Strongest episode of the series so far, even without space battles, this really said alot in one little episode and was beautifuly acted. The Orville has really grown into its own show now.
OK, I do it again. I make the comparison.
Why is this more Trek than today's "real" Trek ? Because, although they are reheating old TNG stories, they are telling them about all the crew. Not just centered around one individiuum. This is an ensemble show. Everyone get's his share. Some more than others but that is true to most shows anyway. The writers are building up characters so that, when something is happening to them, you actually feel with them. There is emotional investment that is created over time.
And because they deal with social issues even if they are very much in your face. But it works for me. I can't remember a show displaying smoking so blatantly.
Of course it's always nice to see fellow ST actors. And, coming back to the story, I kinda suspected Laura would turn out to be a distant relative of Gordon. Would have probably a bit too much.
Anyone else ever notice that Bortus seems to ALWAYS have some level of drama going on? Think about it; the gender of his kid, public urination, porn addiction, his spouse killing someone, facial hair, nicotine addiction... I know I must have missed some but you get the gist of it...
Oh, it's Geordi falling in love with a holodeck character again! The Orville truly is the Star Trek show that Trekkies want.
BTW: Tim Russ looks weird without pointy ears!
That shit was beautiful man.
This is easily my favorite episode of the series so far.
"The universe is not governed by individual perception. It matters what's true."
So this episode started with me smiling like a retard upon seeing Tuvok! It makes me wonder if any of the "A-Lister" cast will ever appear. Hell anyone would be great to see but having a Shatner, Stewart or Spiner... * mind blown *
The smile didn't really disappear even though it was quite a sad episode in ways. I didn't like Gordon very much in the first few episodes of the first season but now he's a favorite.
PS Seems like I placed a comment on the wrong episode last week. Oops!
Probably the most beautiful episode of anything you could ever watch. What a masterpiece of show The Orville has become.
As a diehard old school trekkie, I have fully fallen for this show. This episode is the best so far, and wonderfully written. Just had to throw my +1 in there for everyone saying this show is better Trek than all the newer Treks.
Gordian's weird...Kelly dropping some #RealTalk at the end there. hot damn..great episode nonetheless
This is a classic and by far my favourite episode so far. Gordon is great.
I don’t really get why it’s inappropriate for this relationship to happen… when Claire is having a relationship with a robot that lacks freewill. Wouldn’t this be healthy when you’re on a military ship? Having your children and partner on a ship that could be blown up seems a little dangerous…
[6.3/10] Why does Seth MacFarlane want to write romcoms so badly? I don’t understand it. SO many episodes of this show have that meetcute, cheesy romance energy, and for the life of me I don’t why.
In another one of this show’s theme, this is a reskin of an old TNG episode -- in this case, the one where Geordi falls in love with a holographic version of a famed scientist (among other strange holographic romances that Star Trek has done over the years). “Lasting Impressions” includes a few wrinkles to that idea, mostly that Malloy falls in love with a holographic version of a woman from 2015, with a program automatically generated based on her smartphone data.
Most of that is an excuse to throw Malloy into a cutesy relationship with this holographic woman named Laura. They hit the usual beats, a chance conversation at a party, corny lines about being able to help the other person conquer their fears, etc. etc. etc. It works fine, with guest star Leighton Meester proving surprisingly convincing at the “attractive woman is fascinated by jokey schlub” genre of T.V. romance that seems to be one of MacFarlane’s favorites.
But most of it’s just dull or generic. You get the impression that MacFarlane would sincerely like to write for some sort of CW teen drama, because that’s what most of this episode is.
Except for the times that it’s a goofy 1990s sitcom. You see, the B-story features Bortus and Klyden getting addicted to cigarettes after seeing one in the same time capsule that Gordon got the phone from. It’s a big heap of wackiness as they start smoking like chimneys, hide cigs from one another when trying to recover, and then get cartoonishly testy as they go through withdrawal while waiting for a cure from Dr. Finn. The material isn’t funny, and it’s barely related to the main story of the episode.
That main story could have been about addiction, and at first I thought that’s where this one was going. The rest of the crew is clearly a little weirded out by the fact that Gordon has become so attached to a hologram and even outright challenges him on it. I figured this was going to be an “I married my body pillow” type of intervention, with a lesson on how it’s important not to live in a fantasy world or project your emotions onto things incapable of supporting them.
But then two things happen: 1. Gordon makes some...weirdly compelling points? Maybe it’s just the existence of The Doctor from Star Trek: Voyager, but there’s a reasonable argument that, in time, Laura could become a sentient being. It partly depends on the sophistication of the simulator’s, well, simulations, but there is, at a minimum, an open question as to whether a highly advanced computer could take those sorts of inputs from a flesh and blood human being and use it to generate a digital, but no less real person.
Mercer points out that she’d need to be self-aware, which would presumably be a trip. And there’s still something ethically questionable at worst and a little sad at best about resurrecting a stranger from centuries ago because you have a crush. These are all interesting moral and metaphysical questions that the episode raises...for about five minutes, until it pivots to a completely different topic.
It turns out that, based on the computer’s simulation, Laura gets back with her ex even after she and Gordon consummate their relationship. Gordon tries to get around this by deleting her ex from the program, but then Laura no longer wants to pursue her dream of becoming a successful musician, because apparently Greg was the one who coaxed her into pursuing it and without his presence in her life, she’s too scared.
So let’s set aside the pretty obvious plot hole in all of this, which is that a computer sophisticated enough to create a quasi-sentient human being out of a bunch of iPhone pictures and messages is surely sophisticated enough to operationalize the command “Change program so that Laura doesn’t get back together with Greg,” or “Make it so that Greg moves to Antarctica” or “Have Greg meet some nice other girl to settle down with.” There’s a false binary here which helps the show elide the bigger issues.
