Bran: I can never be Lord of Winterfell, I can never be Lord of anything, I'm the Three-eyed Raven.
Also Bran: I'm the King.
"iF yOu ThInK tHiS hAs A hApPy eNDinG, yOu hAvEn'T beEN pAyInG aTteNtIOn"
Literally everyone except Daenerys got a happy clean ending.
This episode and this season as a whole have been a complete and utter disaster. the decline of storytelling quality from the last seasons is shocking. The show is barely recognizable at this point.
A character who wasn't a contender for the throne ended up on it even though they have done absolutely nothing this whole season, had lots of potential to make for a very interesting role but was ignored and swept aside then suddenly elected king.
Daenerys's character being completely butchered as she was turned from someone who never showed the slightest disregard to innocents' safety to someone who commits mass genocide and shows no remorse afterwards, all in the span of 2 episodes.
So many character arcs were neglected or wrapped up poorly. Jon being reduced to a secondary character with a combination of three sentences of dialogue, Jaime's development being thrown out the window, Cersei barely doing anything and then getting killed by bricks, Tyrion, the master tactician, turning to a gossiping idiot then getting promoted after he quits his job (seriously?)
So many plot points were discarded or turned out insignificant. Azor Ahai, Jon's lineage, The Lord of Light, Cersei's prophecy...etc
The whole White Walkers storyline being eliminated in one episode, then the whole Iron Throne storyline being eliminated as well in the end (FFS)
So much shit not making the slightest bit of sense. Dany's army multiplying, Arya's impenetrable plot armor, The North getting the independence while the Iron Islands didn't when they were the first ones to demand it, Drogon not killing Jon after he killed Daenerys, hell, the Dothraki and the Unsullied not killing Jon after he killed Daenerys, The point of the Night's Watch now that the WW are gone. Tyrion being in chains and holding up a presidential vote over who would run the 6 republics. HBO c'mon man.
Overall the pacing was too fast and inconsistent, the ending was rushed, anti-climactic and nonsensical. This couldn't have ended in a worse way. Kudos to D&D!
What a wonderful ending to an 8 year journey. I am very pleased with it :D
They did the God Emperor ending hahahahahahaha I was fucking right the entire time. Suck my omniscient cock. In case you are unfamiliar, there is a book series called "Dune" that George RR Martin is a huge fan of. In the later books the main character is Leto Atreides II and Bran's story very much mirrors his own. They're born into noble families, are forced to journey out at a very young age because of the politics around them, they both have a sort of transformation that happens to them that makes them lose their humanity but grants them certain power, etc. Long story short, he is essentially this omniscient being that ascends to being "God Emperor of Dune" and his main purpose is to teach the human race not to rely on political systems and higher echelons of society to determine their fate. Now put this into the context of Game of Thrones, both in the show and in the book the first true point where we see an injustice happen to protect the power structure is Bran being thrown out of the Window and crippled, then throughout the rest of the story we see this boy who should be dead become the most powerful living being in the world, capable of taking control of even other humans. Now to have this first victim of politicking to be the savior against those very schemes is hugely symbolic, especially because he can force people to do what he wants but chooses not to. As Tyrion says he has an incredible story (which may be referencing the fact George took much of it from another book) and his position essentially "Breaks the Wheel".
Now that I have that out of the way.
Pros
+The aftermath of the battle was AMAZINGLY shot, one of the best sequences in all of GOT if not THE best
+Tyrion and Jon's conversation was great
+Dany's final scene was amazing and I love that Drogon melted the throne as if saying "If she can't have it no one can" and simultaneously symbolizing the end for the rat race for who would claim it (although the way he took off with her body was a little weird)
+The meeting of the lords was well done for the most part, particularly with Tyrion's proposal
+ending sequence regarding the different paths of the remaining "Starks" where each seemed to perfectly fit all of them
+Brienne's entry into the Book of the Kingsguard regarding Jaime
Neutral
*I actually loved the pace of this last season but the assassination of Dany did happen REALLY fast. I'm not sure if that was a bad thing though. I think I just expected Jon to go along with her for a little bit longer
Cons
-Grey Worm was annoying. They could have done a better job with his writing
-Not gonna lie, I enjoyed a lot of the scenes but they could've been shorter and spent more time on the assassination of Dany and/or immediate implications of it whereas they chose to skip ahead a bit after that
Not gonna lie, I have had my ups and downs with the show. I have seen them leave out the most important scene in the entire book with the House of the Undying, I've seen Dany be a merciless power hungry bitch and have the fans cheer her and then her continue to do so and fans claim it's inconsistent writing, I've seen the poetic beauty of the Hold the Door scene and the hack job that somehow decided that Littlefinger marrying Sansa to Ramsay made any sense, but I must say... This season has saved the show. Them retroactively making Dany's idiotic writing make sense because it turns out she was fucking crazy, saved that character. Having Jon fulfill the Azhor Ahai prophecy by stabbing his lover through her heart and seeing Kit Harrington grow into the role and turn into a great actor after being very weak at the start was amazing. Seeing Arya finally put the assassin skills to the test with the Night King, Sansa becoming Queen of the North, Davos keeping everyone straight on the moral path, Tyrion becoming hand, the Cleganebowl, all of it.... It was unexpected how good this season was.
I actually liked the ending. To me most characters went full circle and had a fitting ending. I understand that some people don't like it and I think that season 08 was rushed to much and not build up enough. But the actual ending felt good to me and fitting with the characters...
- Jon: Doesn't want to be king and has said this since s01 (he's just a bastard) and his (Ned) Stark level of honor has always been what defines him.
- Arya: Since s01 didn't want to be a lady and although I loved her love interest with Gendry I found it fitting for her to leave.
- Bran: Sees and knows all as the 3 eyed raven and has done so much in the series, such a big character in the books and he knew he couldn't be lord because he was going to be king. Do I think they explained it enough in the series? No, that could've been handled beter but still a fitting end for him.
