Everyone keeps suggesting there is a paradox concerning the 5D future humans and their ability to save humanity in the past. It's really not a paradox at all. Everyone assumes humanity survived to ascend to the 5th dimension but how could humanity exist in the future if not for the actions of Cooper.. who was guided by future humans (begin endless loop).
Did anyone ever consider the other important character in the movie? Amelia Brand carried on with the rest of her mission (thanks to Cooper). I postulate that Brand used the human seeds as intended and set up a colony. A colony that would thrive and eventually evolve beyond human. Thus Earth is of little importance, and may have indeed died. These colonists, and the generations that followed, would have been told the story of a great man (Cooper) who saved them from extinction. With the ability to manipulate space-time, they would pay homage to their hero "God" by helping him in the past so he may fulfill the mission most important to him, to once again see his daughter. Plan B worked beautifully. But the 5d humans, having the power to bend space-time, decided there's no reason why Plan A had to fail.
This season had so much promise! But it fell completely flat. The writers tried to change too many things at once, which inevitably led to it's downfall.
Another great show from netflix and marvel! the critics have rated it low because it stuck with the comics.
I feel like these days people have forgotten the meaning of whitewashing. You can't whitewash a white character; that's ridiculous.
The show is extremely diverse and very well made. It has strong female and strong non white characters. I don't understand the fuss.
If you go to Rotten Tomatoes, you will see 19% by critics and 88% by audience; that definitely says something. Ignore the critics, and watch this great show.
i'm so emotional over a dragon
personally...I kinda dig it. That's what TV was missing for some time. whether we like it or not, some will die, and the more we get attached to a character the more interesting the killing will be.
personally I said.
Children are truly the worst
What a fucking way to end the episode. That death came out of no where. Sure tugged on some heart strings.
Funny, touching and great fun. I might even like it more than the Karate Kid movies.
It was quite the journey! The nostalgic fan service was simply stellar, really really how such things should be done. Don't know what someone who hasn't watched the originals may get out of this, but also, who cares? Cobra Kai! Cobra Kai!
It’s hard to take a show seriously when the dialogue is written soooo poorly. Each episode gets worse. Why did they need to ruin the Inhumans comic instead of simply ruining original material no one cared about? This series is like buying a priceless work of art and letting small children color over it with crayons and poop.
i was very pleasantly surprised with this. i tend to be wary about book adaptations, but this is one of the rare exceptions where i'll say that, in my opinion, the adaptation has an edge over the book. yes, there are changes from the book, as with all book-to-film or book-to-tv adaptations, but i believe that, in this case, almost every change benefited the story. the characters are what really stand out in this. as i recall from the book, some of the characters felt a bit one dimensional to me, or were at least looked at in a more or less black/white light, mainly due to understandable time constraints within the novel. a thirteen episode series really lets them shine. the characters are more developed and viewable in a more morally grey light, which really makes you feel for (most) of them. and i personally feel these characters are what make "13 reasons why" stand out from the typical teen drama. netflix continues to be one of the (if not THE) best platforms for entertainment out there.
So fucking painful to watch.
Almost done with it as I'm writing this, and I want to finish it, but shit, it's really hard.
And good. Very good.
The book was very good... but damn the show was incredible. Thank you Netflix.
This was, for me, the best show of the year so far. It is for Netflix this year what Stranger Things was for last year. A real surprise, far better than it looks. I watched the special, and I don't usually do that. I picked up the book and started reading it, and young adult fiction isn't a genre I usually look at. Hollywood hasn't cast it in a very nice light with things like Twilight; even less cringey films like Divergent and The Maze Runner give the YA genre a two-dimensional feel, a feel of shallowness that is easy to take in but doesn't really get inside your head much. Just a one-and-done kind of thing. And this isn't that. It's so much better. I went in thinking this was a show for middle and high school kids, and it really isn't. Especially after the 9th and 12th episodes. Not to mention the finale. Spoilers follow.
