Jesus Christ!! That last minute :joy:. Just.... holy sh*t. Great episode.
As Butcher would say, “Fuckin Diabolical!”
Even Homelander was clueless when everyone started exploding haha
Well, shit. They don't call this show mindblowing for nothing.
This episode was the most bloody one towards the end..yep even more brutal than the red wedding..call it the red slaughter.
Not the greatest The Boys episode, esp. not Season 2's good. They have come this far to plan and strategize against Vought, yet they don't seem to have any backup plan... not with Lamplighter, who they leave only with Hughie to babysit, and especially not with Dr. Vogelbaum, the man behind all these, the most important man who should have acted as key witness? With Lamplighter, okay, they missed their chance, but Butcher and Mallory could have at least made Vogelbaum recorded his confession or some sort since they should have known that sending him off means an extremely high risk of failure. And they freaking knew there's someone out there who can pop head out of nowhere. Why don't they take any precaution?
The one scene with Hughie and Lamplighter is kind of dumb too, only showing him as ever petulant bystander who can't prioritize - which is a step down of character development since he blew Transluscent's ass. Butcher family drama seems to give a hint of character development but the pacing is too convenient as a cop out for stuff to fall apart.
I really need an a-day-in-the-life episode for Ashley the Vought publicist. “This is not lesbian, this is not on brand!”
Oh my god everything in this episode. Wow!
We are living in the golden age of adapting graphic novels to TV shows (Watchmen, The Boys, Preacher...). As powerful and irreverent as they could only be in print before.
[7.8/10] It’s being somebody’s child in the world of The Boys. Pretty much everybody in the show has parental issues, and that’s the central theme of this episode.
The biggest of those is Butcher, whose dad (John Noble!) we meet for the first time. When Becca spoke about some hate in him that predated her, we didn’t know that this is where it came from. Butcher’s dad reportedly beat the hell out of his sons, pushed out Billy’s brother to “sink or swim,” and was hard on his boys in a misguided effort to make them tough. It succeeded with Billy, but also turned him into an anhedonic, miserable bastard. Billy obviously still has a ton of issues, one which a confrontation with his father doesn't solve despite his mom’s best intentions, and it helps put Billy’s problems into focus.
Of course, the other big one is poor Ryan, Homelander’s son. Homelander himself has all kinds of parental issues. His mommy complex has been well on display, but it’s also plain that he has issues with his own surrogate father, Dr. Vogelbaum. The “good” doctor tells Billy himself that Homelander was once a sweet kid, one who liked stories of grand adventures and even cuddled up with his would-be dad, until Vogelbaum cracked down on him to make the “greatest hero in the world.” It’s then that Billy realizes he and Homelander suffer from the same pathology, and that maybe they’re equally fucked up, albeit in different ways.
But Homelander’s chief bugaboo is lying, the sense of the world having been kept from him. So when he flies back to Becca’s house, with Stormfront in tow, he’s there to steal his child away and, worse yet, turn him against Becca. In a strange way, he’s a grim reflection of Batman, who tried to form his own crime-fighting family to replace the one he’d lost. Homelander wants to form his own fucked up family, with he and Stormfront as ma and pa, and Ryan as a surrogate self he can turn into his own junior ubermensch.
In a strange way, it comes from a good place, as both he and Becca are trying to avoid the fake, sheltered life Homelander had growing up that turned him into this monster. But it’s devastating, terrifying, gut-wrenching when Homelander exposes the fakeness of their neighborhood, spurs Ryan to hate his mom, and nabs him away from her.
The other big event is a Congressional hearing on Vought, one that has Mallory trying to marshal witnesses to expose the evil corporation. They already have Lamplighter, who’s assigned to be babysat by Hughie. But they’re trying to get Vogelbaum to testify as well. His reasons for refusing are because he doesn’t want to put his family at risk, as a father and grandparent. Mallory knows better than anyone that he’s right, and basically tells MM to give this up so that he can go be with his family.
There’s a grim but strangely sentimental fatalism in The Boys. Annie tells her own mother that everything she believed in is a lie, that the work they do doesn’t matter, that the bad guys profit and prosper. Mallory all but repeats the same line, and the closing bloodbath seems to confirm it. But at the same time, she basically tells MM that if the fight is a losing one anyway, then treasure the time with the people you love instead of waging a losing battle. Hers is a cynical perspective, but also one that comes with the experience of losing something innocent and precious in the name of a fight that couldn’t be won.
Unfortunately for Annie, whether her mom’s in on it or not, their meeting exposes her and burns her with Vought. I still want to know Black Noir’s deal, but him emerging out of nowhere to knockout and kidnap her is utterly terrifying. It gives Hughie and Lamplighter the chance to stop sitting on the sidelines and go become the person who takes action, in an effort to rescue her. The porn and verbiage that motivates the two of them is strange as all get out, but their adventure together is a thrill for a time.
