I've kept watching in anticipation for comic plot-lines, but this latest death ruins all hopes I have that this show will live up to what it once was. Fuck Scott Gimple. Fuck AMC. I'm out.
Finally someone of importance dies on this show! The only one from this "all out war" and it was a walker bite. I'm kinda glad Carl is gone but really, an off screen bite. He is an original character you could of done better. I really hope next half of the season doesn't have a crazy Rick storyline.
Thank God the saviors finally started fighting back. Hopefully now it will be a little more interesting. They only killed some random Neil (hey it my name, kind of) but Maggie isn't messing around. She shows she at least has some balls.
And please stop with the close up on people faces and then dissolves into someone else's face.
Hopefully the next half will not go so out of order and will be entertaining based on the Saviors ability to actually fight back. This half season really suffered because it was just Rick's group making mistake after mistake while the Saviors just sat around.
Oh and I thought this was a show about zombies. There was like one shot of zombies and it felt so forced. They must of felt obligated to put that in.
I have mixed feelings about this episode. Rick could've easily killed Negan - more than once, mind you - so I'm not sure what went wrong there. And how much longer do we have to go back and forth with the Saviors-vs-everyone-else-plot line? It's getting annoying.
And what the hell happened to the junkyard people, where did they go missing in this episode? Have I not been paying attention??
And the ending? Found Carl annoying since ep.1, and now that the kid finally started to grow on me - that shit happens. Kinda had a feeling he got bitten when they encountered the walkers in the woods, but still... Not cool, AMC, not cool.
Like I said, mixed feelings. The episode had my attention the whole time, but left me confused and irritated at some moments.
And I thought this show couldn't get any worse before this episode. This one is the straw...
You know all those great shows where you don't know a characters' true intentions because the writers have woven a complex web of motivations and character traits. Well this show has that, but without any discernible reason due to character or motivation.
You know all those great shows where favorite characters are put in precarious situations and the intensity comes from wondering how they'll escape, well this show has that except it happens off screen and in this case totally stupid stuff happens off-screen (again), because it is patently unjustifiable in the context of the story, an experienced ZA survivor gets bitten in the stomach of all places, and is now doomed.
You know all those great shows where you're rooting for the villain to get his comeuppance but he always just escapes because of ingenuity, smarts or just that bit of luck, well this show has that except the villain escapes because the heroes are dumbasses. Freakin' Negan escapes death again, when all Rick has to do is hit him hard with the bat, instead of that love-tap, or just jump up and shoot him through the window instead of running away.
You know all those great shows where the action is intense and yet still easy to follow because of amazing direction, well this show has that, except the exact opposite (hard to follow and no intensity because of convoluted story-telling).
You know all those great shows...yeah, I'm just going to watch those...instead.
I'm done with you TWD.
whats going on?!
the walking dead has the worst storyline ever!
you start season 8 in the middle of a war!
episode 7 ends while negan men are surrounded by zombies then episode 8 start while niggan men are surrounder Rick's men!!
what happened in sanctuary and how they could get rid of zombies?
are the writers in a hurry and can't tell the story like what it should be?
mannn this just pisses me off. rick could have used the proper side of the bat to bash negan’s head in, but instead, he used the butt of it to hit him in the chest for some reason??? what has happened to the logic of these characters?
Is the baby from the outposts negans?
carl??? are you fucking kidding??? man that sucks.
Am I the only one who likes Carl? It Neagan I can't stand. What an averhyped character that is.
It's about time producers had the intellect to realise that people watching this on video more or less get a radio show. All I have is a black screen
I'm gonna go to Rick's, make a little spaghetti.
YAAAAAAAAAY.. FINALLYYYYY CARL is DEAAAAAAAD .
YIIIIIIIIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!!!!!!!!!!! CARL IS GOING TO DIE !!!!!!!!!! Worst actor of the planet, worst actor of the world, worst in the entire GALAXY and far far away!!! PLEAAAAAAAASE DON'T come back as a friendly zombie
Back to square one.... -_-
Just one thing new came up : Carl's going to die :O. Finally ?
Characters acting out of character is a big part of this episode and season.
They try to establish Carl as the moral compass this season but he’s previously been shown to be one of the few characters in recent years with a well balanced idea of the world.
There were opportunities to fight back. They don’t.
There were missed opportunities for characters to jump in and help. They don’t. Rick spending his time with the trash people instead of having him do a more extensive fight scene with Negan. And I fit one don’t like the junkyard people. For one, they have their own weird language when it’s only been 3 yrs in the apocalypse...not to mention how annoying they are and their lack of loyalty.