- Jaime dieing with his true love (Cersei) because they belonged together was fitting for me as well. He knows his sister is bad and poisonous but he feels he doesn't deserve a good live with Brienne and will always love his sister. The way HOW they died should've been beter
- Sansa: Queen of the North? Hell yeah, obvious.... The North Remembers...
- Tyrion: Fitting end, he knows things and drinks wine...
-Danny: Since season 1 was obvious to me she wasn't 100% a good person and was capable of horrific things (like crucifieing the slavers without any emotion... Couple that with Dragons and losing all the people she loved and trusted.... Obvious to me she was going to become totally cray cray. So her ending was a proper one to me. They should've perhaps elaborated more on this because can imagine that to some viewer it was a bit sudden and out of the blue....
To me it feels like some people just hate it because the ending was different than what they had in mind or had immagined...
Not the best ending we could have and this last saison seem really rush but I was expecting so much worse I'm happy with this.
Apart from the final stretch that led to the events of the previous episode, I wouldn't change a thing. It was the perfect ending to a great show - for me, one of the greatest.
It's sad to see it go but damn, it was worth every minute spent watching it as well as discussing it.
Hopefully at least one of the spin-offs will come to life a few years down the road and if they manage to capture even a glimpse of the feeling that this one had, it'll be pure nostalgia.
At least they don’t have to build a new throne now that Bran is king.
What a way to end this huge series!
Taken in isolation where the final season is concerned, this was a solid finale. Once I set aside the rushed nature of some things in earlier episodes by pretending that this was episode ten of the season instead of episode six, I was able to appreciate most of it.
Having said that, there has never been a book or a TV show or a movie where every reader or viewer was happy with the way that everything ended, and that probably goes double or triple for adaptations. Where TV is concerned, I'm beginning to think that shows that are cancelled without warning are the lucky ones, at least for the writers. Sure, fans might be angry about a cliffhanger that goes unresolved because of Those Dang Suits At Corporate, but that seems to pale in comparison to the anger that gets vented when the writers choose to wrap things up in ways that some fans don't like.
To quote the one true queen, RuPaul:
"Meh."
Such an anticlimactic and disappointing ending
So Game of Thrones is musical chairs and the guy who wins is the one who was sitting the whole time
Booooooooooooo! Booooooo! throws vegetables at TV and hissing in Peasantry
It seems like you either hated or loved this series finale. I thought it was just... okay?! Am I allowed to say it was okay?
Tommy Wiseau could have done it better, surely. Bollocks.....
That ending was so disappointing, I cannot even describe with words the letdown. I'm just happy is over, and we got at least closure. Time to move on to other shows, and forget this season ever happen.
This may have been the most boring tv episode I have ever watched. This season was like, ok, we don't want to do this show anymore lets wrap it up as quick as possible, but the last episode lets just have everyone sit around and talk.
Worst season ever... this will make Lost final look a masterclass
I'm glad this is almost over
And sadly this great tv show has come to an end
Bruh
(This review needs to be at least five words.)
And now my watch has ended.
For the past few years I always heard everyone saying it has a bad ending, but I don't see it that way, everything had to happen in the way it did.
I think it was the perfect ending that the show needed. But maybe it just happened too soon
If you have sympathy for the Lannisters, just know, you're the reason that oppression exists in this world. You're the reason that people are beaten, tortured, sexually assaulted, raped, and murdered. It's b/c, you feel this faux sympathy for their oppressors. It's not real sympathy; it's only lip-service, b/c real sympathy involves action to support those in need of assistance. Sympathy comes in finite supplies and should be reserved for those being oppressed, not those oppressing. The fact that the writers felt the need to make the death of the Lannisters a sympathetic moment says that they're really a danger to society, b/c they found good qualities in violent, sadistic, murderous, torturous subhumans. If you find good qualities in those like that, there's something very, very wrong w/ you. To listen to that lying, conniving, cowardly mutt, Tyrion Lannister, moralize was sickening.
And, this was the single worst episode I'd ever had the displeasure of watching to end a series. What a pile of shit. The writers and showrunners should never work in television or film again.
really enjoyed watching the show and I think it had a great ending. I am going to miss the characters
The final seasons of the series weren't the strongest, but the finale is nowhere near as bad as online opinion had me think. It's perfectly fine.
it might be because i kept on hearing how bad it was that my expectations were very bad. but i didnt think it was a horrible ending it was fine
I really liked this episode quite a bit!
despite winning the "GREAT" war in one battle in Winterfell in one episode, i still was able to forgive them coz the following was good especially concerning daenarys but they really should have stopped at Jon killing her.
Very dissatisfied and disappointed by the ending
Dragons truly are intelligent creatures. It knew it was the throne that no one should ever sit upon again. I'm glad with how the story has ended. Although I wanted Jon to be king, I'm content with Bran being king as well even though he doesn't want it. Maybe only those who don't really want to rule were fit to be rulers. Kinda strange. What else is strange are the others' comments. There is no way Daenerys could've kept her rule, she was beginning to look like her father. It was so out of character for her to say "They don't get to choose" when Jon asked her what of others' good... A slaver's mindset. Might've been the beginning of her losing her mind.
