Beautiful. I may have shed a tear or two.
This is not star trek, this is becming days of our lives. Some unknown person suddenly is nonbinary and a trill.. surely we can do better stories than this... its sliding into hell
Blu del Barrio was great in this episode! It was so great to look at the Trill homeworld. And the crew in this episode, undergoing such a catharsis. Really they outdid themselves in this episode.
We're starting to get into 'The 100' strange new world territory. It feels like the script writers exhausted their initial ideas and now it's just basically anything goes.
Not saying I hate it. Obviously I'm still watching it - but season 3 is very very different from seasons 1 and 2 so far.
Sonequa is amazing, as usual, but this episode was lackluster in comparison to the rest of the season so far. Partially because we have very little to no context on why Adira is so important. Taking a foray at the very beginning of a season to explore an emotional story with a character we literally just met, while we're still trying to come to terms with the end of the previous season and what that means for our characters this season, was a poor move. Despite the episode being emotional I still struggled to connect with Adira's character because I didn't know her. There was little character development before this point so the story didn't hit as hard as it probably could have.
Looking forward to the rest of the season but I hope that the plot starts to make more sense/become more tied into the rest of the series.
I really enjoyed that episode! There are so many interesting characters in this show and it's nice to see them grow, (re)connect, and change. This wasn an unexpected but welcomed surprise :)
Hugh is such a lovely person and great doctor.
I also like the new Michael Burnham that is still badass but also more empathic now.
Even got wet eyes at the end... :D
It's a nice future where we all greet each other by stating what gender we identify as. Wouldn't just want to be people getting to know each other.
That was about as much "annoying" that I could take however I am glad that has made a significant step in propelling the story.
After a good run of episodes so far this season, this one was quite blah. I haven't warmed to this Adira character so I was disappointed that at the end of the episode, when given the chance to stay with the Trill, she returned to Discovery instead. I'm also not a fan of kid/young adult actors in general, so the fact this was an Adira-centric episode made it even less appealing to me, combined with the fact that she's a new character who I really don't care about...to say nothing about her boyfriend.
I hope this was just a blip in an otherwise good season. I did enjoy the scenes onboard Discovery, at least, but they were too few in number to make the episode a good watch.
[5.8/10] For a show with so much promise, Discovery has a frustrating number of recurring flaws. But arguably the most hobbling of them is its dialogue. A series can make different story choices, or blow up its premise, or put its focus on different characters, but if it can’t get the words people speak to one another right, everything else falls down around it.
That’s a tough obstacle for Discovery in general, as there’s often a stage-y, almost declarative quality to most of its conversations and monologues. It’s rare to find a character saying something other than exactly what they mean. Too often those speeches or exchanges sound tin-eared and unconvincing, which makes it hard both to connect with the characters who are saying these things and also to buy into the situations, be they emotional or more plot-heavy, that the show wants to spin.
That’s especially true in an episode like “Forget Me Not”, which dispenses with much of the theatrics and plot-heavy developments, and instead focuses on more internal stories of growth and healing for Adira and Michael on the one hand, and the rest of the Discovery crew on the other. In an episode where the obstacles are more external, that might not be such a hindrance, but for an episode that hinges on the introspective and personal, the bad dialogue all but sinks this one.
It’s a shame, because at a high level, I really like both stories, each centered on a common ideal of needing to process and grapple with trauma, rather than turn away from it, in order to be able to move forward. The main one sees Michael journeying with Adira to the Trill home planet, in the hopes that Adira can unlock the symbiant’s memories of its other hosts in addition to her own lost memories, and that through that, Michael can learn where Senna Tal took what’s left of Starfleet.
It brings us to a familiar theme this season -- of formerly open communities that have become closed off and suspicious of outsiders, made open to possibilities once more through interactions with our heroes. There’s something that feels very traditionally Star Trek about Adira showing up as the first human-symbiant hybrid (give or take Riker), only to find that one Trill elder thinks she’s a bridge to the future of their species and another thinks she’s an abomination.
The problem is that all of the dialogue here is clanging and unbelievable. We get unnatural exchanges between Burnham and Adira that are meant to show them bonding over having both experienced trauma and strange developments, but which don’t have that emotional resonance. We get the aforementioned scene with the Trill elders (including Ronnie from Schitt’s Creek!), where every pronouncement traded feels stilted and strange. And even when they’re confronted by antagonists and helpers on the way to the magical Trill pool, there’s not really any life in the scene, weighed down by on-the-nose declarations of exactly how every character feels in a given moment.
The same problem afflicts the B-story here, which features Dr. Culber telling Saru that the crew may seem fine on the surface, despite all that they’ve been through, but that beneath it all, each of them is stressed beyond belief. It leads Saru to try to find away to foster a connection and community among his compatriots on the Discovery, especially since they’ve lost those connections to everyone and everything they knew before the time jump.
