At this point I simply couldn't care less if it isn't exactly like the books, this show is setting a new standard for sci-fi and storytelling like The Expanse did a couple years ago or the Wachowski's did a few decades ago. Apple TV is winning the streaming war right now ( if we judge on quality )
I’m convinced the writer of this show never read foundation … or hates it, because the themes in this tv show are the complete opposite of the books.
The visuals and empire story were good, the rest, utter crap.
So good, but haters gonna hate!
Can't wait for next season
Damn, I'm disappointed right now. It started off so well with the first episode. But with each passing episode it felt more like two different shows. One on Trantor about Empire. Which was fucking amazing science fiction and mesmerizing to watch. But also one on Terminus about the Foundation itself. Which felt like a cheap SyFy spinoff in the same universe. Very bizarre.
Still an entertaining watch throughout but it could have been so much better.
But brother day and dawn will remember her ...
It's a good thing I haven't read the books so I have no idea why some are bummed and disappointed. This was a great episode and a very good season finale. A solid 8 from me.
What a waste of source material. Lee Pace was the only thing good from this.....thing.
Brilliant season finale. The storyline stretching over centuries now just feels so epic. Can‘t wait for Season Two.
This show is a sooooo freely made adaptation, that doesn’t deserve to be called Foundation.
It’s a very good show, a terrific show indeed. Exceptionally manufactured. But the plot and characters differ in such abysmal ways from the original one, that nobody who read the books could resonate with it.
I’m expecting another season for sure. As I said, it’s a very good show. But from now on I will consider it as an independent or original story. Not related at all with what I read so many years ago.
I barely could watch the second half on the season and I got the ending that made me want another season ASAP... oh f my life.
Dreadful episode... it's getting worse and worse
Okay. Stop it. Time out. I’m blowing the whistle. That was something better than great. Wow. Wow. Wow. I was over here doing math talking about how it wouldn’t add up, and then they threw in a negative number. Oh my god.
So, Seldon is the Vault, he tells the colonists and the Thespians and the Anacreons that they have to work together in secret to build up an army to eventually overthrow the Empire. And what about the second foundation? At least all his planning came true in a roundabout way, since Salvor turns out (what a surprise) to be Gaal's daughter. Though, why would Mari carry Gaal and Raysh's child and not her own? She can get pregnant, that much was clear on the ship, so why not choose your own eggs but those of a supposed murderer? Again, an ill-explained plotdevice, only to explain Salvor's weirdness and then have a reunion on deserted Synnax (who will they leave that planet now?).
Then we have the Empire... Day struggles over killing Dawn - or maybe he just appears to be struggling, and Demerzel simply snaps Dawn's neck while he's ruminating. And he learns that the genetic defects didn't start with Dawn, but that everyone, save maybe Cleon I's genetic material has been affected. Again, Day and Demerzel are the highlights of this show.
Overall, average ending to an average/uneven season. I think if it weren't for the Empire trinity I'd have long since abandoned this show.
The series takes some ideas from the novels, but then goes it alone. Some things that happen are kind of weird
To bad that we're going to have to wait until next year for the next episode. This draged out gap between seasons is why people just forget or give up on a series.
cheap dialogs and boring story on terminus.
Trantor and empire parts are great though.
I'll cross my fingers for a better season 2
About 30 mins too long. Wasted a lot of time with Salvor... Great series, even if it doesn't follow the books, but this episode was probably the worst of them IMHO.
A little forced, but still a good emotional payoff at the end.
And, the earlier culminations were rewarding as well, and didn't seem forced (and there were several).
Yes, tears of sadness, tears of joy (even for the bad guy & poor Demerzel)
Despite how much I still enjoy the Empire plot, this episode really wants to make me quit in frustration with how stupid and amateurish the rest is. And I'm mad that they've now completely ruined Gaal, after doing so from the beginning with Captain Fortnight.
Captain Fortnight: "I'm Salvor Hardin..."
Me: "No, you're not."
Captain Fortnight: "I'm Salvor Hardin..."
Me: "No. You're not."
You ever notice it's insecure people who say their name every chance they get? It's like the writers actually do know the character they've made is badly conceived and written, and that it in no way makes sense for the plot they shoved them into, so they just keep having them say their name over and over.
