So Bobby Singer is still Bob Singer ;) awesome. Dean and Bobby on the Boys.
I absolutely loved the really inappropriate song at the end and the funny spoof tv show of The Deep at the beginning. This show has always been about parodying superhero culture and corporate America, but this season is reaching new highs.
This has easily been the strongest couple of opening episodes of any season of this show yet. Hope it continues.
[7.4/10] The common theme in the episode seems to be, “There’s something wrong with me, and the only way I know how to fix it is something bad.” That’s not a bad theme for a show with so many folks with various hang-ups and outright personality disorders.
The one that’s the most frightening, and the most telegraphed, is Homelander, of course. He’s used to being the center of attention, the guy who always gets his way, because of who he is and what he is. Now his birthday celebration is being marginalized. He takes Stormfront’s pained suffering to be ignoring his special day. He’s still being criticized for associating with Nazis. He’s being upstaged and power-moved by his “co-captain” Starlight. Everything he knew is being undermined and sidelined.
So it’s finally time for mask off. He finally stops repeating the shtick, and instead says what he really believes. To put it in MJF terms, he’s “better than you, and you know it.” It’s frightening to have him basically demanding to be worshiped, stop playing the part of magnanimous paragon of virtue and start asserting himself as above the “dirt people” and not subject to their whims or their laws. He legitimately thinks of himself as persecuted, as messianic, and him not even trying to keep up the facade is concerning. The only thing scarier than his little manifesto is the boyfriend of MM’s wife sitting on the couch enraptured and cheering it on, a reflection of the real life sick puppies who buy into that type of rhetoric.
What’s interesting is Stan Edgar’s ace in the hole. Candidly, I’ve wondered for a while why he felt so comfortable talking so harshly and firmly with someone who everyone else is afraid of. Frankly, I kept waiting for him to take out some kryptonite. Instead, it turns out, he’s a surrogate father to Victoria Newman, who’s ready and capable to take care of business for him should things go wrong. (Which, incidentally, is my theory for what happened to Soldier Boy.) I’ll admit, like a lot in this episode, it feels like a plot detail that’s tacked on kind of out of nowhere, a bit too conveniently, but it at least made me raise an eyebrow, which is something.
I’m also interested in Hughie pursuing Newman’s story out of a sense that he can’t do anything right, or is starting to feel a certain inferiority complex for not being a Supe, especially when he’s worried that Alex is going to move in on Starlight. Him feeling less than when opening a jar of mustard, prompting him to try to bluff his way through a group home or awkward exchange with Newman over what he saw is at least something rooted in character. It’s never seemed to bother Hughie before, so it feels a little out of nowhere. But he’s already destabilized a little from the Newman reveal and the fact that the past year where he thought he was making progress was founded on a lie, so maybe you can account for it in that way? I don’t love the trouble in paradise between him and Annie, though. Feels a little forced even though the actors do a good job with it.
What I am intrigued by is the reveal that Vought has been running a group home for child Supes, including those whose powers resulted in “parental fatality.” The fact that Stilwell’s son is there is quietly heartbreaking. Stan Edgar using the group home to turn Newman into his own manipulated attack dog plays like another layer sunk to by Vought and its officials, more craven acts to feather their nests.
Still, the toughest parental relationship here is the one between MM and his daughter, and again, I don’t love it. The thesis here is that MM needs to keep hunting Supes, needs to find out the real deal with Soldier Boy, because it’s a physical or psychological compulsion that, if he doesn’t satisfy, he loses control of himself.
Again, I don’t care for it. MM seemed fine being out of the game when we met him. We’d never heard of Soldier Boy until this season, so it’s another apparently uber-important detail that scans as tacked on. Once more, Laz Alonso is a hell of an actor so he’s able to sell it remarkably well, but it doesn’t necessarily feel in line with what we know about the character or the details of the world to date.
Otherwise, I’m intrigued by the idea of A-Train wanting a new identity now that he’s not the fastest man in the world anymore, and so trying to reframe his public image as being about his blackness, when it’s not something that’s ever really mattered to him until it was lucrative. The idea of a middle passage video game is just...yeesh. On the other side of things, Starlight “making waves” and standing up for herself despite being new to the leadership role is...what I was expecting from her in season 2, where she just reverted back to who she was before? So I’m glad to see it, even if it feels a little late.