Carl was supposed to go on so his bite was like the final nail in the coffin. This season has had terrible scripts. And it felt flat. Like it was trying to be cool rather than focus on good storytelling. Nothing works.
I mean, to be honest this was the best episode of this season (was not that difficult to top the others tho...). When the saviours are in charge things get a lot more interesting but this whole fight has been going on for too damn long.
WHY DINDT RICK HIT NEGAN HARDER FOR FUCKS SAKE
The title says it all
I feel like the all bad episodes and dumb characters' decision are made only for this last episode. This episode highlights the quality of Carl's leadership and the supposedly possible scenario of Carl as Rick's substitute. Or, as Negan said himself, "one of [the] top guys."
However all that seems to fall flat with the impending doom of Carl, as a walker somehow has bitten him on the stomach. Which is a major let down. We've seen him this played out with a lot of characters before: Dale, Hershel, Glen. The most interesting part from Walking Dead is the dynamics between Rick and the other characters who serve as his more rational mind. All those characters are dead though, and every time one of them get to bite the dust, we get to see Rick turning either to a desperate version or "Ricktator" version of himself. With the preview for the upcoming episode, it seems like TWD intends to play the "Ricktator" persona again. Which is getting boring after a while.
Aside from Carl, there are only two other characters worthy to mention. One is Maggie, where we see her trying to maintain a leadership position. This has been an interesting take, especially seeing her relation with Jesus. There is a lot of Rick we've been seeing from Maggie in the last two seasons, and her hatred towards Savior is rightfully understandable seeing what happened to Glenn. Jesus never experienced this sort of horror, and so he always tries to play it humane and safe. Seeing the two play along is a nice one.
The other is Eugene. Previous episode seems to attempt to establish Eugene as an opportunist, craving for attention "loser" type. Despite the worst from episode 7, it got a very good portrayal of Eugene. However this episode flips that good development around and give back Eugene a sense of "good heart". It is questionable direction especially after a very good take on Eugene before, though I'd guess it is a plot point to somehow give a way for Gabriel to return to his friends. TWD did this a lot to their characters only to make way for plot, just like what happened to Daryl too often.
As for the other characters, there are really no interesting thing to mention. This episode feels like just another "buildup episode" TWD has been going on lately. Too often. A lot of things happen at once, characters barely take meaningful action, only waiting and kiting in an attempt to build something for the next episode(s).
I think that's one of the thing been plaguing TWD lately: too many setups. It results in weak characters, dumb decisions, and overarching senseless plot. As a mid-season finale, I have to say this one is disappointing
season 1-5 was good i had the feeling we move forward maybe find some answers.but from seas 6 were stuck,everything is boring and linear,a kill everybody thing.hello,wake up and do something you lose all wiewers
The whole season all characters act like stupid idiots with far-fetched experience.
NOOO CORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL NOOOOOOOOOOOOO omg I can't
I've bought a bottle of champagne in the anticipation of Carl's death. It's been a long time coming and should be celebrated as the death of a feckin useless character. Hopefully his zombified corpse will be despatched by Lucille! And burn the hat, then piss it out.
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I never thought that Carl's show was going to end like this...
Thais show oficially jumped the shark.
[spoiler]what a crappy ending and how many times have they had now to kill Negan? starting to just get boring[spoiler]
I have no idea what is going on in this episode. What is the timeline here? Once again there attempt to build suspense with close ups and music has failed. HELP WANTED - New Showrunner
[4.2/10] You’ve stuck through a lot if you’re a Walking Dead fan who’s made it this far. As someone who watched that first fateful episode on Halloween night nearly eight (oh god) years ago, it’s easy to feel like in a weird way, you’re one of the survivors from the show. You stick things out, finding ways to go on, as more and more of your friends and acquaintances drop out, many resigned to the fact that things can never go back to how they were.
And I’m ever the optimist, always the one who, even when the show has a bad stretch, likes what TWD is trying to do, even if it can’t always get there. Make no mistake, the fact that we have a prestige-aiming, big budget, zombie show, that aims to make statements about humanity and society as much as it wants to deliver the latest gory scene of the week is no small thing. Even when it stumbles, I’m apt to cut it some slack for the boldness of what it’s trying to accomplish.
But everyone has a limit, and I’m not there just yet, but Season 8 has been a test. It’s been the first season of the show where I almost dread flipping on the T.V. to watch, not because I cannot take the gore, or because I’m affronted by the show’s willingness to depict evil, but because I’m just tired, tired of this show waxing and waning but not really moving.
