: Linda Hamilton.
It's true that the movie totally disregards everything from T3:RotM onwards, but in all honesty, that's not a bad thing.
There's one particular scene that blew my mind, and left me wondering if they'd found some old unused footage from the previous movies.
What a sour note for the Terminator series to go out on. While I must say this film is a significant improvement on Genesis it is still a hollow re-sequelboot of a franchise that should have ended after the second movie. While seeing Linda Hamilton again was cool that does not help the fact that this film is poorly written, barley memorable and a carbon copy of the previous films. I also will never understand why the decided to kill off John Connor and get rid of sky-net. This film is the final nail in the coffin for this franchise. Besides the shockingly good Terminator game that came out a couple years ago this franchise has been dead in the water since the 3rd or 4th movie. It hurts me to say this since I love both the first and second films so much but I hope this is a franchise that wont be back.
A tale as old as time
I enjoyed this movie despite all the negative reviews. This felt like a good continuation from Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Sure there were some things that felt old and rehashed, but it was still fun to watch the new alternate reality unfold.
Everything went better then expected but the main character (Dani) was quite forgettable
This movie so proves that Mackenzie Davis is not a leading role actress.
Better save your money and wait for it to stream...
Maybe this is the right send-off for this movie anthology...
Better than anything else they've made after the original two Camerons, it's a reasonably enjoyable film that should probably not have been made.
Arnie steals the show when he arrives and it's an interesting twist. I enjoyed it though I can understand others not.
Linda Hamilton didn't need to do this. Let's hope she's happy she came out of anonymity to do it as I would guess her character's storyline is likely in keeping with her own.
The rest of the cast do fine with what they get. And a script that is lacking any real bite.
The action is a touch repetitive and there's a couple of occasions where the CG goes a little overboard. And I cannot stand a frame-rate higher than 24 as it looks like a home-recording or a soap opera.
All in all. Enjoyable enough. Better than I thought it was going to be. It did make think how good it could have been with some James Cameron magic sprinkled on it...
A fitting farewell to the series hopefully, in reuniting the original pair. But time is upon the franchise now.
6.5/10 (shame about the silly high frame rate too)
Just like the trailers hint. Terminator: Dark Fate isn’t much of an Arnold film. The movie is well carried by Linda Hamilton, Mackenzie Davis and Natalia Reyes though.
They make another unnecessary Terminator sequel surprisingly good. Rather making believe 3–5 never happened though. I’d like to think they are alternate timelines.
Arnold Schwarzenegger does shine when he is eventually shown though. Hamilton though steals the show about as much as she did in Terminator 2. By being pure badass.
Some might find the film over the top with feminism. If you just sit back and enjoy the ride it doesn’t really matter.
Even if the film is a bit repetitive with blowing up the bad terminator over and over and over again. The film packs a punch and is about as good as part 3.
This one makes me tired of the franchise. A copy of the previous movies with an absolute lack of originality. Bad writing... there's no story beyond "let's stop this enemy together" and "look at how macho we all are". It's pretty equal with Genisys as the worst entry in the franchise but maybe a little worse for me.
The characters look cool and act cool but I have no idea who any of them are. There's no chemistry between them until there finally is in the third act in an attempt to connect them through a flashback—late and convenient. They at least do something different with Arnold this time and his presence added to the movie. The villain was alright but I don't think he carried throughout the entire movie, his powers felt redundant in the third act and I wanted something new.
The special effects get worse and worse with every entry in terms of creativity, it's down to entirely CGI here which is sad. It looks alright for the most part but every once in a while it looks like a video game. The set pieces aren't the most memorable but I did enjoy the plane part, looked and felt like a sequence right out of a Fast & Furious movie... Furious 7 actually.
You never guessed it, but this is the third movie in the Terminator franchise that was meant to be the start for a new trilogy, meaning we now have a trilogy of failed trilogy attempts. And Cameron is working on another Terminator reboot, oh boy.
I liked it in cinemas enough to give it 3 stars but this time I didn't enjoy it as much. I'm maybe one of the few people who thought it was an interesting idea to kill John Connor. I also loved that they used T2 Edward Furlong. Seeing the trio of Sarah, John and the T-800 de-aged to the '90s was amazing and I thought the de-aging was done perfectly.