Watched on HBO Max. I have no idea why some people criticized so bad this finale. It was not that bad. There is a message about what is right and evil, and that queen Daenerys was not on the right side. Jon Snow ends up paying for his sins, and the new king, Bran of House Stark, is the rightful king. It seems like after years of wars and destruction, the people of Westeros finally decided that peace was necessary if they did not want to be conquered and exterminated by peoples from across the sea. I believe that is a clear message, and that years of peace and prosperity will come under King Bran's rule. Tyron from House Lannister will be by his side, and thanks to his experience and knowledge about different kings, nobles, and cultures, he will do the right job. It is a new opportunity for Westeros to start a renaissance. The strength of women like Sansa and Arya is also worth mentioning, about how they have changed over the years. And many other things that happen, that represent something, but I am not saying to not do a spoiler. In conclusion, the finale is not what the millennial audience expected, because the previous episodes were so bad, turning into many narrative inconsistencies, without any meaning or symbolism, but this final one had all the elements to make it a good episode. Sometimes it reminded me of Lord of the Rings, but it would have comparable to it if all the final season was made well. The millennial audience wanted their queen Daenerys to be the good girl, but they should understand what she meant for Westeros: destruction. Some would even say that Daenerys is the prototype of some sort of proto-bolshevism in Westeros, while Bran Stark is the holder of the traditions and the aristocratic system that was part of Westeros since its inception. Maybe that is what the audience did not like much, the fact that what represents Bran won. Anyways, I am satisfied with what I have seen.
Jon Snow: "You are my queen. Now and always
For years I have been listening to people say how bad the series finale of GoT is, and just now, as I finish the very last episode, a few years after the show ended, I guarentee you, it is THAT BAD. I loved the show, and that's why I get so frustated, it's not fair, I feel robbed. I do like some parts of it, but generally speaking, this is one of the worst series finales I ever watched.
I still don't know if I liked it or not. I just finished it, this time the whole series in a row, and still don't know what I expected. I don't even know which number to choose to evaluate this episode. I guess the season was too fast and they did not develop everything correctly but the ending may be good. I don't know. I think I need to watch it again... and again... and again.
I hate Bran's blank expression after he became the three-eyed raven. And I hate those generic responses that he gives to everything everyone says to him. "You were exactly where you were supposed to be." "You did exactly what you had to do." I find it very frustrating that he implies that he knew everything that was going to happen, and yet he allowed it. In fact, I think I'm more frustrated that he was chosen king. Not because I really have something against the character, because in general I like him - and I confess that seeing the Starks turning around like that warms my heart - but because it sounds SO random.
I have my reservations for this final episode. I don't just see defects. It's technically flawless. As for the creative decisions regarding the fate of the characters, the biggest problem is what I mentioned in the last episode: lack of time to develop. Reducing the last two seasons, especially this one, was a shot in the foot. And I say this because many of the things that happened in those six final episodes were being rehearsed on the show from the beginning. I'm finishing this marathon now, it's the third time I've seen the entire series (the first after it was officially finished) and I managed to catch several signs, since the first season, that it would end like this. I think they even weighed their hand in some dialogues throughout the season, some of them were too expositive in an attempt to draw to the audience in a hurry something that was subtly shown in the previous ones.
Anyway, Daenerys' death will always be too painful for me. Drogon's roar always shivers me. It was too unfair. She deserved more. She deserved better.
I finish the series satisfied. Game of Thrones was never conventional and that ending escaped that, too. As I mentioned two years ago, it was bittersweet. Could it be bigger and more epic? No doubt. But even with the stumbles, it doesn't erase the grandeur of this story and all the achievements of the past seasons. I know it won't be long before I revisit these characters. For now and again, my watch is ended.
Now this episode wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. I mean, there were better ways that you could have ended a great series such as this one but I can live with it.
One thing I wish they had done is given a more satisfying ending for Danerys, she died so suddenly and she was such a great character that her ending just wasn't satisfactory enough for me.
This is a shameful way to end such a great series. So much buildup and it leads to this!
Feel so sad for Jon, you are the rightful king no matter what!
Okay...thinking about it. The Starks have their own titles:
Jon, The King Beyond the Wall..
Sansa, The Queen in The North
Bran, The King of Westeros
Arya, The Queen of the Unknown? lol
If I look at it that way, the ending's pretty okay.. still... I want MOOOAAAARRR
meh. Jon made the most difficult of decisions and yet he just got a below "okay" ending. The Starks are all separated, going their own ways.. I just feel like this series' ending was rushed, no time to absorb things that are happening.
Peter Dinklage steals this episode and has the best scenes, it was quite moving when Tyrion found the bodies of his siblings, and his later speech about the stories as the only thing bringing people together is also touching. The impromptu coronation of Bran seems too hurried and a bit improbable since Tyrion was a prisoner and everybody agreed to his idea of choosing Bran a king. The scene with Brienne writing Jaimie's story in the Book of Brothers is moving too, and the Song of Ice and Fire Sam brought was a bit of a Tolkienian accent as a throwback to the Red Book of Westmarch written by Bilbo and Frodo. The ending showing the parallel fates of the rest of Stark siblings looks great, the ending may be rushed a bit but at least most of my favourite characters are alive at the end of the Game of thrones which is definitely a plus.
At least Darnerys got what she deserved. But a poor episode, and a bad end to a great show.
Please, never ever make a TV show about a series of books that isn't finished yet.
I’m stumped.
I thought I’d hate the season and the finale, just like almost everyone is doing, but I thought it was perfect. Incredible last episode.
The end sequence, when Jon comes to a certain realisation, is something I unexpectedly smiled at. I loved it.
I don’t understand how the “writing was crappy”, as folks are saying; because it was magnificent. This is what the entire series was made for: an unexpected turn, just as GRRM wanted.
How can anyone say character development was lost when it was everything?!
I hope the spin-off shows us Arya’s adventures in the West!
It's been a journey. The theme I see the creators going for is that the greatest threat isn't the white walkers, it's each other. Issues that I have with the ending of the series was Dany took out ALL the scorpions and the fleet with her one dragon? Like, it wasn't even a contest. And this is already after her army fought the dead. Just seems that things should've been more evenly matched.
