most characters are annoying or boring, the show has nothing to say, i don't think I'll continue.
Alison Pill/Jurati is terrible.
Seriously? Dragging back Q and some f... alternate universe. What's next? Dragging back Wesley. What a load of crap .
I never watched any Star Trek TV shows, but I’ve seen all the movies. This is pretty good for me so far. Patrick Stewart is really the only reason I’m watching it though.
I won't say my interest isn't peaked and DeLancie surely hasn't missed a beat in his portrayal of Q. He was much more convincing than Whoopie. But subtlety really isn't the writer's forté, isn't it. You cannot be more on the nose and sledgehammering something in. And always going back to the Nazis.
Jurati is becoming Picard's version of Ensign Tilly. And by that I mean blabbering for no appearant reason and becoming annoying because of that.
Two things Q said made my listen up. "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Through a Mirror Darkly". Just an easter egg reference or something more ? If something in the year 2024 changed that was so dramatic as to change the history of the whole universe - how can this be related to Picard ? Q made it sound as if it was one of Picard's decisions that did that. "Welcome to the end of the road not taken".
So, we have to wait and see.
Q is just a great actor. Just like Stewart, who may have actually found a fitting role in this show: an old, confused man barely being able to project strength or to show extraordinary mental abilities. Nothing wrong about such an anti-hero and it were perhaps the better choice for his character in season one, too (I'm afraid he'll loose his delicate feebleness soon). The initial conversation between Q and Picard is just great.
The general premise of such a parallel universe is getting old. It's like a shameless rip-off from DS9 and the Empress's (or is it Empress' or Empresses'?) world in Discovery. Everyone is dressed in black, mankind is once again in Terran genocide mood and slave owning mode, and most of our beloved main characters are monsters or at least working on behalf of dictators. Still don't like the idea of parallel universes or jumping though time in all of those new shows. Once - like DS9's parallel universe or the Q-episodes in TNG - this was always a one-off episode to add some flavor to the regular universe - mostly inconsequential episodes to experiment with. But in all the new shows, it's like: "We don't have any ideas how to fill the known universe with good stories. We desperately need a new setting and more violence and the chance to meddle with all traditional Star Trek parameters. Hey why not let them jump thousand of years into the future? Why not catapult them into a parallel universe with the help of a supernatural being?" That's just an excuse for sloppy writing. And 'cause that's so distant to the original universe, they simply drop some familiar names from the original timeline: Stargazer, Sisko, Martok etc. That feels like an amateurish move to avoid being disconnected from the Star Trek brand. And the next amateurish move is expected in the next episode: why not quickly jump to 2024?
Showing how Seven/Annika would be if she was never assimilated, is interesting but they could have allotted more time to this. Plus, I don't really believe that Annika w/o her Borg encounter would behave the way she does. Even if her memory about that original timeline weren't wiped out by Q, the loss of her implants should surely have an effect on her behavior? I mean, wasn't that physical Borg/Human hybrid thing not always part of her personality? Or is that just not entirely thought through? Aren't hey interested in exploring Seven's persona? I mean, she was by far the most intriguing character (the awful t&a approach aside) in Voyager. She is super complex and you can still relate to her, but the writers don't seem to care.
But overall it's a good episode. I care for the characters (that's actually more than I could say about 99% of all people onboard the parallel show Discovery). Even Agnes' role as the odd professor is okay-ish (and she was easily the most annoying character in season 1). The alternate world is worth to be explored. The plot is consistent (aka I understand their motives, goals and the general premise) and well within the expected parameters of the Star Trek Franchise (as far as parallel universes and almighty supernatural beings go). Even the excitement isn't entirely based on stupid explosions and firefights.
I'm impressed. I'll just forget that there was a first season.
The Borg Queen seems to have intimate knowledge of Jurati... and that smirk when Picard didn't shoot her just before they were beamed onto the ship... considering she has a literal insight to all the probable future timelines... I think she has an ace up her sleeve and I don't like it, I don't like it at all.
I love a good alternative timeline plot and interesting they they've made the divergence so close to our own present time. Wonder what it will be!
How good did Seven look in that suit though! I just love every scene with Jeri Ryan. What a delight.
My word, has this franchise fallen into shameful territory. who writes this sophomoric dribble? Nothing thought provoking at all.
FUN FACT:
THAT GUY THAT PLAYED
7's HUSBAND IN THIS EPISODE IS SOJI's FATHER IN REAL LIFE AND HER YOUNGER BROTHER IS THAT BOY FROM
THE CHUCKY T.V SERIES.
