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It is hard to think how things like this can happen in real world...dont know what to think at all. It's definitively the most shocking tv show i've ever seen.
Am I the only one who thinks it was Teresa's brother?
All I can say is that the US Justice system is fucked up. The Americans can praise it how much they want, but it is a fucked up system.
The bailing system is designed so that poor people have to plead guilty in order to stay out of prison.
Even if they DID do it, EVERYONE should be furious at the Wisconsin justice system from top to bottom for miscarrying justice.
Well, I'm not from the USA but I'm watching a lot of TV from the US including news shows and documentaries like this.
To me, living in Europe, the justice system of the USA is comparable to countries the USA doesn't compare itself to. As it seems, corruption (especially in law enforcement) and therefore justice is a huge problem, not only in Manitowoc, Wisconsin. It's all over the USA and has a lot of its roots in the law enforcement system. In Europe to become a law enforcement officer you have to undergo a 3-5 year training before you're allowed to enforce the law by your own. In the USA (as to my knowledge) you can become a sherriffs office law enforcer simply by showing up at the office and have no police record (simply said and not in every state but still).
Also the US justice system of a jury (who are no experts in crime issues and the justice system) ruling if the charges lead to a person beeing guilty or not is just not practicable in the 21st century anymore. But in the USA you can't give a judge all the power on it's own like it is in France or Germany for example because judges are set-in by politicians to act the law on behalf of their political opinions. (See Trump/Kavanaugh) I'm not saying it's perfect in other countries, but it's a lot more fair and professional. Also it's a lot less affected from outside persons, politicians and opinions.
In the end this series puts a dagger in the heart of Wisconsins justice system and the law enforcement of Manitowoc. And that's about time! Something has to change in the US justice system.
This show is absolutely phenomenal especially because it's going waist deep into the material instead of just scraping the surface. It should open the eyes of every american citizen that something isn't right if a documentary tells you, that a person is allegedly falsly imprisoned the second time and the show empored by Avery's lawyer can privode evidence that shows that plainly.
I really hope this is eventually leading to solving the murder and imprison the people behind it including everyone who was in on this.
I feel like Facebook was just blowing up with thoughts on this documentary for a while there. So, I figured I had to watch it to see if people were being crazy, or if the was actually amazing. Well, kind of in the middle I think. In terms of a documentary, I think this was pretty well done. Now, you have to look at it like it is a documentary set out to make an argument. If you think it is made with every bit of evidence and isn't trying to prove that the police are bad and the accused are innocent, you are really missing a lot here.
A documentary doesn't need to be unbiased (unless they claim to be). They just can't make things up for me to like it. However, I have to admit that I'd have loved the finals episode to be someone from the other side making their case for why this dude is guilty. I keep seeing articles online doing that, and I'll be reading some soon here. Instead I think they did make this a little longer than necessary. I'd have preferred it being only 6 episodes or so and just get through it a little faster.
All in all, very good and interesting. Just don't watch this and assume it is absolutely, 100% accurate. At least look into other sources before you sign a petition.
Season 2 has a lot of filler, and gets boring in the middle, but still worth a watch.
DO NOT GIVE UP AFTER THE FIRST EPISODE! This is a brilliant series and true binge-worthy tv.
20 chapters stretching out a story that could be told in a normal one-hour documentary. Desperate.
Fact is stranger than fiction.
First season is really good. Second season was okay, but not as interesting because nothing was answered or resolved.
I absolutely loved the first season. It seems that they took the second one and just cranked everything up to 11. A must see.
It's just a complete shame to see how flawed the entire justice system is in the US. You are handed tons of concrete evidence to prove innocence, yet still, you deny everything out of just pure... incompetence, or hate. I don't even know what to call it. From the lowest to the highest courts, just filled with morons.
I think the Sherrifs and the prosecution and some of the witnesses were all together to convict Steven along with his nephew for the crimes he didn't commit. Teresa's brother or that Lenk are who I think that murdered Teresa.