After watching — I finished it just 24 hours ago — I went back and forth on whether the suicide was justified or not. Actually for a while I thought they might pull a twist ending and reveal that she didn't actually go through with it, but made it look like she did to raise awareness. There was a program that ran in high schools in Northern California (where this takes place) where they had a guy dressed up like the Grim Reaper take the popular jocks out of school. They were put up in a resort while the rest of the school was told they died. And then they put on this play where they were killed by drunk driving. It sounds silly now, but it was serious then. And it happened at my school (Santa Rosa, Montgomery High, Class of 1998) and I was smart enough to see that it was fiction, but it still young enough for it to affect me. (Sure enough, never drank and drove. Actually don't drink anymore, so I can drive those who can't.) So I thought this series might be doing that, and that they could, and still be impactful. Spoiler: [spoiler]It's not, and the suicide is shown in the finale.[/spoiler]
As for justifications, that's harder. It's important to note here that nobody is perfect, including the adults. It's also important to note that nobody is purely good or evil. Even the one character everyone hates by the end ([spoiler]Bryce{/spoiler]), probably has some good in him. It's just outside the scope of this show to humanize him. We can guess. [spoiler]He was rich, and lived a life free of consequences. His parents were never around, and he was able to buy beer underage because he was a successful athlete and town hero. He literally stated that there was nothing wrong with raping girls. And he believed it because he had never been denied anything.[/spoiler] The big problem I have with the suicide is not that the events leading up to it did or didn't justify suicide. It's that she spent hours calmly laying out everything that was wrong, in a cool and methodical way, on those tapes, after making the decision, and yet she still did it. The planning of the tapes, the recording, setting up distribution, [spoiler]getting Tony to manage the backups and watching people,[/spoiler], I think she could have backed down. I think she was smart enough to by that point and could have gotten help. No tapes, no planning? Sure. Impulse decision. After all that, though? I don't really see it.
I'd also like to get into the school counselor, Mr Porter. School counselors are psychologists only in the same sense that security guards are police officers, i.e. they're not. You could say they're failed psychologists, and maybe some are, but they may not all be. He wasn't an exceptionally bad one. He might have even been above average. I think a big difference between school counselors and psychologists are that school counselors work for the school. They aren't truly advocates for the individuals they try to help. I think he needed to go the extra mile and coach her, and tell her that she needs to declare [spoiler]that she was raped, and that she said no, and that she tried to make him stop, even if she really didn't exactly. There was no deception on her part, or seduction, the guy had raped before, and in her presence no less, and she clearly did not want to have sex, and he knew it[/spoiler]. Yes, I think he should have coached her to embellish the truth a little for the greater good, for the sake of the next victim. Would it have been dishonest? I don't think so. No more spoilers.
But I'm getting off-track. Was it a good series? In no uncertain terms, yes it was. You should absolutely watch it, and then you absolutely should reach out to a niece or a nephew or the child of a family friend and let them know that you are there for them. It doesn't really help as much coming from parents, because parents are always judging. They kind of have to. Kids need an external resource they can count on. Someone they trust won't look down on them because they tried drugs or experimented with sex. Someone who won't add to their problems. Someone who generally makes them feel better when they're down. Even popular kids need it, but the nerds, the emo kids, the losers, those kids need it especially because they have such little support from their peers. And yes it's a bit rude to use those labels, but they exist, those kids exist, and we can't let them slip through the cracks. And one photo, one tweet, one rumor can make the most popular kid in school join those unfortunate groups. And then that kid can go on fooling their parents into thinking they're still on top of the social ladder, when inside they're dying, and we see that in the show with one of the characters.
Ok, that's going to be a hard one to review.
Not because it's bad or just ok, not at all. As the little "10" in the top-left shows, I've give this show the best possible score.
No, the difficulty is in finding the right words that will explain WHY this tv show deserve such a number.
Before getting into it, I must say that I've watched every episodes, including the special where the actors and crew explain how and why they did this show (you should watch it). And I have not read the book.
As I want this review to be read by as much people as possible, I will not give any spoiler. So feel free to continue reading !
First, the actors, and mainly the three main characters for me, meaning Dylan Minnette (Clay), Katherine Langford (Hannah) and Kate Walsh (Olivia, Hannah's mom). Their work is just astonishing.
Second, the pacing. The show find the right balance between content and emptiness. Seems weird writing this. But we're dealing with a suicide, with depression, and the void it creates is one of the hardest thing to translate and the producers found a way to make you feel it at your core.
Which explains my third point : this show can be overwhelming. 13 episodes that you want to watch, but you also dread watching. There is, in each of those episodes and even more in some of them, a psychological pressure that can almost be too much to bear.
Fourth, thriller. 13 reasons why. 13 reasons you want to know. 13 reasons that you discover slowly, methodically, but 13 reasons that are sometimes implied a bit before they're revealed. It creates a thrill, that you're on the verge of understanding or at least zeroing on what really when on.
Fifth, the candor of this show. I have never watched a a show that committed to being true, to ring true to how teenagers think and feel and live. Some people will think that things aren't really like that, that they can't be and it's just so that there is a story. I was a teenager not so long ago, and I found so many truths in this show that it even felt a bit awkward. That this character could have been me. Or this one.
When TV produces so many "teenage" shows that just transform teens into adults, or teens into dumb versions of humans, watching this felt surreal. Like someone finally understood what it meant. What the struggles were and how to show them in their purest form.
