She checks every box, I've never met a woman who checked every box.
You said Kelly checked every box.
Yeah, well, I got more boxes now. She checks those, too.
hahaha that was hilarious XD
Wow! you could see that plot twist from Mars, maybe even Jupiter!
What's this? An enjoyable episode without Alara?!
Honestly surprised that this show is pulling off the Star Trek vibe so well. Based on the first season, I wouldn't have thought it possible, but the writing really changed course this season. Good. Fewer cheap jokes, more heart.
The Krill are a really intriguing blend of Klingons (militaristic; they have painstiks), Romulans (superior/arrogant; green everywhere, though I guess that could be a Borg influence if you squint), Cardassians (reptilian appearance), and Jem'Hadar (militarism and appearance, again; stilted, formal, direct language when talking to enemies).
Actually, now that I wrote that out, I think Jem'Hadar is the primary influence for the Krill. They have that religion-based dominance thing going for them (even if the Jem'Hadar only had it because they were engineered to by the Founders). Still neat.
Great song at the end
This his one of my favourite episodes, the companionship and understandment between intergalactic especies… this must be one of the major "inner commands" for us all in a near future. Future where I'll be gone, a little of dust in the wind out there.
Favourite quote is a dialogue between captain Ed. Mercer and the Krill female Keleya "Janel":
"She did exist,… for me anyway. And I think that there is a lot more of her in you than you're willing to admit. And if she is in there somewhere, tell her… …tell her I miss her."
Last words: I really, really would like that "Lt, Alara Kitan" returns to the program.
This goes up there with one of the best episodes of The Orville. Not necessarily because it was so unique or because it did anything you've never seen before but like New Who with it's terrible CGI but amazing writing it did it well. This is an episode that really shows the potential of the space opera by really giving you fantastically done drama.
It really shows how much of an improvement this season will be over season 1. Hit after hit after hit. The rest of the season basically keeps going. This episode almost makes up for the last Krill focused episode in season 1.
[7.7/10] Three quality episodes of The Orville in a row? Should I be naive enough to bet that this show has truly turned the corner? If this episode’s moral -- about having hope even when you’ve got good reason to be mistrustful -- is correct, then maybe I should.
Let’s start with the episode’s biggest achievement -- this is not only the most I’ve ever liked Captain Mercer in a romantic pairing, but it’s the most I’ve liked him period. On the romance side, there’s something way more sympathetic about his desire to believe that what he and his betrayer had was real, at least at some level, then his continued efforts to cajole Grayson into a relationship. MacFarlane and the actress who plays Teleya have better chemistry than the other pairings the show’s tried or hinted at (though oddly, mostly in her Krill form). There’s something about their combativeness but honesty with one another that’s way more engaging than any ex-related drama.
But it’s also the best take on Mercer The Orville has offered us so far. Here, he’s not only a solid Union officer, making difficult but reasonable decisions about whether to give interrogators command codes, when to hide away rather than trek on, and when to go it alone in order to setup the distress beacon necessary to effect a rescue, but he represents the core values of the Federation (sorry, the Union). He is selfless and self-sacrificing; he is resourceful and compassionate when he has reason not to be, and he lives his belief in better relations and understanding between enemies. It’s the most admirable (no pun intended) he’s ever seemed, embodying a compassionate professional rather than a bro-y faux-everyman.
The setup is a good one too. I’ll admit, I had my suspicions about Mercer’s girlfriend, even if I didn’t guess the twist. The reveal that his paramour is, in fact, pulling a “Trouble with Tribbles”/Seska here is a cool one, that recontextualizes the warm relations we witness in the first part of the episode, and has added depth from picking up a character from Mercer’s last encounter with the Krill. (Hell, even the fact that her name is “Lt. Tyler” feels like a nod in that direction.) Stranding two people who have reason to despise one another but who have to work together is a tried and true blueprint for a story, and this one utilizes it well.
The B-story sees Malloy wanting to take the command exam and running into trouble with everything from the psych eval to The Orville’s equivalent of the Kobayashi Maru test inside the simulator. It’s a little disconsonant with the rest of the episode, but there’s some solid laughs here and there, and Grayson delving into why Gordon wants to be a captain and the demands of the job is a nice beat for the two of them. What’s more, it eventually ties in nicely with the A-story, which ends up being an object lesson on what being a leader entails, outside of protocols and tests.