I think it would have been a better movie if John wasn't killed immediately, we would have had more '90s looking fun and his death would have been a bigger shock.
I also hate that the T-800 that killed John had a child and understood Sarah's pain??? And he is called CARL?!
Too bad this is probably the last time we have seen Linda Hamilton and Arnie together in a Terminator movie, could have been so much more.
I really wanted to hate this movie. And I did.
What a crying shame that Arnold stooped to this and Linda Hamilton...I mean, has she done anything since Terminator ? Her I can understand but Arnold? What a shame.
As so many others have pointed out, this was nothing but an awful reboot of Terminator 2: Judgement Day with a really bad spin on it. I gave it one additional star rating ("Bad" instead of "Terrible") only because it had some really good CGI effects in a few scenes. The story was utter nonsense and the "woke" spin on it made it almost unwatchable.
Do not watch this. This is not part of the original Terminator franchise. It has the name and a couple of the faces but this movie is to the Terminator franchise what Resurrections was to The Matrix.
Absolutely awful.
PS: You know what? I changed my mind: This really was "Terrible"; not just "Bad". This movie just sucked.
Pretty good action/sci-fi in its own right, and a good showing from the cast. The main thing working against it is the weight of the franchise, and even though they did a good job with the remixes, it's increasingly hard to keep on messing with timelines and get it right.
The whole movie is one hundred percent been there, done that and took lots of pictures. There is no original new idea in there.
I loved Linda Hamilton in the old movies but she looks like she's 80 years old here and doesn't sell the character any more. And I'm really tired of those undefeatable Terminators until the last minute plot twist.
And what kind of stupid writing is it that you basically have the means to end that Terminator all the time and don't use it ?
6.5/10 - Quite a lot of action but ultimately a forgetable story, unfortunately. The "evil" terminator is portrayed well as a really frightening/scary (mainly to the fast movement) and basically unkillable machine. Technically it doesn't make a lot of sens, of course. It wasn't actually scary though because I didn't really care much about the characters and most of the time it seemed far to unlikely that the protagonists would already die. And the time traveling doesn't make it any better (I usually dislike time traveling in movies and TV shows but there are a few exceptions).
Anyway, lots of action, some fun, a few cool scenes, even a bit of love, and nice CGI but that's about it.
In the future, robots turn against man, but we don't learn know why they do. They just want to kill all the people alive. They also never explain how the robots are powered and why they never have to charge their batteries.
In the original Terminator, Arnold never needed to charge his batteries either. But, in today's world with mobile phones, we know batteries die. The robot just changes from liquid to metal to flesh and never drains of power. Is it solar powered? You can't have a machine that needs no power source. Unless God made it.
And who would build something with no off switch? Maybe in the past people didn't ask these questions, but the average person knows more about technology now and doesn't take everything at face value anymore.
Basically they show a robot that is all powerful and expect us to be afraid. I didn't feel the fear. I didn't buy it. I guess I should just start running and ask questions later! But Instead I turned it off.
Welp, this is probably the 3rd or 4th least worst Terminator movie for me, which isn't saying much considering they keep making the exact same movie over and over expecting different results. It's pure insanity. T1, T2, and then tied in a far distant 3rd place are Salvation/Dark Fate. The others are a waste of time and space. This franchise is a disaster. Kill it, melt it down, leave it in a scrap yard. Stop. Please. Let it die.
Just another boring st*pid feminist non sense film. Tired of inclusive politically correct movies
I thought I was going to dislike this but it turned out to be a decent action movie with Arnold, Hamilton and Terminators. The movie would really have to stink to negate those characters and Terminator: Dark Fate only smells a little.
I'll never buy it unless it's part of some massive box set with the early films in it, but it was fine as a rental or freebie.
It's not perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot more than all the other movies after T3. And I'm not sad Mackenzie Davis is appearing in more and more things.
[7.5 of 10] An exciting sci-fi action flick. I really enjoyed Linda Hamilton in this role - give me more women in action movies who have lived life & take no shit. I am so here for it. Mackenzie Davis is a certified badass & an absolute pleasure to watch in this role. The dynamic between her & Natalia Reyes gave just enough soul to this film so it wasn't entirely popcorn fodder. I haven't seen all of the Terminator films so I can't say much regarding any potential rehashing of previous plots but I had a lot of fun watching this film coming in with no expectations but to see an action-filled sci-fi flick & I was not disappointed.