That just leaves Butcher. I like his shtick here too. He’s trying to hold it together for Ryan, to not give into his worst impulses. He wants to find out what happened to Solider Boy and do it the right way. But he too starts to feel powerless, like so many other people in this episode, and so makes bad choices.
Except, it’s so hard for me to buy him taking compound V. We’ve seen him face impossible odds and supes before and come out undaunted. What is so special about Gunpowder that makes him give in here? You can come up with reasons. He obviously didn’t have the option to become a Supe before, and that was pre-Becca when he had finding her as his animation motivation. Even so, it feels out of step with the violently anti-Supe man we’ve known to date to see him give in. Granted, that too is scary, and one more time, Karl Urban has the acting chops to deliver it. Ut it feels like the show is taking more outlandish and less plausible swings in terms of character development to fuel the story du jour rather than rooting it in established details and character traits. Frankly, everything related to Payback feels that way right now.
Overall, I don’t mind the stories we’re getting this episode in a vacuum. There’s interesting concepts at play, particularly a host of characters making bad personal choices because they feel put upon or alienated from the lives they used to know and felt comfortable with. But I don't know how well it fits with these specific characters or the world the show already established.
Damn Anthony Starr! Amazing performance as Homelander. Loved the ''Scarlet Witch'' like supe. Looking foward to see Soldier Boy
Whenever you're feeling down and thinking you're a worthless piece of sheet, just take a deep breath and let a glimpse of a smile decorate your lovely and simply human face, because deep down you know things could be worse, you could have Ashley's job (the regular Ashley, not the "also Ashley", I don't really know what that one does).
Stellar follow-up episode. Anthony Starr is CRUSHING this season. And I'm fully in love with Kimiko.
Idk I feel like it would be a very Butcher thing to say cuntess instead of countess
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not a big fan of Butcher.
Solid episode all around. The Boys staying true to its criticism on woke capitalism (carnivals overselling LGBT empowerment) while portraying how the supes despite being antagonists are still human. Loved that scene with Kimiko and Crimson Countess: showing Kimiko's childhood innocence and Crimson Countess' human side. And this episode returns to remind us that Butcher is not a hero, but a cruel, supe-hating murderer.
This episode was so good actually, had a lot of funny moments too xD
Uh oh... Buckle up people, some blood and guts about to be spilled more than it already is... Homelander is going crazy publicly!!
"Or Maybe You're Not Such An A:asterisk_symbol::asterisk_symbol:Hole." — Grace Mallory
Not sure where I stand on the part that Butcher can now become a Supe for a day. It obviously makes him what he hates the most abd i think it's a little to obvious to play that card. On the other hand, that last scene - I guess things just started.
Another brilliant performance by Starr who's leaving the rest of the cast behind.
homelander : Fuck it .
well they kept pushing him and he needs attention , what did they expect ... I'm surprised he didn't go full attack mode on them all .
7.5/10 - This is so fucked up that it's actually good :o :D
I gotta admit that I love this show as it's full of unexpected and extreme events. I'm a bit concerned about the brutality or rather about starting too enjoy that part but tbh it's just a TV show and basically art (plus it's necessary - otherwise it wouldn't be anywhere near as messed up).
I love that Starlight is making waves - she's so badass! (And also so cute and innocent at the same time.)
Butcher temporarily gets powers like Homelander. Let's see if he'll also be able to fly.
Hughie casually adopts a child... xD
And Homelander's big "no" at the end was quite something... "I'm the real hero"... Let's see how that'll play out but some people might definitely love it :o :D
PS: That song "Miles Gaston Villanueva You've Got a License to Drive (Me Crazy)" was actually quite nice :D
Still so slow only the garage scene was dope...
I wanna go to VoughtLand
The boys are back in town babe.
chimps dont cry is the best song ever
"now that you're 16... driving me crazy!" what the fuck:sob:
"No, no, no. No God. The only man in the sky is me."
I thought this episode was slightly better than the premiere. Rather than relying on shock value scenes (although the scene with Butcher and Gunpowder close to the ending could fall into that category: but to a much lesser extent), it focused more on story-building and moving things along, which I appreciate; the premiere should've been more like that as it was the premiere, but whatever.