Bran swooping in and getting the crown, nice twist, but seems just a little off. Bran has been getting on my nerves. He's like one of those holier than thou guys I try to avoid on Sundays. I wish they kept more of his humanity. Dany's change to mad queen seems it could've been more motivated, maybe they could've injured Drogon or something happened with Jon. And what's up with Drogon burning the throne? The symbolism seemed a bit on the nose.
Greyworm as the loyal servant, a little racialized,
Personally would've wanted more of an arc with the white walkers. Dany going mad, if that was the direction, fine. That should've spanned a few more episodes.
Overall, still entertaining, but I just didn't feel as connected in this last episode to all the characters. Night King, that might've been better as a final boss, I'm still debating.
It's not a perfect ending. But quoteing Bran: "Everything were excatly how they were supposed to be."
-gonna oause my entire series rewatch, to really rewatch season 8, I have a lot of thoughts brewing.
still made you watch in anticipation but Dani's transformation, total lack of usefull lines for John , Arya's near escape via de white horse @ episode 5 only to ... do nothing in episode 6 and almost everything abound the ending made this the worst season of got
let's just hope the new books (if the books will ever be made) will feel better put together and logical then the series.
I wish there were negative numbers for rating this episode. There's disappointment, disbelief, then unadulterated anger at the writers for ending this great show with such a heaping pile of dog sh*t. I hope to God that GRRM completes the series so I can see the actual way we get to the true ending.
I liked the end, things have gone fast this season. We will miss some of you :grinning:
Bran, Kind of the mobile throne
I like how Arya trained to become an assassin for two seasons, had the prophecy of killing someone with brown eyes, blue eyes and green eyes, then decided not to kill green-eyed Cersei because of one sentence said by the Hound and wasn't much interested in killing green-eyed Daenerys only to become Dora the Explorer in the end. How satisfying.
when the song of ice and fire book came out - that was the moment this show jumped the shark. Unbelievable. It looked more like a joke scene to put on the dvd extras. I can’t believe the actors took it seriously and it was actually part of the show. One of many reasons this last episode was beyond terrible.
上大学的时候开始追的这个剧，给我们一个另一个世界的新鲜观感。只是最后我还是想知道我们的龙母是不是还活着。打分的话可以打到至少85分。
I AM happy to see this TV，it is very nice.
meh meh meh meh meh
What a way to kill a series like that. As a book reader I will be waiting for TWoW, well, being waiting for 6 years by now.
A couple of touching scenes but the rest... TO THE TOILET Y'ALL.
1 point for the Queen in the North
The only thing that's frustrating is that the series is over !!! As for the end itself if nothing else this series proved to be anything other than predictable !!!
I feel extremely disappointed...
After the desaster of The Bells, this is the best they could’ve come up with. I liked it, Peter Dinklage stole the show once again.
It was a good episode.I don't know why but I shed a tear during Drogon reacting to Danny's death.If they had gone with 10 Episodes it would have been much better at pacing.
It was a awesome journey. Like ending of every other major show people are complaining. Yeah there are genuine reasons too but it wasn't so bad(like dexter bad).
Well that was dissappointing :(
I truly can imagine how the writes sat together and said: "Hey, we have another 1.5h left to fill, how can we make this as boring as possible¿ We don't want fans to crave for another episode."
This was probably as good of a ending that could've been had after they decided to dracarys the ending via the penultimate episode..
Most of the problems of the past 2 seasons are the result of Dan & Dave being over Westeros and shortening the season's.. With so many storylines and character's to wrap up, there probably needed to be an additional season, with each of the last 3 being a full 10 episodes..
HBO offered to pay whatever and George asked the showrunner's.. They opted to rush the ending so they can get that Disney money..
That's why the Dany turn was so unearned.. I never liked her and noticed how much she enjoyed killing ppl.. But still, she was killing bad people.. But she was forced to make the jump from burning slavers to women in children quickly because of the writer's have a star wars franchise to milk..
I'm cool with the Dany assassination.. Don't understand why Drogon would destroy the throne but not kill Dany's killer.. If he was so wise to understand Jon did it to prevent Dany from burning down another city, perhaps Drogon would've just not willing burned down King's Landing..
So weird.
Thank god this is over now... The only parts that were actually good was Jon's interaction with Ghost and Sansa becoming the Queen of The North.
And now our watch has ended
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It's done, we have a new King and Queen.
(I'm not so happy about it, but that's what we have.)
This is the end of an era, so much memories...
Thanks for everything!
I should have felt more after 8 years. Went out with neither a bang or a whimper, it just kinda ended. Not too bad, not too good. Just… Middling. Some good moments but just felt... meh. I never expected a fairy-tale ending, but every character I cared about ended up alone. GRRM said the ending would be bittersweet, so I guess he was right. The series is said to have the same ending in the books, but it seems like D&D lacked the vision on how to get from point a to point b so they rushed it. I expect the books will get us there more satisfactorily.
There were just so many issues with the characterization choices this episode.
Bran as king? It seems like just a random choice. The only way this makes any sense to me is if Bran was the true villain. Manipulating everyone so he/the Third Eyed Raven could be king. That’s why he told Jon the truth about his parents – to create divide, it drove Daenerys mad knowing that the throne she has been fighting for could be easily snatched away from her. But the show failed at showing how insanely powerful Bran is and wasted his entire character and power set - he’s the Three Eyed Raven, but we never get to see the things he can do. Nothing has been explained about the point of his character change to the Three Eyed Raven or his role until just abruptly being elected for kind, and most of those people at the council had no understanding of who he had become or what he’d gone through. This season he just sat in chair and delivered emotionless dialogue. And they never explained what Bran was doing during the war of winterfell, “I’m going to go now.” GO WHERE?
I wasn’t happy with Jon going back to the wall. I know he never wanted to rule. He didn’t fit in as a Stark or a Targaryen. It was the wildlings who didn’t care about his background. He rejects both of what his namesakes expect of him, either King of the North or the next Mad King. And it makes sense his character ends the way it did. BUT he should have choose that path himself and gave up the throne, not being forced to, not having someone exiting him to the North.