Even apart from that and taking this problem as somehow intractable, it all just pivots to a “If you want to treat this person as real, you have to accept the things in their life that made them who they are, even if that ultimately takes them away from you” message. That is, appropriately enough for MacFarlane, more of a romcom conclusion than a sci-fi show conclusion. There’s some sci-fi sauce drizzled on in the form of “She wanted to be remembered and made someone four hundred years later fall in love -- that’s special” type of deal, but it’s pretty thin.
Most of this is watchable, albeit eye roll-worthy in places. The problem is that the main story is a standard romcom story dressed up with sci-fi trappings, the b-story is dose of unfunny wackiness, and the larger point of the main story is wishy-washy and variable, with only a loose grasp of the truly interesting part of this thought experiment.
Overall, a different writer could have wrung something more insightful or poignant based on this premise, but once again, MacFarlane turns it into a bog standard romcom tale with the science fiction elements amorphous or undercooked.
Another excellent episode. I’m not sure there is so much negativity with this show. It’s entertaining.
I don’t really get why it’s inappropriate for this relationship to happen… when Claire is having a relationship with a robot that lacks freewill. Wouldn’t this be healthy when you’re on a military ship? Having your children and partner on a ship that could be blown up seems a little dangerous…
I don’t really get why it’s inappropriate for this relationship to happen… when Claire is having a relationship with a robot that lacks freewill. Wouldn’t this be healthy when you’re on a military ship? Having your children and partner on a ship that could be blown up seems a little dangerous…
smoking moclans were hilarious :joy:
First off: someone please create a "Blue Blob-face Creature Dictionary" like they did with the Klingon one back in the day, PLEASE!
Furthermore:
Even though the end of the last episode and the beginning of this one is a bit jarring I once again enjoyed this episode very much.
I doubt a race that's hellbent on destroying your culture for years/decades would be very happy about being treated like they were (pee-cups and cavity searches and all) but I guess the Krill have plenty to lose against the Kaylon too?
I missed Gordon's sweet-sweet singing voice very much... I'd watch a musical-episode of this show just cause of it even though I hate musicals. As a matter of fact: just make Gordon get some kind of musical-space virus making him the only one who just has to sing in one of the future episodes.
WOW this was a good episode. I loved everything about it. Truly one of the best episodes this season next to Alara's exit.
No way this was written by Seth MacFarlane! I'm kidding but this was one of the best Sci-Fi ideas I have ever watched! Absolutely atypical for MacFarlane.
I could have done without the kitsch but basically everything else in this episode was brilliant. I even found the nicotine addiction sideplot hilarious! Such funny acting!
But I digress. Starting from the idea to simulate an unknown past I loved the concept here. Who wouldn't be interested to really see what the world - even merely around a single live - was like 400 years ago? That is a genious starting point. But it goes further: Simulating the world is integrated so seamlessly into the world of The Orville. They didn't need to set anything up but only used existing elements that the viewer is familiar with. AND I find it absolutely believable that a) a software/AI in the future would be able to simulate this and b) a phone would have enough information to base this on.
Which is the very point that adds the cherry on top of this episode: namely a subtly critical nod to us becoming transparent citizens with all the data we provide oh so willingly.
So much for the grandiose main theme of this episode. That alone would be enough for a great episode. But MacFarlane doesn't stop there.
The themes of falling in love with a simulated person or merely by chatting with someone or rather something, who or what can we love, where does a person start, unhealthy addiction and whatever I might have forgotten are first of all very interesting and very Sci-Fi but secondly and almost more important when critiquing an episode of The Orville: They are treated in such a good way and with so many great and philosophical dialogues and memorable quotes that it poses the question what happened to Seth MacFarlane that he stepped up to this new level of writing?
Wow I was impressed. Real deep.....
Besides the joy at seeing Tim Russ (whose presence in the script ended too early), this felt very "seen it" and "paint by numbers". It's possibly one of the most predictable episodes of The Orville—in both the main and "B" plots.
Was it cute? Yes. Sure. But not enough to make up for seeing every last turn coming.
ddictions are bad, whatever they are if you can not control them, It's strange to see Leighton Meester good after seeing her in Gossip girl :-)
This is merely an okay episode for The Orville. So little 6-7 our of 10 basically. There's just not a lot interesting going on.
I have to assume everyone else reviewing these episodes are 12 because I very MUCH remember smoking on TV when I was a kid in the late 80s-90s
I was rather surprised to discover the lack of an easy and bog-standard SF trope classic: the massive plot-twist ending reveal of how this was all either a novel the girl was working on or an inflated ego. Playing it straight was an unusual choice that I didn't expect and they pulled it off thanks to the show's well-developed characters. Not what I expected and they pulled off what SF often tries to do but often fails at: looking at today's world with a future perspective without sarcasm, rancor or sounding preachy.
It's kinda different as a SF story but for all the right reasons.
Gordon is right on, it's not unhealthy...bring on the AI sex robots! Especially if they can make them look like Leighton Meester!! (as long as they don't talk, nag or cry too much...or wig out and turn me into a billion paperclips)
Shout by Ahmed HamdyVIP 4BlockedParent2019-03-22T18:34:48Z— updated 2019-05-31T15:29:07Z
I really had to stop and write a comment about my favourite 3 lettered word, WTF , does it really mean Wireless Telecommunications Facility? :P That cracked the hell out of me laughing XDD
On the other hand, I really feel bad about Gordan, he is so lonely.