The pacing and writing allow characters to breathe and marinate while making things enticing enough instead of going head-first into the action. But I still think, in that vein of what's, more or less, "slow" pacing, what's happening could be more captivating. That's a minor inconvenience, though: I'm not 100% bored; however, let's get the facts straight, a huge chunk of that is thanks to Butcher (and Karl Urban's performance) and Homelander (and Antony Starr's performance). Especially in this episode.
The scene of Butcher watching the video Ryan sent to him, and Butcher's subsequent call to Hughie, was compelling: both the emotional/acting aspect of the first part, and the chilling and decisive aspect of the last part, how Butcher was "brought back to life" by Hughie, and Hughie, coming back to his senses/the fold.
And the ending of this episode with Homelander was quite impactful: and a little surprising, given the public/live context. In the second episode of the season, no less. The world seems to be working overtime at getting under his skin and tearing him down to nothing. He said in the premiere that he doesn't know how much more he can take, and quite frankly, I don't think we know. The Stormfront thing seemed like the last straw, and the episode's ending is right there, yet it still seems like even that wasn't enough. It's almost like a running gag at this point. More and more moments where he's "had enough," yet still "holding it together."
This episode also presented some new plot points to expand and develop, like the one with M.M. and his connection to Soldier Boy: and Victoria's (surprising) connection to Stan; I wasn't expecting their association in that way. And the plot point with M.M. makes things personal and gives him a basis for a vendetta, so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out once Soldier Boy is on the screen.
There was also the tidbit said by Gunpowder to Butcher about Grace. I feel like she either helped with an off-grid aspect or helped with a containment aspect. Depending on what that means regarding her involvement and "stance," it could create significant conflict, especially with Butcher. I don't think it means she'll become an antagonist (although maybe whatever she did would suggest that, and she feels/thinks differently about it now), but I could be wrong. So, that's another point of interest.
Two other aspects of this episode stood out to me. One: the trailer for the most certain, Oscar-winning, Not Without My Dolphin. It took me by surprise. But it was a fantastic (and hilarious) surprise. And two: the acting by Nia Roam, who played Chelsea. She gave an impactful performance, even with the short screen time for her character, and she resembles Kristen Scott a little. That scene was also impactful.
But I'm not on board with what Hughie is feeling/going through. Because of finding out the truth. I'm not on board with the writers' attempt at conveying that to us. Dialogue by Hughie regarding knowing her daughter, and being surprised by her on his birthday, both of them having this splendid friendship, falls flat because knowing it's been a year of that doesn't change the fact that we haven't seen any of it. It's a bit ridiculous. Did the writers intend for us to care and empathize: because there's a big disconnect there.
This episode was a decent one, one I thought was a bit better than the premiere. Yes, there's a 'but' coming. These first two episodes were entertaining, but I'm not fully captured yet: an element of proper excitement has yet to engulf this season. I know that's premature to say, considering I'm only two episodes into this season; I'm sure in the next episode, or after the next episode, it'll be more likely that I'll be "captured." The next episode should be a good one. I feel it will be a turning point, especially considering the third episode is the last of the first-three-at-once released model.
The writing of Homelander really puts it on display, The immaculate conception is for Virgin Mary being conceived without original sin; he somehow is a real average protestant American
btw, those writers are having a great time with the right-wing extremism caricatures, there is no Antifa in their world, by chance?
Homelander is an insanely interesting character
"Why don't you show a little follow-through, Chelsea?"
Hahahaha! Oh, dear gawd, this show is so twisted. So very, very twisted.
Cool ending. Getting the OCD guy back in the show seemed clunky. Giving Butcher powers even temporarily feels pretty shark-jumpy. All that said still having fun watching it.
As soon as starlights ex bf answered the phone I realized he is probably soldier boy lol
too much male anger in this show
"Now that you're 16"
:joy:
I absolutely love this show, and it's weird that a comic book parody show has a genuinely award-worthy performance from Anthony Starr. Just incredible. A Starr turn.
S3 is going in guns blazing. loving it
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Having past events pressure down on Homelander, to his increasingly strained psyche, makes for the strongest start of a season yet. Starr's terrifyingly cracked performance over the course of these two episodes is something else.