It’s time for the Negan arc to end. For a long time the bead on the show was that it was “find a safe haven/haven gets destroyed/go out in search of a new one.” And there was a certain amount of truth to reducing the show to that formula. But the minute the Alexandria acclimation arc ended, and the Negan arc began in earnest, there was the promise that we were entering a new chapter of the show, one about ideas of community, about existential threats, about international relations through the lens of his zombie T.V. series, that felt like exciting new ground.
But now, it feels like the show, and by extension the audience, is just stuck in the mud. This season’s assault on The Sanctuary felt like the perfect prep for the culmination of the arc. It provides a good enough reason our heroes to get into gear, but also to wait a little while to fully confront and resolve the issues with The Saviors. I expected, perhaps naively, that we would see that confrontation this week.
And maybe, TWD will continue with it’s unorthodox season structure and instead we’ll get the finale of this arc in the first episode back from the break, as the the show’s done before. But “How It’s Gotta Be” doesn’t feel like that. “How It’s Gotta Be,” true to its name, feels like an affirmation that this is what the show is now -- a neverending fight against the same bat-wielding thug and his coterie of evil, if compelling henchman. And as much as I appreciate this show, as much for its continuing potential as its intermittent execution, I can’t help but wonder how long I want to stay signed up for that.
In the meantime, we’re left with a series that had the opportunity to put a big period at the end of this sentence, and instead turned it into a semicolon. The name of the game in “How It’s Gotta Be” is jumping around the map and checking in with the various good guy leaders and their bad guy counterparts.
So we have Maggie running into Simon on the road, who shoots her two-line lieutenant; gives her the new marching orders, and sends her back to The Hilltop. We have Gavin going to The Kingdom and reluctantly reading the subjects there the riot act, while Ezekiel tries to give himself up to get his people to safety. We have Aaron and Enid getting into a brief but deadly firefight with the denizens of Oceanside. We have Daryl, Tara, Rosita, and more running into Dwight going full quisling at the end of the battle. And we have Rick returning to Alexandria to find it being blown to smithereens by Negan himself.
Stitching all of these plotlines together doesn’t make “How It’s Gotta Be” feel epic; it makes it feel overlong and overstuffed. The episode never builds any momentum or coherence, just jumping from place to place and rubbing the audience’s nose in how these grand plans have turned to crap. I don’t always mind that sort of thing. The Walking Dead is a show that deals with harsh things, and sometimes that leads to harsh ends. But there’s a sense of wallowing here, of just trying to reset the clock so that we can do this same song and dance with Negan all over again, and the prospect of that is miserable.
So whether we’re watching Eugene take a half-step toward doing the much ballyhooed “right thing” despite allowing this whole backlash to happen, or watching Michonne lose her cool and hack and slash at one of her enemies, or watching the wall-smashing crowd debating whether or not it was their actions that led to this or watching Rick and Negan get into a contrived slugfest,, it all comes off like the ultimate running in place, going over the same old ground, with no end in sight.
And then there’s Carl. I’ve never had a particularly strong investment in Carl. He has his moments now and then, often when he’s dealing with his omnibus parental issues, but mostly he’s a prop, something for Rick or Michonne or someone else to worry about or fight for or have tender moments with to advance their character more than they advance his. It doesn’t help that the kid’s not really the best actor yet, so his attempts to seem steely or haunted or protective have trouble landing.
But for some reason, mostly his impending demise, Carl is the closest thing to a focal point of “How It’s Gotta Be.” He makes a stand against Negan and offers to sacrifice himself. He wanders around looking mostly blank but nominally in awe of his explosion-filled surroundings. And for some inexplicable reason, he’s in charge.
Has Carl ever really shown good leadership? Has he ever seemed posed to take over as a decisionmaker? Besides one failed attempt on Negan’s life, has he ever even seemed fully competent about much of anything? It strains credulity that hardened, battle-tested folks like Michonne or Daryl or Rosita would turn everything over to his uninspiring kid when the rubber meets the road. The show is giving Carl his final moment of glory, and it wants to try to make that meaningful, but it thrusts Carl into the spotlight as though he’s always belonged there rather than genuinely earning that, and it weakens and already sputtering episode considerably.
And yes, in the end, he has a walker bite on his torso.
I wish I could give a damn. I really do. Carl is one of those last remaining links to the beginning of the series. He is, while still something of a prop, that initial, animating impulse for Rick, the thought that helped him strive to get out and find his family despite the undead marauders and more human threats between him and them. He’s been the symbol of the future, the walking representation of what the future may hold if Rick can secure it. Carl meeting his end, in a nominally noble and brave way, while saving someone Rick refused to bother with, should feel momentous and tragic.
