I like this episode, and i think this season has been consistently very good.
But there's so much to resolve for the final 2 episodes?
It feels like we should get another season to explore all that's happened and see how things kick off. Like the rogue terrorist faction of changelings have infected star fleet at all levels, how is that going to be resolved in 2 episodes? And then there's the whole thing going on with Jack, and some kind of alien entity that's inside or around him. Who is it? What is it doing? What is going on with Jack? What is the relationship between this entity and the rogue faction of changelings?
And the big enemy that is behind the scenes is only going to be resolved in 2 episodes???
We saw it twice and it spoke a few lines of dialogue. Or whatever it was. Maybe it was the presence around Jack or not.
The main villain of this season is Amanda Plummer, and she doesn't feel like a main villain. She either should have been dispatched after episode 4, or we needed another season to fully explore what's going on and the mystery around the main villain behind the curtain.
I really like these characters and the ongoing story, i just want to see MORE story, MORE answers and MORE scenes with all of these characters. We needed another season! But this is supposedly going to be the final one.
And with Amanda being the main villain of the season, she's now dead, and we've got 2 episodes left? Ok i guess, but it feels a bit like she's been stretched out through the season, even though i enjoyed her backstory and like her as a character. Maybe we should have got another episode in the nebula, and did the boarding, backstory and death there.
But still, i'm really enjoying the season overall, and can't wait for the final 2 episodes. I'm just still so surprised that we are finally getting good writing for Star Trek, and legacy characters actually feel like legacy characters. WHAT HAPPENED? How did this show become so good? It's a dream come true. I'm going to rewatch all the episodes right now, because i just can't wait. It's rare for me to rewatch things so soon, but i just can't wait.
As for this episode, i really loved the melding of Data and Lore. It just makes sense and is a good way forward for the story, characters, and also respecting the earlier decision by the original Data to end his life, as this new Data is full of life. It's just so good. And Data being able to win over Lore with the memories was just a great decision and strategy by Data.
I'm really interested what's happening with Jack, what is going on? His powers seem a bit OP, and there's something to do with his and Picard's irumodic syndrome? Eh??
It was nice seeing them all gathered together again, the original team. Man that was good and SATISFYING. Seeing the original cast back together again, brilliant.
It's all about reunion, nothing else.
Embedded in a predictable, simple-minded and obscure framework they call 'story'.
The gang is all here, but... Lower Decks showed him the respect of calling him the greatest Star Fleet officer of all time, but the writers here couldn't have found a way to include Chief Miles O'Brien?
Nothing else to say but 10/10.
"Fucking solids!"
:joy::sob::heart::raised_hands_tone4:
If you didnt cry for Data, even if you saw what he was doing coming, then screw you bruh! The gang is back together for one final round, and if you don't get why that's awesome, get the fuck outa here!
Season 3 is the best one so far
Off course it had to be a romulan who got executed...
I can't help but think, that Troi is a changeling, like a plan B or maybe even the actual Plan A all along to bring Jack to open that damn red door . :thinking:
Back from the summer hiatus. Had to stop mid-season. Made me to angry. Watched some DS9 to pacify myself...
In this episode, There's bits and pieces I like. Like Troi and Wil interacting. Like Worf coming to the rescue (though it's never explained how he was able to appear that conveniently just for the dramatic effect). I like how the bridge is cleared. I like how Geordie and Data 2.0 interact.
The rest is a stupid action movie with a lot of dishonest (totally artificial) emotional stuff supported by a way too dramatic FX and score and with a lot of unnecessary gimmicks like Data's "dream sequence". Still don't understand why Data is dragged into this season. He's a glorified database and security system. And his dream sequence scene is a glorified anti virus operation. He's mere fan-service it seems. I liked the return of Spot though (I predicted both: Spot will return and we'll see Tasha [if only as a holo figurine] again in this show]. The overacting baddie is still straight from the Austin Powers franchise. Good that she's gone. The most stupid part is still the boy's superpowers. I don't like this at all. It was never properly explained. That's not sci-fi. That's a mystery element. And while mystery elements were always present in TNG, they always had the tendency to take out all the fun from proper sci-fi. And when the boy finally (finally!) "comes clean" and explains his "condition", the scene is underwhelming. He's barely able to express himself. He maybe stammers two or three incoherent sentences explaining his condition. Likewise, the reaction of the others is underwhelming. Nobody - not even his mother - asks how exactly this materializes or works and nobody asks him a question in that moment. Writers need him for battle and the part with Troi is almost an afterthought that isn't concluded in this episode anyway. And when you think this Jake BS is finally over, they are bringing back the "red door" and the gloom like it's Hyrule castle. Really? They still want to continue with this mystery? They still use this for cheap cliffhangers instead of telling a concise story. And how or if that's connected to Picard's human body is still a mystery. (I suspect even in hindsight after the final episode this whole plot element will still be ridiculous) They briefly talk about this but writers still think that they need to milk these mystery elements. What an annoying pattern.