The North decides that it will secede from the crown and all the other lords are just… cool with that? Really? That’s one of the most unbelievable things I’ve seen this show try to pull off.
Sansa literally told Jon last season that she didn’t want to be Queen in The North, which is how Jon became King in The North. But … now she wants to be Queen in The North because…? The northmen won’t bow to Ned Stark’s true male heir? Wouldn’t they be pretty happy to see the Lord of Winterfell become King of the Seven Kingdoms?
Dothraki suddenly civilised and allow the lords of Westeros into Kings Landing to choose a new king, how kind of them. And did the Unsullied sent ravens around the Seven Kingdoms asking for a council meeting while just kept Jon and Tyrion prisoners? All after seeing their leader killed. Grey Worm would have 100% killed both Jon and Tyrion, but the writers decided they needed a happy ending. Grey Worm said it himself that he controlled the city, they had all the ships etc., but minutes later the Unsullied and Dothraki just packed up and left?
Tyrion digging out Jamie and Cersei was heartbreaking. But they both looked remarkably unsmooshed under that rubble. Last week they made it look like the crypts were completely collapsing but now they’re just under a small pile of bricks with Jaime’s hand sticking out conveniently for Tyrion to find. In D&D's world, even corpses have plot armor.
A prisoner, who made mistake after mistake after mistake for half of the series, decided the mode of governance of Westeros. He managed to convince Jon to kill Daenerys in one 10 minute scene, then he managed to convince the lords of Westeros to make Bran their king in another 10 minute scene (all while Grey Worm stands behind him making faces like he’s waiting on line at the bank and the lady in front of him is taking too long).
Arya straight up gave Jon a speech about how family needs to stick together and then just decided that she wants to go full Columbus.
From what I understood, Tyrion is really the king. The whole scene when Bran shows at the small council, asks about the dragon and then leaves, was about showing that Bran accepted to be king just to have Tyrion actually rule behind the scenes. You would say he actually won the “game” of Thrones but he wasn’t mentioned in the record, and I guess this is his punishment. He basically is not going to be mentioned in their history at all, yet has to serve as the Hand of the King. And this whole council scene felt like a comedy skit, Bronn master of coin? What the hell?
My biggest problem with the finale is that the resolution they chose would guarantee more power struggles in Westeros, but the show acts like they just took the first step towards founding a democracy. How has the wheel been broken? There is still a king after all. He’s elected by all the other kingdoms. What exactly is holding the kingdoms together at this point? Why would any lords swear fealty to Bran? Feels like this would lead to an even greater civil war and total abandonment of the concept of a united realm.
A lot of people say that this season too rushed. And I agree, but there were so many scenes that consist of nothing but staring, and nothing happening that furthers the plot. They could have cut a lot of this season out and no one would notice. Even the finale had this issue in several scenes - they couldn’t show how John was arrested, but will show Tyrion adjusting chairs. I'm not saying everything has to be action packed and stuff going on all the time, but at least fill this space with some interesting dialogue that adds to the story.
Bran's Throne is mobile.
Lunch bag letdown. SO many possible endings yet what they came up with was probably the least interesting, least exciting , and most disappointing ending of a tv series that I have ever seen. Shame on the writers and producers for wasting our time.
Jon snow reunited with ghost! Can't think of a better way of ending this show..
So sad the way Danny died but I understand why. Disappointed in John's fate. Thought he would end up King. Confused by the fact that he was supposed to be King but ended up not.
The writers were in a hurry and wanted to finish it quickly!! The best series of history till now had the worst ending ever. Maybe they wanted to tell a message that power changes people and people will do differently when they take the power so do not get killed for making someone the governor. I think so but we hadn't watch this show to get a message!! Another season could complete this by writing a longer story, a bigger war between dead and alive, a better death for night king, better war between north and capital and so. However the show has been finished and talking do not make any changes. By the way 20/may is my birthday and GOT has been finished after 8 years exactly on my birthday.
There was little chance not to be disappointed, but even if the ending is lacking on many points, the first half of this episode was almos perfect.
Tyrion going through the ruins of the city is a magnificent scene. It looks beautiful and captures the horror of what happened. The arrival of Daenerys, with the dragon wings behind, though a little cheesy, is very powerful too. Her full blown tyrant speech, and Tyrion's reaction to it: perfect. Even though he knows the price to pay, he still do what's right, and in a way that nobody would dare to. And by the way, he's basically running the whole thing during the episode.
It follows with Tyrion's conversation with Jon. Another great Tyrion's scene where he manages to make Jon face reality. Tyrion's greatest scenes have always been conversations, and they were greatly lacking in the last seasons (and in the show in general compared to the books).
Daenerys finally getting her hands on the Iron Throne, and Jon arriving for the climax scene. Really well done too. A bit disappointed that Arya doesn't remove the mask at this point. Very good Drogon scene too though the symbolic melting of the throne is a bit cheesy too.
After that, we're in epilogue mode, and it's not that great. It's expected that characters, specially main ones, will not have the ending they wanted or deserved, and it used to mean that whatever could happen, because life is random and not a nice story. Not in the last seasons.
So the whole choosing the next king scene was meh. First what happened in all these weeks ? Grey Worm was obviously holding the reins, but what about the Dothrakis ? We never see them after the speech. And he waited, so that lotds he doesn't know who choose what to do with Jon ? Makes no sense, why would he follow anybody's orders after Daenerys' death ?
Then who is at this council ? Nobodies, way too many Starks and commoners, it is incredibly unbalanced, and though there are some other lords we don't really care about, they're still lords, why would they recognize the others ?
Bran is the three eyed raven ? A legend for barbarians of the North.
Arya killed the Night King ? These people still haven't see a single undead and should not believe they exist.