And then things get brutal. Lamplighter self-immolates in a sad scene, uttering that he just wanted to make his dad proud to connect with the larger motif of the episode. He never wanted to rescue Starlight, just find a poetic spot for his suicide. Nevertheless, it manages to free Starlight, who’s trapped in an unilluminated steel cage, by sparking on the emergency lights that allow her to escape. An injured Hughie coming to rescue her, as the two of them meet in the hall with Annie’s mother in tow, shows Starlight that despite her lament earlier, she is not alone. There is at least one person who cares about her more than anything in the world.
Otherwise, Maeve suffers terribly when Elena sees the “real her” after the airplane video and can’t take it. But she has an incredible Big Damn Hero moment when rescuing Annie from Black Noir, with the perfectly ironic solution of jamming an almond joy down his throat for his tree nut allergy. Frenchie and Kimiko have a small but sweet moment of reconciliation after everything, as she begins to teach him her sign language (after he talks about the rougher parts of his own childhood). And even Ashley, amid all of his PR and management, acts like a “real human being” with Maeve, which is subtly uplifting with everything that’s happening.
The other big thing is the way that Homelander and Stormfront’s propaganda is whipping up bigoted elements into a frenzy. We see it at their rallies and the vitriol aimed at the show’s AOC analogue. But we also see it in the chilling opening vignette, where a montage featuring Community’s Real Neil becoming an anti-Supe shooter shows how insidious this rhetoric and instigation can be.
Still, it looks like the (comparatively) good guys have the edge, when despite Lamplighter’s absence, Billy manages to convince Vogelbaum to testify. Then, in one of those scenes that disturbs in the way only The Boys can, everyone in the hearing’s heads start popping. Vogelbaum, the chair, a host of bystanders’ noggins burst like water baloons, and the panic and terror that follows is stomach-churning. Whoever’s doing this (the Eleven-like figure from the last episode?) hasn’t been stopped, and every attempt to rein in Vought or its agents just results in more bloodshed. After a host of parental reunions, the violence still reigns, and none of the children seem better for it. It’s a grim note to end on, but one appropriate to the collection of moms and dads and kids who still seem to carry the scars of their mistakes.
This is getting really boring....
TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
PLEASE STAND BY
Hahahahahaha! C'mon now, people. Let's not lose our heads.
This was a rather dull episode as far as The Boys goes. It had an explosive ending but that's about it. As always it's a pleasure to see John Noble but his tough accent was a bit weak less subtle than his normal work. But we're probably not going to see a lot of him anyway. Shame because his acting itself was fine.
I know it's a cool effect, but someone in production must LOVE that pimple poppin' thingy.
I know, I know, the last scene. But just want to say that Karl Urban was fucking dynamite this ep.
Butcher's backstory falls flat for me. This show isn't art and I am not looking for depth.
Well I liked Candlestick man.
Anyone else who's getting annoyed by Black Noir though? He's like the silent agoniser in the show who's just there to fuck things up or kill people, but has absolutely zero personality.
Elena is fucking weak. Maeve deserves someone so much better.
It's ironic how after Hughie's and Lamplighter's talk about cucks, Hughie used him like a cuck to save his girlfriend. Then, we have Mallory's talk with M.M. about the macho self-sacrificing bullshit and, stereotypically, Lamplighter followed the redemption-equals-death trope. Hughie mutilating Lamplighter's crispy corpse was like the show pissing on his sacrifice and this tired masculine trope. Very ballsy satire.
Butcher confronting his abusive father and Homelander confronting Rebecca were the other good parts of the episode.
The way this show has to keep upping it's violence and gore level, from giant whale innards to multiple heads exploding like a harmony, to keep surprising the audience is...entertaining af
a shoutout to lamplighter for his genius solution! Total respect for this.
wow just when I thought Vought was gonna go down... that ending lol
Annie: "Mum, they could be looking—"
Good god, that made me jump
Annie: "Please let me out. Please."
Poor Annie...
Lamplighter: "I'm like the cuck in the porn, sitting on the sidelines while the real heroes are out there doing the fucking."
Homelander: "This used to be a-a beautiful country."
Mr Butcher: "You either sink or you swim, and, in Lenny's case, he chose to sink."
**Homelander: "All right, well, Ryan, I'd love you to meet my girlfriend, Stormfront."
M.M.: "When this is done, I'll take you up on that."
Mallory: "But that's the point, Marvin. It's never done. You just let go. No justice for your father. No revenge against Vought. You get nothing, except your family. Go and never come back. I wish I had."Alastair Adana: "What do you guys think of Eagle the Archer?"
The Deep: "Oh, he's like a brother to me. Yeah, he was there for me when I was at rock bottom. He's the most kind, loving person that you ever—"
Alastair: "He's a toxic personality, and no Church members are to have any contact with him whatsoever."
Maeve: "Ashley. For once in your life, be a fucking human being."
Stormfront: "And visits to Vought Land."
Butcher kinda similar the Homelander, judging by their father figures...
Butcher threatening a man's kids? God damn
Omg, bye-bye Lamplighter
Hughie, that is disgusting
Maeve saved Starlight :O
Mallory: "What do you mean, no worries?"