Instead, it’s just another brick in the wall. It’s just another character meeting their demise in a way that lacks any oomph beyond the momentary surprise that the show’s willing to pull the trigger, so to speak. Carl’s death isn’t out of nowhere; it’s something that the show, or at least the episode, sets up and draws out. That removes the shock, despite the plot armor Carl’s amassed over the years, but it doesn’t imbue the meaning. It’s another empty death for a mostly empty character that the show bends over backwards to try to inject some sentiment into too little too late.
Maybe that’s where I am with this show as a whole. There’s still parts of it that move me, characters I’m invested in, ideas that I connect with. But more and more, The Walking Dead is whittling those down, until all that’s left is a few worthy souls, some amazing zombie effects, and a husk of what used to be.
I’m not done with this show. I’ve come too far to stop now. But the survival of my interest, like the survival of so many characters, is increasingly precarious, unpleasant, and dull.
It‘s just gotten plain stupid. No more words. Just sad. That show died with Glenn and hasn’t moved on from there. 1.5 seasons with not moving forward even the slightest. The only thing that gained some weight is Norman Reedus. That annoying dude Negan with his dull companions is so hard to endure. Killing off Carl? Dumbest decision. Rick getting his face bashed in again and runs..again. Can’t help but laugh about this parody it has become of itself.
This used to be my favorite show, but lately it's becoming more of a shit show. If only Rick weren't such a pussy and hit Negan harder in the head with his bat then it would all be over.Also, why the fuck kill Carl?! Are you kidding me?!
one more slowmo montage of character face closeups and I'm officially done with this show
Man, that sucks that they killed Neil. We really cared about that guy.
Picture was so dark I had to add some gamma to see that it was an another f*cked up episode.
I agree with the commenters with most likes here, this mid-season and episode sucked ass. How can they get one of the most eventful episodes so boring? There have been ambient music and close up faces in every episode this Fall. Booo-riiiiinggggg.
So many things wrong in this episode. How did Daryl, Dwight and the gang shoot everyone else except that woman who just happened to saw Dwight kill some Saviours? Rick just spent couple of episodes to bizarre convincing of Scavengers, then they just ran away? And what the fuck Enid, shoot on sight when seeing unarmed old woman, with super aiming in the dark? And so on...
There was a time I was really expecting the next episode and actually a bit frustrated with the time in between. But not any more. Today I'm just "meh, let's see if this is any better than the last" and less and less interested in the characters after seeing plot holes, off-scene obscurities, close up faces and the dumb people wandering around talking about irrelevant things...
Let's hope the rest of the season is better. Or I will be Negan soon.
Aptly titled "the longest night" this episode brings you into the darkest recesses the Walking Dead can bring you. I'm glad this aired in wintertime cause I had a hard time seeing whatever was going on, whoever was shooting at who and who got killed or escaped.
I don't understand why this had to be at night but then again I don't understand 98% of this season and why things are happening as they are.
I'll refrain from again talking about the stupidity of ALL the characters and decisions that are made. I'm sad to see Jeffrey Dean Morgan waste his talent and character on them. During the whole episode the one thought was "Just kill them, just kill them all!"
Carl finally redeemed himself a bit by giving Negan a nice "in your face" speech but then that what happened apparently happened... so yeah.
I'd love to have been behind-the-scenes and see whoever made the decision to do every single thing they did and will do this season, see themselves clap for the awesomeness they would show on screen -sarcasm- or maybe just say "fuck it".
The final decision to stop watching the show increases.
Is there a writer in the house?
I want to say that I really liked this episode, but that wouldn't be totally true. It was obviously the best one since the season started, however there are so many bad decisions by the writers, not only in terms of plot but especially characterisation. Every single person in this show has been dumbed down since Negan's first appearance, I think the only one for whom that did not happen was Carl, and look where that got him. For the last two seasons his character has clearly improved, if only for actually being the only rational person among all of the group... so let's kill him off!
This show keeps getting more frustrating with each episode, I keep watching it because, like mostly everyone else, I've invested too much time in to only drop it now.
Finally he is gone, was about time!!
Oh hell naahhhh! This is some bullshit right here!
Also, why didn't Rick hit Negan really hard with the bat? You're waiting for a long time to kill the bastard, and then it's like you're tickling him. A girl would've hit harder than that. WTF!
What the hell? Did they kill Carl off already? I thought he'll probably be the last one to die.
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I've read all the comics and I'm someone who finds the show rather predictable, I didn’t think the show would be able to shock me anymore. And well.....I was wrong.....It shocked me.........But it's a bad kind of shock!!! Carl dying is the worst fucking thing Scott Gimple has done to this show. I'm pretty pissed off about this because now whatever hopes I had of the show emulating the comic are now GONE as I am. I'm officially done with this show. Thank you and fuck you Scott Gimple.