Sixth and last one, Suicide. No one wants to talk about it. Most TV shows that depicts one, uses it as a plot excuse. A way to spice things up.
This one does not. This is the first thing you learn when watching. You start with the suicide and then you try to explain what when on in Hannah's life, in her head, that made her do this. And the show is clear, you can't explain suicide. You can't rationalize it. But you can try to understand the actions and thoughts that lead to it. To try and prevent that for ever happening again.
And the show is exceptional at that. Yes it depicts all the elements that lead to a suicide, but by showing them, you also teach people how to recognize signs that could point you to a person in distress. And it also shows that our actions have consequences, may those actions seems trivial at first. And to those that are in distress it also shows that there always are people caring for you. You may not see it, they may not show it, but there are there and you need to have the strength to at least reach out to them. The will help you. And if this seems too much for you, there are free hotlines that you can call at any time to at least talk. Because talking is healing.
I could continue and expand this list much more, but I'll stop there.
Just go watch it. Take a month of Netflix, you won't regret it.
Whatever your opinion of the show, one thing is clear. We need to take care of each other. While we may not be responsible for the actions of others, we are responsible for what we do, what we say, how we react to the pain others are feeling. For the record, I thought the show was shattering, truthful, painful. There are people who are going through feelings of loneliness now. Hannah Baker could be any one of us, somebody we know. So...
Don't be alone. There is hope. Love yourself and love each other.
After listening from TAPE 01 SIDE A to TAPE 13 SIDE A in just two nights this is what I think about "13 REASONS WHY":
First of all I have to recognize I didn't know about the book until I started watching "13 REASONS WHY", I haven't read it yet and maybe never will, probably because TV Series' production, photography, postproduction, cast, acting, story, rhythm and overall quality it is excellent and easily deserves a rating between a 9.7 and 10, I would have given it a 10, but I reserve that specific number for those rare gems that can't be measured by any standard because they simply don't fit in any scale, the rare masterpieces. Yes, those exactly, the ones you can only wonder how come they became and not why or how they did it because it's beyond your comprehension and you somehow now will transcend its time to become a classic. So unless they enable the 10 MasterPiece rating, it will have to suffice a 9 for the time being. Maybe I'll change my mind later or not, I don't know yet.
I think the TV adaptation (or the original novel) isn't really critique to the values of the [post]milenial average American teenager, the High School System or even bullying itself. But it's rather a quite more profound harsh critique to "The Post Milenial Egotistic and Hypocritical Society" where we all live, at least, in the western world. A Society whose values are taught to most kids by example, carrying them unconsciously to their teenage years and, many, to their adulthood where they're passed to the next generation.
It uses a group of High School Students, "13 REASONS WHY" as an analogy. All to make us, the adults, look in the mirror, rethink about our Individual Accountability and Responsibility for our acts or lack of thereof, how we intentionally misuse the concept "Society" (the Group) as an easy excuse, or way out from Individual Accountability and Responsibility out of pure egotism –selfishness (a Group with "N REASONS WHY").
As I said is more to this story that what meets the eye, the author is critiquing Society as a Whole from a moral standpoint to whoever was willing or able to see beyond the analogy he chose to depict it:
That is why after TAPE 13 SIDE A, there isn't anything meaningful left to tell. It's meaningless what they did or didn't do to anyone. You can imagine whatever you prefer, because no matter you come up the conclusion is always the same. These "13 REASONS WHY" where hers, what they did or didn't is history that can't be changed, so Hannah isn't coming back.
To all those thinking there will be a second season (or mini season), if Netflix continues respecting the original artist work and is wise enough to pull at the top, it won't ever be another.
Remember what Hannah explained on the TAPES about "The Butterfly Effect", our actions, given the adequate circumstances, could put in motion a chain of events whose consequences we would not be able to foresee, and later on she talks about that those tapes could create its own butterfly effect. What you see as the series avances and clearly in Episode 13 - TAPE 13 SIDE A is how that butterfly effect is working exacerbating what Hannah, not the victim, but the person corresponsable for the pain of others, had done actions when she was alive that have consequences and after she was gone with her detailed plan for the 13 TAPES.
Near the end in TAPE 13 SIDE A, even though he had been subtlety suggesting it throughout most of the 13 TAPES, the writer by focusing Hannah actions and probable consequences tries to clearly shows how nobody is perfect, not even Hannah. Perfection is at what we should aim but it's almost impossible, we are simply imperfect human not Gods, the only think that we are asked is to really try as hard as we can. The author puts on the table once again the need to understand and assimilate that we are responsible for our actions and be courageous enough to accept that with responsibility comes accountability and not just to ourselves but to others too.
P.S.