Butcher: "I mean, I've got it sorted."
Holy shit the courtroom scene! It was something like the Red Wedding but in the style of The Boys
This show is absolute BONKERS. It feels like nobody is ever safe. I can only imagine where this is all leading.
But am I the only one who finds Billy Butcher more grating than charming? I’m really trying to like him, but he makes it difficult with his incessant brooding, recklessness, and sarcasm. I knows he’s supposed to be “badass,” but... I dunno... just not feeling it.
And HOW did Starlight ever get into The Seven? She never seems to stand a chance against anyone. I love her character, so I’m hoping they give her (and her powers) a moment to shine.
Black Noir vs. Almond Joy = Priceless.
Also... I see you Walter Bishop. ;-)
It took seven episodes for there to be an episode this good in this season, but it happened. I'm satisfied. Part of me thinks the finale won't be as good, and that's fine; because of how good this one was. If this episode wasn't as good as it was, and the finale ends up being decent enough but nothing more, I probably would end up having a slight problem with it. But not anymore.
The ending of this episode was excellent. The final minute or so was easily the best part, and it was so good that it elevated the entire episode for me; which is the reason that I've given it a rating of eight out of ten, whereas I've only given a six or seven to all of the previous episodes.
And I'm curious as to what the hell happened. I thought it was Stormfront that blew Susan's head up in the premiere, yet that doesn't seem to be the case. If it were, that would mean she's the one who did it to all those people at the end. And I don't think it was. Homelander certainly looked a little surprised. I'll admit, we didn't get a good look at her reaction, though, so I guess it still could end up being her. But I don't think it is.
It's possible that she was the one who did it to Susan and that she's not the one responsible this time. But I have a feeling that whoever is responsible for the incident at the end of the episode is also responsible for what happened to Susan, which I now think isn't Stormfront. My immediate thought was poison and that it was somehow administered to a select few that would end up being in that place.
Another theory of mine is a miniature device implanted in the head of someone that blows up via a remote trigger. That would make sense with Jonah and Shockwave, but they weren't the only ones whose heads blew up. And, needless to say, the theory wouldn't make sense with everyone else whose heads blew up.
But I just thought of something that makes so much more sense; Compound V. Lamplighter, in the previous episode, mentioned three things that could happen with Compound V. You get powers, you become a freak, or you explode. I think Stan was able to get it into the systems of most of the people that were going to be in the courtroom. I don't know how, but that's my theory.
This episode began abruptly, like the previous episode, and that threw me off a little bit, which took me a little while to get back into the swing of things. The ending was the highlight of it, no doubt. There were other moments that I liked, too. Other than that, most of this episode wasn't that captivating. I didn't care about most of it. But the ending was so good that it made the entire episode worthwhile. I'll be fine with it if the finale is a bit underwhelming because of it. Honestly, it's about time that I've finished watching this season. It's been alright. I'm mildly interested to see how it'll end.
Good. Becca you idiot, you deserve that shit. What the hell did you think was going to happen?
Plot twist: Lenny is Faramir XD
The ending of this episode stuck with me the entire day, I watched the episode in the morning and my heart was still beating a little fast thinking about it in the evening
Anyone else catching the Church of Scientology references?
nah that ending was INSANE
Holly shit, the last minute was insane, no one had a clue of anything!
The red wedding and Fring are related to this episode :wink:
This show MIGHT have gone from crap to just bad if they had gotten rid of that useless fuckup Hughie.
Hate that Black Noir is just Mr Edgar’s killing machine! I wanna get to know him! Like what’s his deal? And it looks like he hasn’t healed completely from this season’s first episode
Holey shmoley... What tha frak...???
Several things of the episode have left me open-mouthed. Now to wait until Friday to see how the season ends
Mediocre episode that keeps walking the narrow line between being woke and anti-woke which remains interesting. Certain changes from the comics however make me fear this will go into a certain direction and the mention of Pewdiepie by our lovable Stormfront can't be but intentional.... And pretty lame.
As for the final few minutes: sure, shocker but that shouldn't be the reason the episode is deemed GREAT. Especially since what happened before was a lot of "sad sad men" scenes and nothing much else.
Mindblowing (eeerg). That last minute is red wedding of The Boys! T O T A L L Y E P I C ! ...and of course that ending music R O F L ! Shame they couldn't afford more money for Shawn Ashmore.
By the way guys, i'm %100 with Homelander about his son. Becca just doing same shit as she says opposite, Homelander became that because they always lied to him, now Becca is same kind of idiot. Just kill her Homelander, moron. Willy you deserve more than that idiot woman.
With this chapter my head has exploded. Can anyone explain to me what that was about at the end?
I think I've seen enough head's exploding for one lifetime, jeez.
Shout by RoVIP 4BlockedParentSpoilers2020-10-02T09:52:26Z
Is Dr. Walter Bischop Billy Butcher’s dad?!
Fring for thought!