>Fake AI Hari: "This wasn't about preserving knowledge—"
Yes, yes it was. That was the whole point of THE ENCYCLOPEDISTS of Terminus. Oh, you don't remember having heard that term before? Because that's what the First Foundation was: a colony full of fuckin' bookworms. They weren't armed with anything but the invaluable collective knowledge of humanity, because the predicted "Fall" was due to malignant ignorance and dysfunction... Not that anything in the show even hints at this, and despite the made-up über ship Invictus seems directly pulled out of a season outline where the Empire's technology is already in decline—which is the only way a 200-year-old ship would be a threat to anyone.
The value of The Foundation was the consistent, unbroken preservation, practice, and continuation of knowledge. That's how they fomented their power—through trade, and actually knowing how to produce high technology required for anything above feudal tribal warring. They became the priesthood of atomics, and were revered because of their knowledge, thus making them indispensable to their planetary neighbors.
That's how they brokered peace and formed alliances. Salvor Hardin was a diplomat, not some magical, "chosen one" YA action hero trope sandwich.
They stole the outline and completely misunderstood and misrepresented everything about it. It's like watching Idiocracy unfold in the most ironic way possible, when something that was about continuation of knowledge completely makes a liar out of the architect, instead making him some egotistical, undying god-figure.
>2020 pop fiction writing handbook: Does the character have a beard? Asshole loser liar sad man booo. Oh, wait, but does he have muscles? Oh, daddy, yes. Do me, daddy.
We're like a parody of ourselves at this point.
The Empire plot is, surprisingly still good, despite how much this show loves hollow, cheap, emotional jump scares. Still an abomination of Demerzel's character, but it was good drama.
More mediative and focused on the relationships between characters than the previous episodes. I liked all the mother-daughter talks between Mari and Salvor, her peace-making with the Anacreon leader when they plant together a tree native to Anacreon planet also had some Tolkienian vibes.
The digital Hari Seldon continues his pep talk and reveals that the murder of the Anacreon huntress on her wedding day to the Thespian prince, which started the long-lasting enmity between these planets, was in fact orchestrated by the Empire, afraid of the unity of these planets. It is a bit surprising that both nations quickly believe this new story and are open to the suggestion of peace Hari presents to them, urging them to unite against the Empire, do the very thing the Empire was scared of. This is of course good that they choose peace but I don't think very realistic psychologially after long centuries of strife between nations. Hari also advises them to use the Invictus to create a cosmic flare so that the Empire thinks they are all dead, which is promptly followed under the command of Hugo, who now has the captaincy of the Invictus. It is only a pity the actual flare is never shown in the show. After learning that Hari never sent her her visions, Salvor continues to have them and in one of them sees a young girl whom we viewers know to be Gaal. Salvor's mum confirms that Gaal and Raych are really Sal's biological parents, and she want to immediately set off to search of Gaal, without saying goodbye to Hugo. Hugo catches up with her, however, and they say their goodbyes. I guess they never see each other again. Later on, Gaal is shown to arrive on her home planet where everything looks flooded. She notices a little red light under water and plays a bit of Witcher 3 here, diving to find the blinking red point ;) it turns out to be Sal's casket, and in this way biological mother and her daugher meet for the first time. I guess travelling in cryo pods makes one immortal in some sense, since one doesn't age while in the pod and so can survive centuries being still young? Poor Hugo is probably long dead by now.
Things go west for the clone brothers and their situation is more serious than they thought before. Day releases the youngest brother and then takes the gardener girl for a walk, explaining to her that the thing he wants the most is for all the clones to be identical and she destroyed it all. He claimes to have tracked all people that ever had anything to do with her and informs her that they are all killed on his order so that nobody would remember her. She is to be kept in some sort of sensory deprivation tank till he dies. As for Dawn, Day is inclined to show clemency, whereas Dusk would prefer to kill him straightaway, and the brothers begin to fight, which seems to something new among them. The robot woman kills the youngest clone, in what looks like her own decision, taken according to her to protect the dynasty as itself and not as an individual clone. Though maybe she feels sorry about it later on as removes all her fake skin so that she looks like a metal robot. Day definitely looks sorry for Dawn being dead. Though it turns out that the underground managed to contaminate the original clone, so that all new clones, including Day, are corrupted. I wonder whether they would now be killed by the robot lady (her name is still hard to spell for me).
Shout by GreeneidalVIP 9BlockedParent2021-11-19T05:50:36Z— updated 2021-11-24T18:31:14Z
Damn it...now I'll probably end up watching whatever they come up with next.