Btw: retaking the bridge with the boy's and Data's help works surprisingly quickly. (Data would have been sufficient if you think hard about this. Just like the last time when his forcefield manipulations were crucial.) Destroying the other ship (remember: the most powerful thing in the sector!) is also conveniently easy. Is there nobody aboard organizing self-defense? Have they all beamed over to the Titan?
Let me say a word about the nostalgia. Yes, that's a thing. Seeing them reunite in the briefing room does something to me. But this can't be the show can it? I mean, if you think about it, what happened in this episode? They retook the Titan, killed a few of their enemies (the others still in control of key positions within Starfleet) and saved most of their lives. That's basically it... That's not a plot, that's a family reunion. They want you to watch the next episode to find out the explanation to all the mysteries (presumably only to be disappointed like in both seasons before) and you can't give up now due to the invested time and your (also mine) ignorance of the sunk-cost fallacy.
They’re taking way too fucking long to get to the damn point with Jack
As much as I've loved this season, I do find it extremely predictable and still falls prey to the issues of the other seasons. It's really odd because it gives so much nostalgia, but fails in doing it correctly and is filled with plot holes.
One new thing I loved was Captain Vadic. One of my favourite bad guys of Star Trek. I know she died but I hope somehow she comes back .
I also hope that this season isn't the end of the show. I didn't think I'd say this after the first few seasons, but I've smiled a lot here.
Amanda Plummer (Needful Things) is excellent in this. I didn’t even know she was still around.
One of the negatives that I mentioned in a review of a previous episode of this season is the fact that the show has become more Star Wars and less Star Trek. A perfect example of this is the way that the Data vs Lore business plays out. It isn't about coding or anything remotely STEM related; instead, it's all about the feelz and, as a result, is the sort of thing an English major with no scifi background would write. The same goes for the "evacuation hatch" nonsense, and the fact that it provides for Vadic's instantly classic exit line doesn't do anything to reduce the stupidity of it. In an otherwise pretty solid episode, these are significant disappointments for me, but they are consistent with how science is taking a back seat to other things at this point.
Good episode. This season is so much better than the crud they produced for season two.
10/10
All Gold
Well that was
frickin Awesome,
This episode was the
Gift that kept on giving
Holy-smokes,
the tension was dialed
up to 11,
Phenomenal performances
all round and some
massive massive
Closure moments
that let you know
This is really the
End of
The Generation
Forever.
Then the theme we all
Love and know fades in.
It's been one
Hella of a ride,
Outstanding in fact
Built up on
Special, Special Moments
and that scene at the end
Well I have not the words
to articulate it accordingly.
Except to say:
If that didn't hit you in
the feels
Then you need to check
your Pulse because
you're already dead.
"FCUKING SOLIDS"
While Worf and Raffi save Riker and Troi from Vadic's ship, the crew on the Titan has to regain their ship - and they need Data to do it.
The little moments are what make this episode great: the smile on my face when the old TNG crew assembled around the conference table for the first time. That alone made this old ST-fan happy, even if it doesn't really make much sense that a team that doesn't even belong in the command crew of the Titan makes all the executive decisions. Where were Shaw and Seven in that conference?
So, in the end they got rid of Vadic (finally!) and can now focus on what's going on with Jack. And I guess we all know what that is.
The Data/Lore confrontation was a bit too simplistic for my taste. Because in the end Data wins by throwing fanservice aka memories at Lore... I'd have wished for a true symbiosis of the two parts of new!Data's personality. Who's to say that Data had more right to survival than Lore - just because Lore's evil? And honestly, I know in that situation they needed Data's help, but it felt like they only cheered Data on because of his potential help, not for himself. That did dampen my enthusiasm for the true reunion moment.
this is what fans wanted.i cried on this episode.loved to see the crew together again
Even I, had a tear in my eye in this episode.
Best season so far.
I cried , I laughed and I cried again!!! Pure excellence!!!!
The ominous sound of the shrine was really unnecessary ...
Shout by AmBush-UKVIP 3BlockedParent2023-04-06T22:05:14Z
Vadic: "Oh, fucking solids." LMAO, A great Episode !
This has got to be IMO one of The best Star Trek's Ever, It's got Real Laugh out LOUD laughs, It's got Eye watering sadnes (Yea It's fiction) and nostalgia for some of the original Crew Natasha 'Tasha' Yar
Great seeing the TNG crew back together, It's just a shame It's taken so long IMO