Here, it means finding common ground with your adversary, asking for trust from someone who’s turned on you and returning it when you have every reason not to, and reaching someone where they are -- to prove that you have a soul and are as capable and worthy of being respected and trusted as anyone. The way the script mirrors the struggles in understanding between the Union and the Krill versus the same struggles between Mercer and Teleya is quite nice. There’s even some good symbols of that trust and understanding, with Mercer repeating his jacket-offering bit to Teleya from when she was cold in his quarters as a human to when she’s under threat from sunlight in her genuine Krill skin.
There’s something rousing when they do show trust and get rescued, despite the attacks from some seamonkey-looking orcs. And there’s something sad when the Billy Joel needle drop hits and Mercer is clearly still stinging from the loss of something fake that nevertheless had the kernel of something real in it. He hopes that kernel will be enough to bridge the gap between two peoples who don’t understand one another, as it did for Anna and the King in The King and I. And I hope it’s a sign of this series’s growing maturity and grace in its second season.
They take one of the most stupid ideas from ST: Discovery and made it to something great and meaningful. This kind of episode is the reason, why Orville is better Star Trek, and after all a better show than Discovery.
Love to see the Krill back, they have been absent for too long. And a great continuation of the stroyline from S1. I hope we don't have to wait until S3 too see Teleya again. The moments between her and Mercer and the things they were talking about - that's the kind of storylines they have to do beside the comedic parts.
And the second season finally starts to pick up the pace! For me, this was the best episode of the season, so far (yes, we still got a few more more to go, I know). Being trapped with the enemy, hiding from a menacing race that overpowers them both was a nice plot device. What followed was a solid episode about hope & forgiveness, love & heartache. They seem to be going for the drama, this season, and they're finally nailing it.
Also, I love that they kept the new head of security for an extra episode, I really like that typical Family Guy kind of character (he's sort of a familiar and comfy cliché). Too bad they'll be ditching him, soon. Probably replacing him with a human. Human show runners are so racist. Meh.
This is a fantastic episode of The Orville; definitely in the top 5 episodes of the show, from the very start up to this point. I really wasn't a fan of Robert Duncan McNeill in Voyager - Tom Paris was just cocky and arrogant in a really annoying way in Voyager (although perhaps he would slot better into the Orville's crew, with that in mind - he would likely get on well with Malloy and LaMarr). However, having not seen any of his directorship outside of Star Trek (the episodes of which I can't remember, or in the case of Enterprise, haven't watched) and The Orville, both the episodes of The Orville that he's directed have been extremely good, so full respect to him there.
It was refreshing to see Ed Mercer escape (for this episode at least) the whole jilted-ex-with-an-axe-to-grind vibe and actually show some real character depth/maturity and genuinely excellent leadership skills whilst under the sort of pressure that would have caused lesser men (even from his own crew) to buckle and resort to indignant retaliation or violence, or both, without any effort to be objective or see the bigger picture in the situation with he and Telaya once they became stranded on the planet. If this were Star Trek then (out of the male crew from TNG onwards) I could imagine that the only ones that would have behaved the same way (emotionally, logically and compassionately) as Mercer, and still made this episode just as good, would be: TNG - Picard, DS9 - Sisko/Bashir, Voyager - possibly Chakotay/HoloDoc, SNW - Pike.
“We’re supposed to be out here exploring, instead we’re the pizza guy” Uh, yeah Phillip J Fry would like a word with you.
Man, this was a really good character study of Captain Ed. Despite him being a divorcee and yearning for companionship again after all the pitfalls he had with Kelly, he still holds on to hope. At first I wasn’t fully on board with him WANTING to fall in love with a member of their enemy species, but I can’t fault him for acting out of loneliness. This really solidifies Ed as my favorite character on this show.
The beginning was really unbearable to me and I was more than tempted to skip but the twist was completely different from the twist I expected (especially since this is basically the exact same thing they did in Discovery) and what can I say: I am a sucker for the trope of enemies being forced to work together.
The end was a bit too corny for my taste but overall I liked the episode and the much less funny tone the series is getting into ä.
Would have made more sense if the actress in her human "disguise" was weird somehow. They didn't show her much but she was always very normal. If humans don't know that much about Krill then certainly the reverse would be true. Would have been some opportunity for additional comedy as well.
I just love the firm belief in understanding across culture. I miss distinct 70s or 80s optimistic sci-fi flavor. However placed in current reality, you need to have more insight to merit such optimistism. Also, I can't shake an uncharitable thought that Captain Kirk would charm the enemy more effectively. :)
Never trust the coincidence, Billy Joel will be happy
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Orville just graduated from a comedy series to a space drama. Star Trek in it's finest right there.