Davos ? Was not much respected when he was serving Stannis, why would lords recognize him now ?
What about Sam ? Apart from being Jon's friend ? He abandonned the Night Watch, and his training at the Citadel, he's not even a qualified Maester. He may be the new Lord Tarly, though he shouldn't as beong part of the Night Watch..
And Brienne ? Is she recognized as a knight now ? And everybody accepts that. Being knighted by the Kingslayer and Tyrion as other witness ?
Gendry ? A bastard appointed by Daenerys that most of them never recognized as queen.
Only good things: Sam proposing democracy and Sansa shutting down her uncle.
Now the choice of king. Tyrion's speech kinda makes sense. But Bran is a cripple incapable to pronouncing two sentences in a row. He might have all this knowledge, but when have we seen him apply it to something ? When have we seen him do anything ? Or even say something useful ? Ever ? He's also totally out of real life. I don't know if it's the actor or what the show has done with the character but he has the charisma of an oyster and the usefulness too. How could anyone see him taking the duty of a king (though Robert probably didn't do much more) ?
Also what if they had chosen Jon ? Did they tell everybody that he was the rightful king ? Don't they deserve to know ? After what he did, didn't it prove to Tyrion that he was the right choice ?
Sansa gets her kingdom too, well, at this point basically all her brothers have been king at some point (except the useless one) so she definitely wanted it. However she was not yet queen in the north at this point, why was she habilitated to take this decision ? And everybody's ok with that. No other try to keep their own kingdom or rebel against that ? Also, the North wouldn't even follow the lawful Lord of Winterfell as king ? Really ? Looks more like Sansa is just as power hungry as Daenerys.
As for the aftermath. It's getting worse.
Tyrion still being hand, and hence probably King except for the name is the only real deserved, expected and logical ending. He's the only one with a notion of statecraft, and is pretty good. But the rest ? Davos has a little experience and is rightful and loyal, ok.
Bronn is Master of Coins ? Is it bound to the Highgarden seat ? How does he have any qualification for that ?
Brienne is captain of the Kingsguard ? When it's not even clear the rest of the Order would recognize her as a knight. Also why do that ? Shouldn't she stay with Sansa ? Is she here to protect Tyrion in place of Jaime ? And Podrick is bringing the King, so is he in the Kingsguard ? Is there not a single real knight left ?
And Sam ? Still not a Maester, still barly has any qualification.
Tyrion is supposed to be smart, this small council looks like pure nepotism and doesn't look able to handle anything.
Arya's going on a journey. She should have died, killed by the Faceless Men for quitting. Also this doesn't really look like her character. Though what was she gonna do now that she's all out of revenge ?
As for Jon, he did the hard thing, saved the kingdom, killed his love. Even if he was useless in the battle of Winterfell, he's still the main architect of mankind's defense and the only reason there was a battle instead of white walkers just rolling over everything. And he is punished to go back to the Night Watch (which definitely should not been useful in his lifetime). He already gave his life for it once ! Though is there a Night Watch left ? Nobody seem to know or care. They have no idea what they're sending him to. He really gets the fuck you ending.
And so he just goes with the wildlings ? Abandoning his sentence ? Weird for him.
So. Tyrion gets the rewarding expected ending. Daenarys the expected dramating ending. And Jon gets stabbed in the back by fate. Yes, it's good that it's not happily ever after for everybody but it's not satisfying as Jon is the only one getting this treatment. All the other surviving characters get way out of their depth high rewards roles, that's a sitcom ending, not GoT ending.
1. It's nice warm summer in Kings Landing. ONE DAY later (S08E06) it's a frosty winter :D LOL Well I guess the GREAT WINTER came after all :D
2. Jon stabbed her in the belly and all of a sudden the knife is in her chest and it seems like two different knifes (maybe someone turned the knife around ^‿^
3. Also there were no foot prints in the snow AND the snow did not melt in front of the dragon when he was spitting fire.
4. Why would the dragon have an understanding of what a throne is, that it has never seen before?? IT's AN ANIMAL! HELLO!?
5. So the dragon is able to forgive Jon and Greyworm is not? Or does he? Unsullied and Dothraki just sailing of like nothing happened. Really?
6. Somehow Jamie & Cersei were underground +plus the roof caved in, so much that Tyron got light down there IN THE UNDERGROUND and somehow Jamie & Cersei were just covered by a few rocks???
7. Surprisingly the throne & the books survived the devastation of the castle, without a scratch or stones on it ^^
8. Where did the Danerys get that XXXXXXL flag from that is hanging over the castle ruin, bigger than a dragon?
9. "I can never be lord of Winterfell, I can never be lord of anything, I am the three-eyed raven." … - … "Why do you think I came all this way?" … Seriously????
AND did I get this straight??? At the end of season 7 the ice wall + the nights watch was completely and utterly destroyed and now the wall & the nights watch is there again??
I mean WTF were you thinking HBO???
Oh my gosh :see_no_evil:
Conclusion: 67 brilliant episodes, 6 bad episodes & 1 unsatisfying ending.
[7.2/10] For what seems like the umpeenth time as Game of Thrones started drawing to a close, I don't know what to do with the episode, or with the ending of the show overall.
On the one hand, I think the idea of Dany becoming the Mad Queen is a sound one, but the show also seemed to rush the transition to that point, so you sort of have to imagine a world where there was more lead-up to Dany becoming the person who would rain fire down on innocents. Tyrion lays out a plausible argument for how things would go that way -- how hard it is to use power and force against evil men and not start to believe that every time you use that power and force, it must be in service of destroying evil. But it doesn't feel like Game of Thrones has fully taken the audience through that transition. There is a fair point to be made about how crusaders for justice start to believe their own hype, and start to see everything that stands in the way of their greater power and triumph as an injustice. I just don't know if Game of Thrones has earned that point.
Still, if you take that progression as a given, I actually really like the first half of this episode. There is something so moving and operatic about the opening forty minutes or so, which block out most of the rest of Game of Thrones's sprawling world and narrow in on Tyrion, Jon, and Dany. The episode is so deliberately paced, giving us time to take in the horror and aftermath of King's Landing slowly and painfully, letting us savor the triumph mixed with pain and regret each of our would be heroes is feeling. The long conversation between Jon and Tyrion, the grand Triumph of the Will speech that Dany gives, the fateful final confrontation between Jon and Dany are all powerful set pieces in their own terms, which take time to lay out and resolve the dilemma that affects all three of them in terms moral, political, philosophical, and personal.
Then it happens, a vision of the future and an intimate moment turn into a murder and betrayal. Jon Snow is forced, once again, to watch a woman he loves die in his arms because it was deemed necessary for "the greater good." Drogon swoops in and melts the Iron Throne, and the whole scene is appropriately mournful, a visual elegy to this whole miserable journey, of noble ambition curdled into grief and fury, of a decent person having to sacrifice another piece of his soul to keep unstoppable death and destruction at bay. It is a sequence full of big moments and big emotions, but they fit with the momentousness of these questions and endings.
But then we have a Kingsmoot, and for reasons that still escape me, the assembled great lords and ladies of Westeros pick friggin' Bran to be their leader. I already wrote about this extensively in my full-blown review of this episode, so I don't want to belabor the point, but that choice is utterly confounding and deeply, deeply disappointing. How this flat affect, charmless weirdo, who offers little more than doublespeak and creepy stares, is the best-suited of any of them to be king, is beyond me. Tyrion's pronouncement that "Bran the Broken" has the best story of any of them is outright laughable, and the show's pitch for why he'd be a good king doesn't pass the smell test.
One of the show's biggest questions from early on has been who would sit on the iron throne at the end of the day, and it utterly donked the endgame there. Bran was useless enough that we spent an entire season without him and no one really minded or even cared. He has been a nearly superfluous presence on the show for a long time, and him being there in the end not only casts a pall over the finale, but makes a lot of what led us to that point seem retroactively bitter in hindsight.
Beyond just that, there are tons of questionable choices about who represents what and why and where, who decides to go and who decides to stay, and how all of the political questions that Game of Thrones has concerned itself with for so long shake out. This series has long asked the question of what a good government over Westeros would look like, when the old ways are jetissoned, and the answer it provides to that question is, at best, unconvincing.
Despite that, I actually really enjoy the goodbyes that the show gives to the other Stark children. Sansa recognizing that the North has come too far to bend the knee to a distant king ever again, and finally taking her rightful place as leader of her people, is a warm culmination of her journey from little bird to smart and savvy operator. Arya having learned all she can in Westeros and ports beyond, fulfilled her destiny, and setting off to find a new one in a new place with fewer bounds and expectations, is a good final note for a young woman who always sought excitement and possibilities beyond what this society could offer her.
And Jon, still haunted by what "the right thing" has forced him to do for these past many years, finally gets to rest. He's returned to where he started, but gets to leave it all behind: the titles, the burdens, the bloodlines, the existential threats, that have impressed this decent, simple man into service for so long. The wars are over; the threats are nullified, and each of the Starks can say farewell to one another, off to be the people they always wanted to be. There's an appropriate combination of warmth and melancholy in these scenes, the joy of where each of them ends up, with the hardship of separation and the memory of all that it took to get there.
So where does that leave us? It leaves us with an end to the Dany/Jon/Tyrion triumvirate that feels right in the moment, that coasts on the emotions of the moment and the talents of the performers and the striking images on the screen, but which also feels built on an inadequate foundation. It leaves us with an answer to the series' central question -- over who should rule and how in the ashes of a corrupt system -- that seems misguided at best and outright stupid at worst. And it closes the show by twisting and bending the plot to account for it, but still ends with some of the show's most important characters in places that feel right. It's a finale that leaves me conflicted, in how it fails at the level of logic but succeeds in making me happy, or at least satisfied, with where many of the protagonists I cared most about ended up.
Like much of these endgame-pointing seasons, Game of Thrones final frame is a mixed bag, one filled with questionable choices and beautiful scenes, with character destinations that both baffle and endear, and with moments that make you smile in joy and make you want to bang your head against a wall. No show could possibly have lived up to the lofty expectations for the finale of a series this big, and Game of Thrones certainly doesn't come close, but there's enough worth saving, worth liking here, to give me pause against calling it a total failure. Like the people of Westeros, this last episode, and this show, contains both the great and terrible, and which side wins out at a given moment depends on what you focus on, and who.
Surely not what I expected to see, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't good. I thought that Daenerys would at least feel bad but she didn't seem to care at all. She actually thought that she did the right thing... I hoped for Jon to take the throne after this beautiful scene with him kissing her for the last time but still no. Like I said though, it doesn't mean that it was bad. Not that bad like everyone claims at least. The inevitable happened. I'm not really happy with Bran taking the destroyed throne either, but I was really happy for Tyrion and for every act of his. He deserved being the Hand for once more. I wouldn't say the same about his feelings for Jaimy and perhaps Cersei. It's sad that no one got to know about Jon's true identity and he had to go... What I really think is that it was a good finale but not for Game of Thrones. I'm sure they could have done much better.
Last episode disappointment. Bran! King!
Boy oh boy. I'm speechless. This was so bad, on every level. The lack of caring for Daenerys and the way they treated her was despicable. The way they killed her also instead of looking part of the story felt like the writers are symbolically killing their story.
I feel like this finale will be one of the most controversial on television. Some will say was perfect, others will say that butchered the story arcs.
I give it a 9 only by ignoring that the other seasons exist, because without them it was a really amazing and kinda fulfilling ending.
However, those seasons exist... Well, I'll be watching the prequels.
seeing all the complaints here about this final episode has brought me great joy. your misery and frustration pleases me immensely :blush:
Big disappointment, what could have been, if they didn't rushed things up? Guess we'll never know...
Disappointing ending... It feels as if they just tried to tie up loose ends quickly.
This ending couldn’t have been more perfect. So emotional, so well prepared and so so beautifully shot. The Iron Throne got us the answers we needed to close this series and more. I’m sure George is incredibly proud. When the big moment came for my all time favorite character and role model, I wasn’t even in shock or sad, because it’s that good and well written. The moment that truly got me though is when Drogon picked up his mother and flew away. Yeah, there were tears, there was laughter and indeed, the ending is bittersweet. I couldn’t be more grateful to have had this show in my life, and I will never stop rewatching this. Me nem nesa.
Oh how much I miss Geoffrey!!
Lol lol lol lol lol
I just want to add that I hope D&D will never write again. They can produce whatever they want, but they are terrible writers.
So at last we reached the end of this epic tale of ice and fire. I must say I did like the ending even though it wasn't perfect. Sure the whole season was way to short and rushed but overall they did a good job bringing it to the end. We all knew that GoT never would get its fairy tale ending but that it would be bittersweet and that it definitely was. Anyways the series finale was good and got one of the best CGI the show ever did. I could watch Drogon scenes the whole day.
Fact is I'm very sad this show is over and I guess it won't be that soon that another show of this caliber will come around.
To AALLL the people complaining... George R.R. Martin told D&D how the show/books would end and it didn't disappoint!!! (I actually cried my eyes dry) :'(
So please stop thinking that there will be a more "beautiful" ending in the books (If we actually get those).
So what, your beautiful theories all thorn into pieces... come on!!!
And why should we think "we" could "write" a better ending than the one who actually is GRRM...
So stop throwing those tomatoes and appreciate how magical this ride was.
I for one, liked it and founded it satisfying shrugs
spend 7 seasons building up characters to dump them in the toilet in a botched 8th season. Pure garbage. I can imagine the writers in a room trying to figure out how to do the complete opposite of what people expect instead of a logical conclusion.
Garbage of a season, garbage of an ending.
After last week i was so done with GoT that i couldn't really care how it ended. But I am happy i started the final watch. Every bit of how much i hated last week episode is every bit i love this week and the series finale. Of course you can't make everyone happy but i'm pleased with how they ended things. And we finally got the well deserved cuddle of Jon and Ghost!
this is complete and utter garbage thanks for nothing d&d
I somehow caved and watched the episode and it was abysmal! It's worse than I thought it would be! I'm absolutely disgusted! Disgusted by how they victimized those diviant Lannisters! Disgusted by how they tried so hard in the last two episodes to show Dany as a tyrant! And then defend that storyline by saying it was foreshadowed. What a bunch of bullshit! All she tried her whole life was not to be like her father, she killed slaves masters and men who abused and enslaved women and children, she answered injustice with justice, protected those in need! That is literally what she was doing for 8 seasons! And let's not forget how she put north and Winterfell before her own needs and protected the people from the army of dead! So I don't buy this sudden insanity, it's just shitty writing. I would be fine with this if they portraited her as crazy from the start, but they didn't. And if killing evil men is foreshadowing insanity then they are all insane, Jon who killed those who betrayed him, Arya for killing and then cooking them in a pie (that's insane) while smiling like a psycho, etc. Dany never enjoyed killing anyone and she never harmed children. They butchered her character and used it as plot device for this shitty ending! And in the process they made me hate Jon for killing her... His story didn't make sense as well... He was so easily manipulated by Tyrion. And then there's Bran the king??? Are you kidding me? He is even more useless and inapt than Jon.. What was his goal anyway, just to get the crown cause he surely never did anything useful. No personality, no emotions and I think he could almost be a sociopath.. And that guy is in charge of 6 kingdoms?!? But he is a man so the future is bright now, right? I'm still pissed that they used "man will be a better ruler" line! And finaly we have Bronn who is now the master of coin, the guy who only cares about himself and brothels. I am disgusted! Utterly disgusted! Dany fought for nothing, the wheel keeps turning. I've never been so bitter about a show, but then again I've never cared this much about one or the characters. She will always be the most iconic character in television history. As for the show, I'll try to forget I've ever watched it.
I've got two more things to say:
Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, the Unburnt, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons is the true and rightful queen to the Iron throne! Dracarys!
ok that was the stupidest, most boring series finale ive ever seen. the only thing i liked was sansa and aryas endings, brienne writing about jaime and kinda the fact that bran became the new king. the rest really gave me NOTHING
Let's just forget this ever happened. #LostAgain
I was not pleased with few episodes of this season. But I would be lying if I said that I didn't enjoy many scenes in this episode. I don't hate the events that happened in it unlike many. I loved many things as well as the soundtracks, the acting, the CGI, special visual effects, and all the works. They were good, in my opinion.
Jon Snow heads North, leaving his Targaryen identity, as Tormund Giantsbane once told him, "You've got the North in you, the real North." He gave our good boy a pat, finally. He went north of the wall, though, with the freefolk. Not much point of Castle Black anymore, and it was even barely manned, so it makes sense. The ending seemed just, to me.
But one thing I am disappointed at, is that we never knew what Tyrion did with the honeycomb and the jackass at the brothel. :laughing:
Technically it was one of the best episodes, for me. I'm at peace with how things ended.
I really can't wait for the spin-off, by the way.
I also want to see another spin-off about Arya Stark's adventures. I'd pay good money for it.
I grew up watching this series. Thank you Game of Thrones. Easily one of my favourite TV series, if not the best one of them all. I will miss this series.
Review by KhalilBlockedParent2019-05-20T01:22:54Z
I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.