What the fuck kind of ship and federation is this? Any mofo can jump in with their own opinions. How did this federation survive this long if any subordinate can speak up. Fucking SJW have ruined another show. Motherfuckers!!!!
That ending was so freaking obvious. Do they have high school kids writing for this show now?
Wait another gay guy in the show? How are they reproducing?
That's how democracy in the future works? You assemble the most senior and experienced representatives of entire worlds and basically nobody except an impartial speaker, a captain from the past, a trader with no official affiliation and an obviously mad scientist (gosh! Cleveland, report him don't collaborate! He has personal motives! That's not exactly scientific decision making!) are allowed to speak (the captain chose to whisper/breathe once again) Can anyone just beam in and speak as they wish?
The AI situation is classical Star Trek. It's not unlike the trial of Data back in TNG. Only that the "investigators" like to talk w/o ever getting close to the philosophical core of this question. But they always look very concerned and sad. Basically they ask the suspect aka Zora "will you harm us?" and it responds: "I can assure you I'm on your side because I recorded subconsciously some videos of you once in a while". That's it, basically, right? [I know that's not the main point, but I must admit, these AI dreams are scary. Can the computer see, sense and video record everything what happens aboard? That's creepy AF. Everything? And seniors officers can access this data when they ask nicely?]
This episode is again mediocre. It's really like last episode. Nothing much happens - which is a good thing since the constant explosions and hasty space travel from one inconsequential plot element to another had already ruined this season (and seasons before).
If I wanted a sentient AI on a ship with that kind of voice I‘d watch „Legends of Tomorrow“ not Star Trek.
If I had it on a star ship I‘m not sure if I’d transfer it to an Android and wipe it clear, at least if there’s the possibility that the ship doesn’t follow orders.
Sorry, I just don't get it.
If that option is even on the table: Why not extract Zora into an android body and be done with it? Then she can emote, be her own person, evolve and protect and make her own decisions all she wants... and she can also be controlled better, or do you actually want to punish a being that's responsible for you getting enough air to breathe?
We did have some of the same issues with Data (but again, he wasn't the ship's computer!) and Odo, way more poignant and socially relevant. Quite frankly, Stamets was the only one making any kind of sense here - and he ran the risk of being reassigned?!?
And that assembly... WTF? Why is there even an either/or-situation? Why can't they go find the species and prepare to shut down the phenomenon? Why is Discovery so necessary that it's needed on both fronts - it isn't, just build another spore drive (as it's done here) and/or send another ship to the galactic rim. It's really becoming ridiculous how a centuries old starship and its captain are the only ones to solve any issues the universe might come up with.
I understand where Booker's coming from. But how gullible can you be to trust that trader who, for all we know, could even be one of the species responsible for creating the black hole in the first place. "Other universe" - if that's not a hint, then what is?
But quite frankly, how come that Booker and the trader even get to be at the assembly (and Burnham as well, mind you, last time I checked she isn't a political leader - Starfleet's admiral what's-his-name wasn't even there...)? They simply take over the assembly, instead of being removed. And Burnham's moralistic speech... spare me that crap. Not even she actually believes it, and we are meant to believe that the assembly goes with it?
Okay, unless something extraordinary happens in the rest of the season, this will be my last season of Discovery. It's ridiculous, overly emotional, overly centered on personal issues...and the main arc suffers.
Why don’t they just transfer the consciousness of Zora to an android like Data and let Zora help rebuild another program for the ship. An AI ship is still dangerous since all crews are dependent on it.
Oh my god.
This one really hurt.
They REALLY wanted to draw parallels to social issues here and failed horribly.
The whole "what do we do with ZORA" thing was just a joke and the solution laughable. What had they done if ZORA had said "no, I don't want to join starfleet"?
And what happens if she decides that she wants to study flower instead of following orders?
They extracted a Trill conciousness (which was an absolute Taboo (remember how Odo and Curson (never learnt to spell that one) wanted to stay outside of Jadzia Dax?) but when it actually makes sense they draw some parallels to the problems trans people have today? (Them being the only ones besides the people that actually matter showing up to voice their oppinions was pretty on the nose...).
And then we have our alltime favourite Burnham - she didn't give one codescending speech about the federations values this episode, no! no! no! she gave TWO codescending speeches. One of them Stamets gave one at the same time.
Like I said: This episode was pure pain...
Have you ever noticed that no other Captain in the entire franchise has ever given a codescending speech with the exception of Spock?
Some have pointed out the obvious, but they did it as motivation, not this codescending "we have to be better" crap which actually means: "If you don't agree with me you are a piece of shit"
Well, almost all - in the preview we saw Cmdr. Nhan for a few frames - sadly not in a DIS Uniform. Would be really nice if they bring her back permanently.
She is one of the few characters that were actually likeable in this show (Not a fan of the Botox Job, but hey its her body so she can make it less attractive if she wants to...)
Why don’t they just transfer the consciousness of Zora to an android like Data and let Zora help rebuild another program for the ship. An AI ship is still dangerous since all crews are dependent on it.
Raise a hand? That’s speciesist, what if someone doesn’t have hands?
I found it very well built, peaking in making the viewers ask themselves what they would do: under fire, do you choose try to communicate, or do you erupt with anger, devil may care with the consequences?
I feel like the whole plot with Zora in this episode was pointless. The first thing I thought after the last ep was for Michael to say "well zora, I trusted you with my life just days ago, now you trust me with my crew's lives" and they needed an entire discussion about that x.x
Also I'm shocked that Book with his entire plot still believed he could persuade Michael and his speech was eloquent and not emotional, no yelling and stuff. I didnt believe he could do it and he has my appreciation. Still, at the end leaving Grudge to Michael and still saying I love you... I didn't expect that even tho I knew how this gonna turn up from the first moment he talked with Tarka.
9/10
Superb Episode
Yet again.
I can't get enough of
This "Zora" situation,
I frickin love it and it's
So bloody interesting,
I hope they play it out
For the rest of the season.
I agree with
Captain Burnham
and my hand was up.
Books has let me down
And trusting the guy
From far away, yeah
What can possibly go
wrong.
I never trusted him
From the beginning
and I'm not buying his
story at all,
Lorca 2.0 much
Except this guy is
a frickin genius
in fact he makes the
Smartest man in the room
Look like an amateur.
Every sense I have is
Telling me this guy is
Dangerous and
Michael really needs to
be made aware of him.
This show is so
Fcuking Cool
and ZORA is off
the charts amazing
and
awesome.
Oh my god what they did with Zora was completely and entirely reckless. She knows virtually everything about Human behaviour and the crew from historical records, all media, and direct behavioural observations, where she could easily have shown those "subconscious" images to them just to build false connection, and even Stamets destroyed the failsafe on top of that.
On the flip side, if she does turn out to be a benevolent synthetic intelligence, that'd be the biggest asset probably in the entire galaxy, as she could be a superbrain with every species' data and research, accelerating all scientific progress.
It's also interesting that they use "isolynium" instead of "omega molecules" like the lore shows in Star Trek Voyager season 4 episode 21: The Omega Directive, which describes a similar effect of damaging subspace.
Oh, and that cliffhanger was epic and believable too. Exciting.
this thing is getting worst season by season episode by episode.. :rage:
Shout by Neil LegrowBlockedParentSpoilers2022-01-28T23:59:42Z
how come I can't watch it