8/10
Okay you have my interest,
Which I really didn't think this show could do after season 1 which was one big exposition dump cop-out from start to finish. Then after a surprisingly good season 2
episode 1 to what I thought was going to be an epic fail in episode 2 some how by the end of episode 2 they had won me over and actually got my interest and made me care, so props to them for that.
But they are on shaky ground with me so will just see. Agnes is just trying to be Tilly 2.0 and she's annoying the Hella out of me, but now she has swag and cockiness she just stresses me out and she definitely made that hole situation worse with her silly babble. Tilly is awesome by the way so sweet,kind and smart and occasionally funny.
I LOVE anything involving The Borg they are my favourite and that smerk from the Queen she kept doing through the episode was priceless, awesome just awesome.
Wow, that was quite something. Starting with Q, ending with the Borg Queen, Picard must face quite some foes.
And if someone here criticizes that the evil humanity takes over the universe and eradicates everyone else-storyline has been done to death... well, that's maybe because it's still socially and politically relevant in our days. Democracies are getting rarer, autocracies ever more often - and it's always been Star Trek's strength the put the mirror up in the face of its viewers. Perhaps some here are made uncomfortable with this, or are plainly sick of this... but then again, wake up, look around and you'll see that even in reality history repeats itself time and time again.
This show is about as good as The Orville. I can’t say that about Discovery.
Waited years for Q's return and am not disappointed, John de Lancie is superb.
That was the best bit of contemporary episodic television that I have seen in a long, long time.
What changed in 2024? Q made Trump win.
So, the five of them and the borg queen are going back to 2024. What about the rest of the crew of the Stargazer, who also presumably got zapped to this end of the road not taken, along with the principals? Just left behind on the road?
I really don't care anymore which new and yet somehow old and familiar mega crisis Star Trek is throwing at us in their next season. It's just one big bland mess.
And there always is a lack of growth and development in the story. 2x01 was in a pretty much new setting. This episode was in complete new setting and we can already tell that the next also will take place in a new setting, after the time travel.
Same for the characters, they contribute in their limited scope and that's it. No progress, no depth. No reason why you'd like or even just respect any of them.
Ok, so they mentioned Sisko very briefly in this alternate/mirror/parallel universe, so I'm hoping (but barely because I'm really a cynic) that either he, or Bashir, or Dax ffs will be "The Watcher" when they travel back to 2024.
Look, I'm just desperate for trek universes to converge, and if they're going to touch an already established fixed point (and 2024 IS a cannon fixed point), they had BETTER give Cpt. Sisko/Brooks his rightful due. We've seen/heard all the other primary Federation Captains in recent Trek shows and some of the tertiary ones, even Dukat and Martok have had honorary mention now! Come onnnn man! This is the time and place (pun intended) to put right the wrongs done to our beloved DS9 Captain.
The first two episodes are way better than the whole first season. I'm loving this crew. Agnes is hilarious, Rios is the man, and Seven is just wonderful in every scene.
I'd really watch Star Trek: Stargazer show with captain Rios with his Cuban cigar and his holos going on an adventures. :smile:
Excuse my language but WTF is this shit???
It's like a Star Trek parody but unfortunately it's an official Star Trek TV show... :o
At this point I have no idea how they can ruin it even further. Time travel ruins their whole universe for me. S2 is already lost on me. I guess I'll try to finish it just so I know what happened but this isn't a good TV show for me anymore.
Please give me that musical in E3. At this point it'd be an improvement. Maybe they'll manage to make this show so bad that it'll become somewhat entertaining (due to being ridiculous).
Kinda the only thing I found interesting was how Seven quickly figured out what's happening (by doing those checks and recalling her memories).
Some nice quotes too and kinda funny moments but overall it's unfortunately just a waste of time/money/talent/etc.
I guess I shouldn't expect any science/accuracy in Star Trek anymore. It really lacks the science part of Sci-Fi...
If you hadn't screwed it up in 2x01, now you wouldn't have to fix it
That dialogue between Q and Picard at the start took me right back to the late '80s. Damn, John de Lancie hasn't aged a bit as Q! It felt like the last time he played the character was yesterday.
The new Scooby Gang (monster included, i.e., the Borg Queen) looks weird and out of place (the latter being part of the plot, I know), but I do like where they're going with this. Season 1 is starting to look like a bad dream that happened long ago... So, fingers crossed for season 2!
In the meantime, let's all enjoy our new galaxy overlords: the humans!
Shout by Michael RaymondVIP 3BlockedParent2022-03-12T02:45:56Z
By far the best episode of the series (so far)