Was this movie flawless, no. Was it charming, yes. Carl stole the show for me. His last line was perfection.
Great comebacks, one of the best sequels and amazing new REV robots in a non stop action that only stop so that t800 talks about drapes and that he is now called Carl
Ok so... I originally give it a 5 but after watching all the movies on the same week finishing with this one i gotta update it to 4
+1 Initial Action was good
+1 Car chase
+1 Linda F, Hamilton (and just because of her I will watch this again in the future)
+1 Terminators (yeah I’m easy I love the terminators and it’s always nice to see them even if it’s in movies as bad as this one)
We were hoping for original material but the whole movie just recycles all previous terminators sigh
The movie is bearable until half way though... on this second view I was like... o it’s not that bad if you pass the obvious mood killers at the beginning right? But nah second part of the movie was like “the worst parts of the other terminators movies meets Fast and Furious”
Anyway after a let down like this there is always T1 and T2 to cheer me up
Before the title card appears, they take a dump on the ending of Terminator 2. It really sucks. It's almost like they wanted to reboot the franchise to start new sequels... that sounds familiar.
Seriously, every Terminator movie after T3 was created to be the first movie of a new trilogy. Then, when the movie underperformed, the sequels were cancelled. It's the same story for Salvation, Genisys, and now Dark Fate. Why can't Hollywood accept that this model isn't working?
Anyway, Terminator: Dark Fate is a 2019 sci-fi action thriller that's just as exciting as its subtitle (which is to say, not very). With each iteration of this franchise, the lore becomes astronomically more complex, all because they need to make a way for Arnold to reprise his role as the T-800 (hence the dump on T2). I was interested to see what they would do with Hamilton returning as Sarah Connor, and they hype her up to be some kind of "Terminator hunter", but she doesn't prove herself to be all that useful in the grand scheme of things. The movie could be made without her character, and almost nothing would be changed. Also, Linda Hamilton's acting felt odd at times.
However, I do like them going back to the roots of the first Terminator for the plot: a seemingly 'nobody' girl is on the run from a machine sent from the future to kill her, and the resistance sent her back a protector. It's simple enough to explain to someone over a water cooler conversation (unlike the plot of, say, Genisys), but effective enough to be the beating heart of the story. I like the design of the new Terminator-- Sorry, REV-9. He's actually menacing whenever he splits from his endo-skeleton, and Gabriel Luna does a great job portraying him. The CGI for REV-9 is actually really solid, and got a couple of "ooh, that's cool!"s out of me. The CGI of him leaping around like some sort of acrobat can sometimes look strange, but as a whole, that whole character is the most solid part of the movie.
The movie itself is kind of boring at parts, and some of the action feels too 'floaty', as if the characters are weightless. It seems like it's only rated R so they can drop a few more f-bombs (which actually felt unnecessary). All in all, it's not bad, but it's a bit rusty. Even though the future of the Terminator franchise is unknown (and we're bound to get another movie in 5-9 years), maybe it's time this tired metal endo-skeleton of a series is put to rest.
"Expect a big ping, brother. My whole body's a weapon."
We have been here over and over again; what could they possible do different? Bringing back Linda Hamilton was a good move and making the new terminator have some charm (thanks to Gabriel Luna) definitely helped. I would say near the end this movie felt a tad bit long, and the new direction is cool, but maybe we can give this series a rest.
By far the 3rd best terminator movie that ends the trilogy in a perfect way. It captures the same vibe as the first 2 and finally proves that Sarah is actually the true hero of the terminator saga.
Come for the Linda Hamilton. Stay for the Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger synergy that hasn't died even all these years later. Leave before the corpse of anything good starts decomposing in the film.
The key issue is STAR POWERing the way through the movie's credibility. Linda and Arnold get all the best lines, but they're supposed to be secondary characters. A vehicle for these two characters is great and all, but had it been rewritten to focus on them, it would have been much better than what we ended up with. Instead they're used to constantly draw attention AWAY from the chief protagonist and antagonist. The focal disruption denies the narrative any impetus when "oh, someone who isn't Linda or Arnold died? Shame, that." happens.
I know there are mixed reviews on this and it’s basically a remake of the first, which people don’t like.