Brilliant documentary series if very dispiriting in regards to the US justice system.
One of the most shocking and poignant documentaries I have ever seen. The Averys' ability to remain hopeful and optimistic despite such extreme miscarriages of justice, is so incredibly admirable. I hope more than anything that something can be done to release these two men. Horrifying.
While Steven Avery's case is clearly not 'beyond reasonable doubt', I'm actually more horrified at Brendan's sentencing. Beyond horrific. No words.
Can't believe Making a Murderer is getting a second series!!!
This is by far the scariest thing i have ever seen. The system is suppose to protect the innocent and punish the guilty beyond a "REASONABLE DOUBT." Better to set the guilty free than imprison one innocent person. Because of the many mistakes we'll never know now.
Guilt or innocence aside, this really does show how flawed the legal system in the US is. And I assume this is probably similar in most western countries. The lawyers must feel like they are fighting an uphill battle against a system which claims to presume innocense but clearly assumes guilt.
Season 1 was great, real nail biter, head shaker, anger builder.
Season 2 was stuffed with so many unnecessary filler scenes that all the momentum got lost.
Scenes where somebody is telling something..... with a slight pause after each sentence..... over some drone footage of a landmark..... accompanied by slow piano music..... about something you don't care about... and so on.
I don't even want to go into the 'plot' of season 2.
The way most of the prosecutors argumented made me sick to my stomach. The way they "gathered" evidence, I just don't believe it. So much bad police work and work by the state against this family. It's sickening. This might be biased, but heck, when it comes to the way these two people were handled, they don't deserve it. Even if they were guilty, the handling of the case was so problematic. And tbh, I don't even think they did it. They don't seem capable of doing it, and tbh there's no motive. To fuck up one owns life after 18 years in prison like that, and he didn't even (as far as I know) start violent fights in prison at that time or something similar, so where's the motive? No, there's foul play here. I hope if there are people out there who can help this case and cases like it, work hard to get the truth Oh how I am disgusted by the system, how a mans life is up to 12 random people in a jury. Where someone might already (as seen in the series) think the man is guilty BEFORE even starting the trial. It makes me sick how people don't take into account all that is being done in a trial, instead of just focusing on (highly possibly) planted evidence. Oh my, I don't.. I don't believe in God, and viewing this, I have even less faith in any "goodness" up there, or even in our hearts, we're sick. The human race is sick to judge someone without evidence beyond reasonable doubt. My goodnesss.. I have no more words.
This documentary just got me hooked after the first episode and just hasn't let go even after finishing it!
I hope one day truth comes out and if they are innocent at least I hope he gets a time to spend with his parents. And I really feel sorry for his dad and mom. From what I saw it raised me so many red flags and questions, in my view it wasn't fair trail.
I'm truely shocked... this show is amazing and disturbing at the same time!
This can't be true.JC. Great story.hope he gets out!
Wow. Just, wow! This documentary series is unbelievable.. I was skeptical at first, but just after a view episodes I. Was. Hooked!
Perturbador e intrigante. Muitas dúvidas e poucas certezas.
Wow!!! My mind is blown.
This is a very disturbing portrayal of how the American Justice system really works. I find myself deeply troubled at the lives that have been severely affected because of some deviously uncaring members of the American bureaucracy. I have not finished the series as of yet so I don't know the outcome, I am literally on the edge of my seat wanting revenge for these terribly unfortunate people.
This enraged me, I believe he is innocent
A showcase of one of the most disgusting examples of police coverups, failings, and framings. And a disgusting breakdown and showcase of the flaws in our justice system.
Making a Murderer is an excellent crime documentary that really makes you think about how the legal system works. It takes a very close look at a real case and shows the issues that can come up within the justice system. The documentary doesn’t just tell one side of the story; it does a great job of showing both sides, which helps you understand the bigger picture.