I agree with the message of the author, but I'm afraid I have an even darker view of humanity. I have been wondering what could probably be the worst course of action that anyone can take, but specifically humanity as a whole, I have reached the conclusion that it would be "to simply start doing nothing about almost everything if it's not involves fun".
I believe that it can not be considered an out of this world thought, specially in the light on whose hands it's the atomic football nowadays and the fact that no one did anything to prevent it when it was still possible.
I would bet hedonism together with egotism have already made to the top spots in the current list of The Seven Capital Sins. It all probably started with the fall of Berlin Wall, in the last decade of the XX century and have continued to gain momentum during the first the seventeen years of XXI century, a trend which doesn't seems its going to reverse or stop anytime soon.
But if the time comes, to which I'm look forward, to bury this "malade" which affects everyone: the old, the middle age, the young, etc…
I think its epitaph should read like this: "Here lies: I don't give a fuck about you or anything for that matter, and unless it involves alcohol, drugs, chicks, guys and/or loud music, I ain't going so don't bother me with any of your shit. We kindly ask you to respect his wishes and not bother him with any shit whatsoever unless his strict requirements are meet."
I really enjoyed this. It was surprisingly good, yet painful to watch. I felt so bad for Clay, Hannah, her parents and other for other characters too. Everyone screwed up, including Hannah. No-one was innocent, but only one was actually "bad guy". 13 reasons why left me anxious and sad. I didn't like the last episode and ending too much because it felt like they had more story to tell and too little time. it felt rushed.
I would recommend this to anyone who is not too triggered about self harm or suicide. Teen or parent, if you have the guts to watch it, do it. You might learn something.
Honest, moving, heart-wrenching, and at times, incredibly difficult to watch-- 13 Reasons Why impacted me more than any other recently released show has. Maybe more than any other show ever has or ever will. It's not an easy watch, but I believe that everyone should give it a chance. Because it is the type of story that needs to be told.
If you are contemplating suicide, are depressed, or feeling alone, please reach out to someone.
This show is too good. Clay and Hannah are my Jack and Rose of TV Series. They are the Romeo and Juliet. You will fall in live with them.
And btw this show is much more darker than you would think.
This series has changed the way I perceive things. You will see life in a different manner. TBH, I have been depressed for two days after watching this series. It has made me realize how fucking lonely my life is. Everytime, I meet my "friends", I just see how they behave with me and that has made me more depressed. So, those who dont have many friends must not watch this because you "WILL CRY". Atleast, I did.
Best Quote(Don't know why this quotes doesnt show up on the websites tbh):
Life is unpredictable..and control is just an illusion
10/10, would get depressed again.
hi yeah i just cried while watching every single episode because this shit actually happens to people every day, in various different ways and many people don't notice the signs. i encourage you all to give this show a shot. but, it contains many triggers so if you know you can't handle it, pick the book up instead or skip the scenes. do whatever makes you feel the most comfortable. the show has a very strong message, and tackles taboo issues. v v great.
And here I thought the last episode was terrific. This was a near-flawless ribbon on the top of so many different arcs. And it's only the season's midway point.
Cotyar goes down a hero by destroying an infected Agatha King (taking "that asshole" Nguyen with him), Errinwright gets double-teamed by Sorrento and Anna and finally locked away, Mao is captured by Jim and forcibly knelt before Avasarala, Prax finally finds his daughter Mei, safe and sound, and Bobbie confronts a hybrid and finally gets over her PTSD of being defeated by one on Ganymede. Even Jim and Naomi made up and got back together after a risky tip of their hand to Fred Johnson paid off. And then a fucking jellyfish swam out of Venus' atmosphere... It's almost too much to process right away.
So much got packed into this hour yet it all flowed perfectly from one plot line to the other, interweaving where it made sense, and pushing the whole narrative forward in a believable way. This is how you make hard scifi.
The SyFy Channel is positively stupid for giving up on this exceptional piece of television. They really should be forced to change their network's name on account of it deliberately creating confusion for viewers.
I really hope someone picks up this show! #SaveTheExpanse
The way that the William and Delos story was tied to the Bernard and Elsie story was terrific, as were the revelations that came out on the Bernard front. And the way that the Man in Black and Lawrence story was tied to the Raj woman's story was a real surprise, as well. "Hi, Dad" indeed. Just an amazing episode.
That episode makes absolute no sense.
NOTHING ABOUT ZACH AND HANNAHS RELATIONSHIP MAKE ANY SENSE. i mean i like them together, but its so dumb
Concentrating on Miyagi as this film does seems a good choice since he was the best thing about the first one and again he is here too. The change of setting is also welcome. But, unfortunately, this is a typical 80s sequel - way too repetitive of plot elements and ideas from the first film. The scenes between Daniel and Miyagi are really the only parts of the film that hold interest.