But, hey it’s a money maker and they’re introducing it to a new generation. It was fantastic to have Linda Hamilton & Arnie back, but they can’t continue forever, nor can the John Connor story; the latter has been done so many times, and his story has played out.
Forgetting your love for the originals, it was still an enjoyable film and now they’ve a new direction to go to keep the iconic Terminator going.
Probably not a popular opinion I’ve shared, but they want to make money.
Not my favourite out of all the terminator films, as I’m not a fan of the changes either. But things change, like it or not.
I loved it because Arnie my hero was in it, and I can’t give it any less than 7, even at that I feel guilty lol.
Bye Arnie :muscle_tone2::wave:
Terrible movie but at least Grace was in love with Dani. Really cute.
WHY DID SO MANY CHARACTERS DIE????????
Its more good then terminator genesys.
Better than the previous one, but still relying heavily on nostalgia. At least they had the balls to kill Arnold
I have loved the terminator series over the years. I enjoyed this one..but not as much. I found towards the late middle on, I was just wanting it to end. Sarah Conner complete bad ass that looked phenomenal!
Is this produced by Netflix? This was painful to watch.
The action sequences that used CGI (most) were pretty bad, I've played video games with better physics.
Story wise, it's just T1+T2 mashup with a modern day take, the only parts that were actually interesting were those played by Arnold and Linda, everyone else's script was pretty lame. The character arcs of Dani and Grace aren't very compelling in the way they're presented. The T-800 in T2 was a better guardian angel than the augmented human this movie's future generation sent back in time. Maybe the director wanted to justify the highly neurotic "super soldier", very counterproductive and by my calculations had a 0% chance of saving Dani on her own.
For me this takes the 5th place in the Terminator franchise, here's my rank:
I know, Genesys, but somehow I still liked that one better.
I was not expecting much from this movie but it surprised me that it turned out fairly decent. I've come to expect the convoluted retconning so that wasn't surprising but I think it was handled fairly well and it wasn't as cheesy as some of the others which was also nice. A solid action movie.
Great reset for the Terminator universe.
If only they did had used the correct camera angle I wouldn't have been so pissed off and felt that they did injustice to the T101.
Better than previous terminator movie
Mackenzie Davis saved this movie, good to see linda Hamilton....we missed you :)
Really enjoyed this T movie. Good to see Arnie back and Grace was excellent. Well worth a watch.
3 Thoughts After Watching ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’:
Extra Note: This was the best Terminator film since T2, hands down.
There should have a line for Legend CARL.
Carl to Reve-9: Respect your father.
Arnold my man. :heart: :black_heart:
What the Script (fuck)? I was wondering why this movie didn't create that much buzz, u couldn't hire a better script writer? U just fucking replaced John with Dani and T-800 with Grace. Goddamn, no wonder this lost 130 million, that said the action sequences were fucking amazing, but as we can clearly see, A SCI-FI ACTION MOVIE IS NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT A GREAT PLOT (which is fucking original and not recycled) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't take me wrongly by the rating I gave it, but I just think it should have been a more original than what it was when you think about the past movies of the same franchise. I liked the movie, but it could have been better too.
It was nice seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger again in a Terminator movie aswell as Linda Hamilton.
I really don't know where they're going to go from here, but time will tell and we might actually see more of Natalia Reyes in this franchise.
Its not a bad movie - But there is nothing original about it.
I don't know what to say. They took T1/T2, mashed it together and removed John.
They already got the bill presented as the movie flopped.
Diversity makes a movie neither better nor worse - I just hope the industry gets that soon.
It was decent fun but this movie had nothing new to say.
They should just stop because all these movies are saying that apocalypse is going to happen no matter what.
First of all it's a good action movie. But nothing new.
The two new "Terminator" was awesomes. Mackenzie Davis and Gabriel Luna stole the show. It was an another battle. Not the full war.
I'm really enjoy this, it's the best Terminator movie after T1&T2. I hope next time we get more than "a simple escape".
Fantastic action movie. Great cast and generally a good story.
Looks promising. But who knows, could bet crap.
Shout by Edgar IpiñaBlockedParent2019-11-22T12:52:25Z
It was not what I expected from this movie, James Cameron, made a copy of Terminator 2 but Mexicanized. I, a loyal Terminator fan, got out of the salamde cinema :pensive::see_no_evil: