When Stormfront is speaking German, it's actually pretty good, but with strong accents. She's saying: "Do you remember that day, Frederick, Cloe put her arms out the car window. We found the perfect spot by the river in the shade of an apple tree. It was the first time Cloe ate fresh apples."
‘But it is not about me. I can’t lash out like some raging, entitled maniac. That’s a white man’s luxury’ - Stan Edgar -
This episode was something omg and best of the season, of the show, so much pay off to what they were building and terrific performance by the actors and writers. Homelander is in an interesting place...it will be good to see what he does during season 3 and that ending omg. S3 looks super exciting already.
This finale feels like not just a finale for Season 2, but Season 1 as well. It wraps up the plot that has been worked on since Season 1, and in some ways turning it to full circle, e.g. Butcher's quest for Becca, A-Train subplot, Hughie's self-discovery, and the rest of The Boys's relationship with each other.
As usual, The Boys does the best job when they take a jab on current corporatist-political climate.
“People love what I have to say. They believe in it," Stormfront confidently said. "They just don’t like the word Nazi." A racist superhero is Vought's darling - one that casually screams lingos like "white genocide" to young boys. Seemingly contradictory considering Stan Edgar, who would be target of racism, is Vought's CEO. But Edgar insisted that it is not about him. "I can’t lash out like some raging, entitled maniac," Stan Edgar responded as he smiled when confronted on what he did, "That’s a white man’s luxury." Anger drives demands for securitization. Demands for securitization drives demands for Compound V. Vought just "play with the cards we're dealt." Like Maeve's bisexuality that Vought plays, racism is just another card to eventually drive profit. Be it racism or empowerment, they are all smoke and mirrors.
But of course the thickest smoke and mirror is not a mere woke capitalism - something we can already obviously see. The thickest smoke is one that makes us think that within this war of attrition, another hero existed, and they would fight for our cause. We follow them as they march - our symbol of hope. This episode reveals something that has been foreshadowed very early in this season: "it's a fucking coup from the inside," said Raynor, before her head got blown into bits. Neuman, an obvious parody of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, raised into the spotlight as an opposition toward Vought and Homelander. But as it is revealed that it was her who was blowing people's head, and she has blown the church leader's head too as soon as she knew he has files on supes, it is revealed that she is actually a controlled opposition by Vought. Like the politicians who hail from Democratic Party, a part of ruling oligarchy, The Boys takes another jab that we should really never trust heroes, be it in the form of supe or another.
This reveal is also a very nice setup as it closes the arcs on Season 1 and 2, and prepares for another arc coming in Season 3. It gets interesting as I had myself asking, "can Homelander end up being our hope now?" This sort of dilemma is what piqued my interest in The Boys; we can't really easily label one as evil and another as good, as - like in real life - today's enemy can be tomorrow's ally, and vice versa.
That being said, I do not think this episode is a perfect ten. Butcher's quest for his wife, for example, was quite unsatisfying. Becca, despite having a lot of screen time, does not possess actual agency, and more like a side character who happens to be involved in Butcher's bigger story. Despite revolving around his infatuation with his supposedly long-dead wife, the way the subplot climaxes leaves much to be desired as Butcher seemingly sidesteps Becca's death. How would Butcher reconcile with such heavily emotional feeling, after years of losing her, finding her, and now he is losing her again? How would Ryan, her son, react to the loss of the only guardian he ever knew in all his life? Those questions remain unresolved. We get to see more time of Hughie and Starlight bonding - while it resolves the tension in their relationship, there is not much resolution or development going on in that aspect.
In addition to that, while watching girls trio beating up Nazi is fun to watch (though it seems to lean more on the cathartic side too much) - and especially funny since it is another parody at Marvel, the forced "girl power" scene in Endgame - Maeve's appearance seems a bit too convenient, deus ex machina that resolves not just the issue with Stormfront, but also Homelander. The Boys has been sort of weak in the last three episodes in employing deus ex machina, something I wish could be worked on more on the next season.
All in all though, this is a much better finale than Season 1's.
It's been a solid season. I enjoyed Stormfront's comeuppance but her injuries - and Becca's for that matter - from Ryan's attack made no sense. I get she would lose her arm (since that's how she was holding Becca) but how did she also lose both her legs and be burned all down one side of her face? Not to mention Becca gets some slice across the throat at the same time?! I'm sure Stormfront will be back as 2.0 at some point next season, even if it's as the finale cliffhanger.
The church storyline kinda seemed to go nowhere since A-Train is back in the Seven, The Deep has seemingly walked out, and the leader (a wasted Goran Visnjic) is dead. I wondered if there was going to be something to the drink they were always pushing on people...
Nevertheless, it was a great episode and set up our heroes and anti-heroes in an interesting place for season 3.
Despite a very, very few valuable moments this series is still a showcase. The one kind that want to sell everything with blood, gore, and semi-complex reflection of our world, but practically that's it? The disapproval of capitalism and all netting media corporations is the thing that keeps it afloat, needless to say, that's counterproductive because thats how the show is sold to us in the first place. The characters are shallow with 2 exceptions, and they are not created in a way that I would have shed tears if any of them died, because I get only so few brief windows to know and invest in them, if there is any, that is. Kimiko died and woke up, then went dancing with Frenchie like nothing happened. There are too many characters and the focus among them is not shared enough to have more than a handful of meaningful moments, especially if their moments are not really about them, but about showing some fucked up mechanism moving our world. The Deep's storyline? It told us more about the collective (and fake churches in real life) than about Deep or A-Train, only to have one scene that binds them to the main story. It's like the show is so in love with its concept what how it thinks it's full of contemporary relevant stuff, that it rarely does anything truly noteworthy besides the creative merchandise they can shine in every 15 minutes.
A Japanese woman and a LGBT woman beating the living shit out of a NaziI call it Poetic Cinema chief kiss
ALSO WHAT THE FUCK
Homelander can do whatever the Fuck he wants!
Politicians... Always trying new ways to get into our heads.
All over the place. The writing was weak. This wasn't a great season overall but maybe my standards are just too high...
That was a bitch fight I didn't know I needed! Loved that Maeve got involved too. I doubt that this was the last we saw of Stormfront though, they could do a Dark Vader style twist with her there. I also don't know what that congress woman's deal is now, is she pro Vought? But her campaign is against Vought... what is the deal with that. Glad they showed us her head popping skills though, nice setup for season 3.
The subtitle of this one should be “Girls get it fucking done”
Wonder why Nazi characters always have to make it about apple trees. Some romanticist notion probably. Still as silly as Stormfront’s bad German.
Well, Homelander is still alive, the boys might get an official title now and A-Train is probably going to fuck up again. And poor Deep, always ending up on the bottom. Lots of material for a new season. But at least give them all a little break.
Damn that ending though! Now we know that one little unsolved mystery. Wonder what her true motive is.
Did anyone notice the parallels between Anakin Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith and Stormfront at the end of this episode?
For me, the best part was watching Stormfront getting beaten up.
Fucking amazing. Girls get it done was the best part of the hole chapter, i knew queen maeve would eventuall do something.
Incredible finale! This show does NOT hold back — and I love it!
I probably rewatched the scene where the women kick Stormfront’s ass over a dozen times. Immensely gratifying. Tho I was hoping Kimiko would be the one to deal the final blow.
It was nice to see Butcher be a bit more sensible this time around. And kudos to Urban for a solid performance.
A stellar and wildly entertaining season overall. I’m excited to see what comes next!
As expected, this finale ended up being slightly underwhelming. Honestly, this whole season has been somewhat underwhelming. But that's beside the point right now. As always, though, there were moments that I liked in this episode, moments that weren't underwhelming, so to speak. The episode itself, on the other hand, was essentially like all the other episodes of the season; plotlines and plot progression that take a few steps forward and then take more steps backward and stay there, slow (and not in a well-done way, in my opinion), and ultimately, probably easily forgettable; with, of course, moments that weren't or were more memorable.
Seemingly, The Boys are disbanded. M.M. has returned to his family; something that I think he brought up in the premiere, and some other times throughout the season, as well. Frenchie and Kimiko are growing closer and seem to be off on their own adventure. Billy seemed to decline Grace's offer at the end of the episode; well, he didn't answer. And Hughie wants a break from having guts all over him, thinks he doesn't fit in with The Boys and never has, and wants to stand on his own two feet for once, and now wants to do things the right way, in a way that seemingly indicates that it won't result in having guts all over him.
Of course, this seeming-to-be disbandment of The Boys isn't going to last. And I think I know what's going to bring everyone back together, minus Hughie; but maybe he'll come back, too, due to something else. I was expecting Grace to die in this finale. I remember that there was a flashback in the comics of The Boys making a deal with The Seven with Mallory (who was a guy in the comics) at the helm, a deal having to do with both parties no longer fighting each other, something like that; and that he was killed at some point after that deal was made, which led to The Boys coming back together, back in business, and then, that's what ended up leading to Billy recruiting Hughie.
Grace's death would work as a tool to bring everyone back together, no matter what. But Hughie doesn't know her as well as Billy, Frenchie, and M.M. do, which is why I think something else besides that will be the ultimate reason for Hughie to come back. And while Kimiko doesn't know Grace that well, either, she'll probably go wherever Frenchie goes.
So, Victoria has superpowers. And they seem to coincide with what happened at the end of the previous episode and with what happened to Susan. Based on that revelation, the scene with her and Grace talking to the Secretary of Defense is seen in a different light. In that scene, she placed blame on Vought ━ twice. She blamed them for what happened. Then, when Robert replied by stating that a bunch of their guys died, too, she responded by insinuating it was to cover their tracks. Those two details stick out now.
It's possible that she did all of that to push the President to start having people use Compound V, for some reason; political gain, perhaps, or maybe she's truly against Vought and is using Compound V; so she has the means to do it her way, like in the comics where The Boys used it to have better chances against those with superpowers and did things their way.
After all, the Church of the Collective is on Vought's side or something like that, and she probably knew that. Meaning, taking out Alastair wasn't a move that was done out of now being a villain but rather a necessary evil to deal a major blow to Vought, specifically Stan. I'm not convinced that she's going to be a villain. But I don't think that she was the one who killed Susan and those people in the courtroom in the previous episode.
At the end of this episode, we saw her eyes as a metallic, silvery color, which suggests that when she uses her powers, her eyes glow like that and that she has to be looking at the person, of course. And we didn't see her eyes do that in the courtroom. I think my theory about Compound V; Stan getting it into the systems of people who'd be in the courtroom; is correct or more likely than Victoria being responsible. And if I'm correct, that could mean Stan did that to push the President into supplying Compound V.
I don't quite have any ideas as to what the purpose of Victoria is going to be and what she's going to be used for in the third season because I think she's a character who's exclusive to the show. I don't think she's from the comics. But it's possible that there was a character in the comics who was somewhat significant and a politician, and her character is based around that character, or it's the same thing with her as it is with Grace and Stormfront; as in, their counterparts in the comics were men.
Also, what's up with Cindy? The last time we saw her was two episodes ago; she didn't show up again in the previous episode. There's no way she isn't going to return in the third season because that will be ridiculous on the writers' part to leave something like that open-ended and forget all about it. But, oddly, they didn't have her show up again in the last two episodes of the season. Could she have been in the comics, like Love Sausage, and that's why the last time we saw her was the way it was?
I think there were things done throughout this season, developments that were built, that are paving the way for the show to be closer to the comics, specifically in the third season and onward; certain aspects like the world itself, which I think is starting to become more similar to the way it was from the get-go in the comics, the way it felt; the relationships and dynamics between the characters, like Frenchie and Kimiko; new characters introduced that were prominent in the comics, developments to one's character that aligns said character more to his or her's counterpart in the comics, like the death of Billy's wife, Becca; so on and so forth. I think, as an entire thing, that was the highlight of the season, with there being moments that were other highlights, in a lesser and/or different sense.
Anyway, this finale was alright. I know that I rated the previous episode with an eight (out of ten), the highest rating I've given an episode of this season; it was because of the ending, but it was still like all the other episodes, as was this finale. The plot, story, or plotlines, whatever you'd call it, of this season was the main factor for the feeling of underwhelming-ness to each episode. Despite that, I still enjoyed watching each episode, including this finale. And, as I've said before, there were plenty of moments; yes, moments, throughout the season, throughout each episode, moments that were good and memorable, better than others, better than the episodes themselves. And, well, I guess that's good enough.
Damn this finale was intense!!! That battle with Stormfront and girls was so hype! So glad she's dead, I couldn't stand her!
what an intense episode! totally loved it, no complaints.ALSO, DON'T MISS THE BONUS CONTENT!
A solid episode with a lot of standouts. more importantly it brings a relatively satisfying conclusion to Season 1 in spite of the fact that this felt like a single season show at the rate they were burning through the original canon. There is a "fridging" incident which is a minor spoilers. Having just read Jim Butcher's Battle Ground, the latest in the Dresden Files series, and then learned that many people feel that character was fridged I do have thoughts on how it was done here. In Battle Ground we lose a character that has been with the series for a long time. A character we've had POVs in short stories. A character who has had time to defy Dresden and work with him and build her own role. A character who has earned the trust and respect of not a small number of supernatural entities. . I think the point of the fridge is that it disregards the character's agency in order to enhance our leading man. I think suggesting that's what happened in Battle Ground is silly. But when it comes to The Boys I think it's a different argument. Becca starts off as she does in the comics as an idealized wife character. That's nothing necessarily wrong with that (aside from the things that are wrong with that; See also: The Punisher Season 1). But we don't get to see Becca have agency in the narrative. Not like The Boys and certainly not like the equivalent character in Battle Ground. Becca even when she shows up it a pretty limited side character. Which i maintain isn't necessarily a bad thing until she dies. She doesn't really go out fighting just bullied to activate the child and bring Billy the Butcher full circle. It's a bit off topic but that's why I don't particularly care for her death.
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I will cling on to this show no matter what!
This is an entertaining show but overall this season was kind of flat and the show has this feeling of self importance that was never earned
Did not see that final reveal coming.
This finale was a mixed bag. It took some artistic liberties but the final 5 minutes salvaged it a bit.
That final scene with Homelander? That's exactly what Donald Trump will be doing on inauguration day. Except on the White House lawn.
GIRLS GET IT DONE!Wow... an amazing mindblowing show! My main complaint is that I want MORE! Wished this had more episodes, 12 episodes seasons would be great!!Also we need to appreciate that we have THREE ACTORS FROM TIMELESS!!!!!!! Rufus! Jiya! Garcia Flynn! Maybe this is the timeline after they messed something in the past! However I’m sad we won’t be seeing more of Alistair (Garcia) but we will definitely see more of Victoria (Jiya)But speaking more seriously the only thing I disliked were a couple of the cliches, like Kimiko’s brother being “evil” and then being killed one episode later, and the worst cliche ever Becca’s death!!!!! Like how predictable was that!! And the worst part is her death didn’t make any sense, cause Ryan’s eye laser power BURNS so it would burn stormfront’s arms/torso so how did Becca end up with a CUT??? A cut from a burn? Also Butcher had ONE JOB, take care of the kid so he doesn’t lose his humanity which would turn him into homelander jr, and WHAT’S THE FIRST THING HE DOES? Give the kid to the CIA... a good formula for disaster! Can’t wait for season 3!!!
The women of the show coming together to beat the shit out of a Nazi to the sound of Peaches. Doesn't get much better than that.
What an underwhelming snoozefest.They should call this The Girls cause the are the only one who are actually not sobbing, whining and standing on the side the whole time.
Less talking about feelings and a bit more fleshed out action would have been better but I guess a 3 minute battle with the "big bad" and a good talking to is enough for most people. For me, it is not.
The end of the season has been intense. Let's see what they do in season 3. That tribute to Love actually at the end of the episode
Very fun and exciting finale to a season that is a clear step-up from the first one. Anthony Starr is already a great scene-stealer last time, but this season he really becomes the show's whole MVP.
A season finale done right ("The Walking Dead" needs to take notes).
Well, saw that coming; makes sense though.