This is one of the most ruined episodes of the series. The Orville's legacy is to be the Star Trek show we never knew we wanted that for some inexplicable reason let Seth sneak in a joke every 5 pages. In this episode it felt like every two pages. In what is ostensibly one of the most dramatic and interesting episodes since Bortus has to adapt his girl-child into a boy-child and in future episodes when (big spoiler)Isaac dates Claire in a manner that's completely serious and void of sarcasm. This dramatic episode is constantly undercut but the sarcasm and attempts at humor.
There are times when the humor of this show is a nice change of pace from the "dull" Sci-Fi that inspired it. A little wet humor isn't the worst thing even if it isn't my cup of tea but here it's just way too much at the exact wrong times. It really undercuts everything that's happening here. This is the kind of episode you really wish had come in Season 2 when they kinda burned out of that humor and pulled it back a lot.
Humor aside this episode is intriguing. The Krill actors are solid and composed. We learn a lot about their culture even if every attempt to learn goes wrong.
Excellent episode. It had some laugh out loud funny moments. But, the deeper more serious look at war and what it means to both parties was what made the episode. The POV of Mercer that he was a hero saving the young Krill was brilliantly offset by the POV of Krill teacher: That Mercer did not save children, he has created new hardened fanatic enemies. In war, there are no winners.
This show just keeps getting better. A terrific blend of humor and serious stuff once again.
Now that was a good episode, thought provoking moral relativism, neatly balanced with goofy humour.
[6.4/10] This is another episode with a great idea and so-so execution. Starfleet officers having to infiltrate enemy ships/outposts is a good old chestnut, and there’s a lot of potential in the idea of humans having to pretend to integrate into Klingon/Romulan/Krill culture so as not to be discovered. The catch is that The Orville does this through a watered-down Abott & Costello routine with Mercer and Lloyd, where the jokes are half as inspired and the omnipresent references to 20th century pop culture and implausibility of the pair to pass as genuine Krill saps all the tension and suspense from their undercover efforts.
But it’s an interesting idea. I have to admit, I found it interesting that a show created by Seth MacFarlane, who has been very critical of the George W. Bush administration both in interviews and his T.V. series, painted its major villains as religious zealots with a nuke akin to an “Axis of Evil” country with a WMD. It is definitely in keeping with MacFarlane’s professed views to see technologically advanced cultures who are still so devoted to religion as misguided and even dangerous. But regardless of the real world analogues, it’s an interesting idea for an antagonist community in the series.
What’s more, I like the moral dilemma at play here. Mercer and Lloyd are theoretically just there to get intel on the Krill’s holy book, so that the Union can use that to make peace with them, or at least better understand their enemy. Then they find out that the Krill are planning to use a space nuke on an innocent farming colony, prompting them to try to destroy the Krill ship they’ve infiltrated. Then they find out that there are Krill children, some of whom question the indoctrination they’ve received and seemed poised to accept humanity as an equally ensouled species worthy of appreciation.
There’s some clichés there, but also some nuance. The catch is that the episode peppers so many of these developments with lame gags that it becomes hard to take the implications seriously. The running jokes about the Krill worshipping a deity who has the same name as a 20th century rental car company are such a stretch and elicit no laughs, and asides from Mercer about what he has written on his “tramp stamp” are just painfully unfunny. I had hope, since this is the first episode where Seth MacFarlane doesn’t have a writing credit, that we might be spared some of this stuff. But no, tis still here, dragging down what could otherwise be a decent, even great episode.
We do get some classic Trek action in the form of Mercer and Lloyd having to figure out a way tod disable the Krill crewmen while sparing the Krill children (and the Krill teacher they’ve befriended). There’s enough Treknobabble and wrinkles there -- from Mercer remembering that the Krill grow up in darkness and using that against them to Lloyd’s holographic disguise no longer fooling the bad guys -- to make the story work.
I particularly like the bittersweet ending, where Mercer saved the day, but the teacher suggests that the children he worked so hard to say will now be radicalized against the Union. That feels like an acknowledgement of the complexity of the political allegories at play here which feels true both to the shows The Orville is aping, and to the infinitely complex tangles of the real world.
That said, I continue to wish that The ORville would just give up the pretense and go for being a straight Star Trek impression than trying to inject so much of this tepid comedy into the series. I know it’s MacFarlane’s trademark, and I suspect I’m just going to have to accept it as a cost of doing business when it comes to watching this show. But I nevertheless wish that the series would spend more time on its Trek-imitation and less on its Family Guy imitation.
Believe superior, hatred, prejudice. The series continues to improve
TIL sinuses are part of the digestive system. (Spoiler: They're not.)
"Somebody put that out!"
"What happened to automatic fire suppression?"
"That's the panel that caught fire."
Well at least the Orville has automatic fire suppression, even if it doesn't have teleporters.
Nitpick: Gordon would have been visible around that corner from where the guard was standing.
Another nitpick: Gordon's holographic disguise disappeared the tuning implement from his hand when he got it reactivated, for some reason. (Not exactly a complicated transition effect, but clearly Scott Grimes forgot to pick up the tuner prop for the second shot.)
They did well pulling off what is essentially a Mulan infiltration, but I’ve never been a fan of those kinds of stories as they just invite a lot of cringe. However, MAN the dilemma they faced was so believable. But I’m sorry, difficult choice or not, you really should’ve killed this kids Ed.
Why was his tricorder thing already on the table the second time they went to the book…? Didn't look like he had left it there the first time and anyway he was reading through the data from it right before…
Loved the callback to the leg thing.
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Is it just me or are the episodes not written by Seth the better ones ? Don´t get me wrong, I like what he did in creating this show but his writing doesn´t seem to work as well here in this setting. This episode was really great. It had a serious undertone, a moral that is not forced on the viewer and the humor was good, too. More of this, please.