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VIP2I quit watching this season of Why Women Kill with this episode. The insanity of burying the eavesdropping woman - who fell to the ground and died, entirely by accident - was too much for me.
What she heard died with her.
There was absolutely no risk in calling the police and telling them the TRUTH. That a snoopy neighbor climbed to the second story of your house to spy on you and fell to her death.
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@linrey I'm guessing you aren't a fan of marc cherries other works, then.
lol, this is worse than original ending. It's like they were going for season 2 and then halfway through the shooting of last episode it got cancelled so they finished the entire story in 20 mins.
Why would Dexter kill Logan when Angela's theory for him to be BHB rested on finding some needle marks and ketamine on some junkies. And he could've claimed Kurt set him up because he found Kurt's bunker. This makes no sense.
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@gloom8 I rewatched the show before NB aired and LaGuerta's case against him wasn't strong either. She tried setting a trap for him by releasing one of the men who killed his mother and he barely got away. He killed her because she knew she almost got him and she was trying to get a warrant to check calls between him and Deb (which no one else knew about and 10 years later this data would not be kept). With her dead they again had nothing concrete enough to put him away.
As I said in another comment, I expected Dexter would die. I never thought this would end with him riding off into the sunset. I just think it was done poorly, I hate that they had Harrison kill him, and I hate they they completely vilified him at the end, when we know Dexter is more complex than that. I don't like that the show tried to make the fans feel guilty for rooting for him by overriding his previous characterisation. Are we not allowed to like and relate to complex fictional characters now? This kind of moralising is really self-righteous and damaging, because it's essentially saying only a certain type of trauma victim deserves sympathy, only the ones who respond correctly. I just wish they had shown a little more respect to Dexter and his journey, instead of sanctimoniously punishing him and the audience.
I'll be totally ok if for the next season we'd have no Sheldon and Mary but only the rest of the family who stayed in Texas. We already had Chuck Lorre productions going on without one of the titular characters at "Mom".
The whole George situation, wondering when he's going to die reminds me of a similar plotting in "This is is", and I'm even more fond of this particular dad :see_no_evil:loading replies
@mino_an I agree, "This is Us" had that hanging issue for a long time, and it's nerve wrecking, we never know when it's happening.
The milk spilling was really realistic here. But what's up with the drinking so much alcohol while breastfeeding, is that acceptable out there?!
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@mino_an I think this was in the previous episode, but I agree!
I think the season was great, I don't really understand why everybody aren't happy about it. I guess not all the viewers can accept the evolution of the characters and the way life may change things, but as a show aimed for some socially-challenged people, I think the show is doing a great job at showing that even people like Sheldon have feelings and can have meaningful and constantly evolving relationships. And if some of the viewers don't have it yet - well, it took the people on the show almost 10 years to get there, so there's hope for everyone out there! I love it and I'm sure soon enough I'll have a rewatch of the whole thing :)
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@mino_an I totally agree with you! <3 LLAP
June is starting to become like Aunt Lydia
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@stijnmaes1992 And that my friend, is how a cycle like this works.
I don't watch the show but I had to watch this episode because it was the first part of a crossover with "Station 19." I have to say WAY too much drama for me, even more than "Station 19."
I know it's a show centered around the doctors, but seriously I can't seriously see these people as competent physicians when compared to other medical dramas. WAY too many mistakes, breakdowns, unrealistic patient/doctor interactions, WAY too many doctor/doctor interactions (wink) and all in just one episode! Not very professional.
Glad that I was able to fill in the blacks after watching "Station 19" and then realizing the first part was this episode but this show still won't be added to my regular rotation. I enjoy a good medical drama but I prefer those dealing with real medical emergencies and less sophomoric drama and not so much social justice peacocking either.
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@cmonster Shonda's M.O. is the preachy soapbox. She lacks nuance and authenticity. It's a shame, because she tackles some worthy issues, just not in a way that doesn't make the topics feel trite and the audience scolded. Do you watch The Resident? S2E20 "If Not Now, When?" takes an important issue and delivers it in a way that left me feeling gut-punched in the most effective way. Shonda could take a lesson...or eight.
Amazing how a character predicted own death so well in this episode. Powerful and sad stuff. I hope we could see more and more of Omar, this one is truly addictive. And it doesn't feel like it was shot 13 years ago. Just a great, unique pace that demands your patience.
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@mino_an Feels like this show transcends time, I'm watching it right now, almost 2021, and it feel so fresh, original and new. I get why it's reffered to as the greatest show of all time.
lol, this is worse than original ending. It's like they were going for season 2 and then halfway through the shooting of last episode it got cancelled so they finished the entire story in 20 mins.
Why would Dexter kill Logan when Angela's theory for him to be BHB rested on finding some needle marks and ketamine on some junkies. And he could've claimed Kurt set him up because he found Kurt's bunker. This makes no sense.
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@gloom8 See, this why we have a different perspective on the finale. I'm fully on board with that approach.
Then there is no point in continuing this conversation, because I feel that is a fundamental misunderstanding of Dexter as a character. The OG show was an 8 season long character study that explored themes of humanity, trauma, violence, growth, development of empathy, justice vs. revenge. NB simply regressed all of Dexter's development back to the start and turned him into a completely different character to force a narratively unsatisfying outcome. There should be consequences for bad actions, but there is a difference between justice as conceptually fitting in the narrative and punishment that also puritanically scolds the audience and intentionally leaves them feeling guilty because they’ve been fooled all along.
Yes, trauma victim that turns into serial killer doesn't deserves sympathy
This is such a basic view. We're talking about fictional characters here. They are in a story. This is why, for example, you can enjoy and root for characters of all kinds - not only “pure,” gentle, innocent, morally “righteous” ones, but also compromised, difficult, damaged ones and frankly, even for unquestionable villains. I don’t like the idea that darkness or difficult themes or questionable morality instantly equates to the necessity to condemn and preach at your audience. It's is so boring. Such black and white thinking doesn't make for engaging storytelling.
This message is so damaging and I’ve actually seen comments where this concept has hurt and caused people to self-blame because they feel like they are being told they should never try and that they aren’t worth loving or even worthy of survival when a narrative damns a given character to brokenness if they’re not perfect pictures of innocent victimhood. The concept of - everything you attempt to do, no matter what, is wrong, because you are irrevocably ruined is ugly.
So shouldn’t it be the 90’s now since Georgie mentioned Die Hard 2 (1990) ?
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@mino_an Yup, it was mentionned in one ep of S2 or 3 that it was 1990 already