Honestly, I really like that idea. It’s a big deal to leap a thousand years in the future, and while it would be perfectly acceptable T.V. decorum to have your characters note the difficulty of it for one scene and then seemingly take it all in stride, it’s a canny choice to have our heroes exploring the hardships of that dramatic change in their lives.
The problem is that Discovery’s writers can’t craft a scene that actually dramatizes that in any sort of plausible or relatable way. The major sequence in this half of the episode sees Saru inviting his senior officers to a dinner which starts out friendly, but quickly devolves into recriminations and bitterness. It’s a good tack, but the problem is that this show doesn’t have someone like Amy Sherman-Palladino to write an awkward dinner scene, so the whole thing ends up playing like a high school production of a Tennessee Williams play.
None of the emotions or interactions feel real. None of the all-important connections between these people -- that are not only vital to underscore the message of the episode but to earn the audience’s goodwill overall for the series and its cast -- are palpably or viscerally felt. It basically dooms this chunk of the episode. That’s particularly true when it comes time for all of them to reconcile, where the setup is so weak that the payoff is no better.
(Don’t get me started on the fact that Saru seems blasé about the Sphere Data merging with Discovery’s computer systems, assuming without evidence that it’s only there to protect them, right after another digital intelligence recently tried to, you know, murder all of them.)
The same problem afflicts the resolution to the Burnham/Adira half of the episode. It turns out that the thing hindering Adira from accessing her memories and connection to the symbiant’s past hosts is that she obtained the symbiant after a trauma -- namely the untimely death of her Trill boyfriend. She must live through those moments again in the magical Trill pool (which Burnham gets to join her in for less-than-convincing reasons), and accept them in order to be able to move forward, both biologically in terms of her connection to the symbiant and more spiritually in terms of experiencing the “post-traumatic growth” that Dr. Culbler talks about.
That’s a good tack! Look, “I have to process this emotional trauma in order to unlock my abilities” is a well-worn trope, but there’s a good reason for that. It’s a sturdy type of character story. The problem is that the dialogue is, again, very blunt and tin-eared, which especially hurts the flashbacks/visions where we see Adira and Gray flirting and expressing affection before the terrible thing happens.
It’s laudable as hell to see the show unabashedly centering a love story (albeit a doomed one) between a non-binary individual and a trans individual. But the lines the actors are forced to exchange don’t sell the all-important sense of love between the characters at all, instead making me wonder if the writers have ever actually experienced romance or just seen it on T.V. There’s a cartoony, almost fake quality to their interactions, with recycled dialogue that doesn’t support the good story the show’s trying to tell.
There’s still something rousing when Adira does process her grief, and it allows her to connect with “the circle” of other hosts. She speaks all of her new names to the other Trills, and earns their acceptance. But the moment doesn't land as well as it should given how much the bad dialogue weakens the central relationship that’s supposed to motivate her hardship and eventual self-actualization.
It’s an unavoidable problem that hinders everything else Discovery tries to do. Plots where there’s little in the way of phaser fire and more in the way of soul-searching are great. Stories of having to gain cultural acceptance and foster openness are pure Trek. But if the things the characters actually say fail to convey the significance of these things in a believable way, if they make it harder to relate to them as human beings since they don’t talk like recognizable human beings, it’s hard to get anything else on your show off the ground.
That episode was a bit dull
Lev from The Last of Us 2!
Well, I recently watched the Next Generation episode where Riker was temporarily joined with a Trill. of Course, that was the first mention ever of that race and look nothing like the Trill we know from DS9. However, there was human joined with a Trill. not quite successful, meaning permanent, but it is not unheard of that a non Trill ever became a host.
What was that about the computer?! The interface changing, the voice changing, and then it gave advice?! I mean, Saru asked for it, but that was bit of a leap.
And given the short episode "Calypso", I am not quite sure, if Saru isn't a bit naive in his interpretation that the sphere DATA is protecting / helping them. It hasn't shown any signs of consciousness yet, just subroutines to protect it's integrity
8/10
Wow another super great episode from the best Trek ever created yet again.
And Adira is amazing and I'm totally invested in Them's story and I am super pleased that Them decided to stay with Discovery. I had wet eye's all the way through this terrific episode. And I loved the Bridge crew dinner table scene that was awesome and I think it is super frickin awesome that The USS DISCOVERY is alive and wishes not only to protect itself but the crew also. We are all alone 932 years in the future and the only way we are going to survive is together as a crew. Fcuk yeah...exactly.
This episode was amazing and so touching, this show is flawless and just keeps going from strengths to strengths.
Making peace with yourself, with others is not always easy
I liked this one. They are all like we are. It was a bit emotional. Not a fan of Adira yet though. The dinner table was funny. Shame it did not last longer.
great show ok i like great show
Didnt like this teenage human/trill hybrid but ill admit it, meeting with past trill personalities scene was cool.
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Review by LeftHandedGuitaristBlockedParent2020-11-06T12:46:27Z
This episode was huge and felt like a turning point for me. And it really managed to give me feels!