The way the filmmakers present everything is impressive. They show the evidence, testimonies, and interviews in a clear and simple way, so it's easy to follow along, even if you don’t know much about the law. It feels like you’re getting all the details, and this makes you more invested in what’s happening. They made sure to cover all parts of the case, which gives you a lot to think about.
One of the strongest points of the documentary is how it highlights the flaws in the legal system. It shows how things can go wrong and makes you question if justice was really served. It’s a deep and thought-provoking series that not only tells a gripping story but also raises important questions about fairness and truth.
If you enjoy documentaries that explore real-life crime cases, Making a Murderer is definitely worth watching. It’s thorough, engaging, and really makes you think about justice in a different way.
incredibly compelling. will make you upset and lose faith in the judicial system though
BORING doesn’t begin to cover it. Blah!!
Season 2 is nonsense and boring, on season one they didn't reveal interesting facts. They are definitely guilty, the confession was not coerced. Steven has criminal history, he burned a cat alive when a kid, domestic violence, etc. He special called for Teresa,he tried to hide his number, all was planed and he probably guessed he could get away with it because he was on the prison for something he didn't do. Is there planted evidence? Probably the key, but they knew for sure he did it and wanted to make sure he was going to jail.
This entire case is unbelievable... It's amazing to think this happened because of some ridiculous, nonsensical grudge???? It's infuriating to see that the State was allowed to do this, to ruin the lives of two innocent men while real criminals are free.
I was screaming at the screen on many occasions. It's just... difficult to accept these things can happen.
It's also incredible to me that the public is so easily misled and doesn't care about finding out the truth even when there's too much reasonable doubt. It's even more incredible that that's the case for Teresa's family as well. I understand how emotions can be stronger than reason in a situation like this. But damn, still... As the years go by, you'd think they would be open to seeing the whole picture.
P.S.: I realize now just how awful I would be as a lawyer. You have to admire how collected and cold-headed these people can be in the face of so many injustices.
I feel a very deep and unbearable sadness in my heart for Steven's parents, whenever I think about them I just start crying.
I really hope there is going to be a light at the end of the tunnel for the Averys, as for Brendan, I don't see why they wouldn't simply bring in an expert psychoanalist to review his confession and give his expert opinion..
or all the hype, it is pretty good... it’s difficult what to believe
This is a great show, especially when you have insomnia because it's soooo boring and it will put you to sleep
10/10 for the story. It really is unbelievable. It is absolutely disturbing what drives people to do such things and this series depicts that pretty well. Still some things I wasn't too happy with: It started a bit slow and was pretty judgmental. So my rating is more about the way they presented it. Also I read about some things that would have been a point against him that they chose not to include (like past contact Avery had had with the victim and her reluctance to go to his home to photograph the vehicle based on those experiences, that's at least what Wikipedia says). Overall, even if I would have prefered it to be more neutral, it is still very important television and somtimes had me at the edge of my seat not believing what I'm seeing there.
A little let down after all the potential.
Worth a watch but be prepared for some long minutes of staring and nothing happening.
Definetly shocking that this is possible in a presumably modern country. I just hope that there is no case that bad over here in Germany or Europe in general.
"Todos podemos decir que nunca cometeremos un crimen, pero no podemos garantizar que nadie nos vaya a acusar alguna vez de haberlo cometido. Si eso sucede, entonces, buena suerte con este sistema judicial penal."
Grandísimo documental. Imprescindible.
Saddest part is you people give them a reason to make money out of it ...
Say what?!? How could this be. Could someone elaborate?
I finished the series but I don't know what to think. It's hard to believe that two innocent people are behind bars for a crime they didn't commit.
Having just finished watching this documentary on Netflix, I don't know what to believe...
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After watching this, it's hard for me to think anyone could believe there was "evidence beyond reasonable doubt". There were SO many mistakes, questions, contradictions, and procedural misconducts which cast doubts on the State's case.