In all honesty this being 4 episodes was not necessary. We’re given lots of theories from youtubers throughout the 4 episodes. Then it ends in the last 10 minutes with “we forgot to mention how this detail that closes the case.”
2 hours of skeevy youtubers showing you how smart they think they are could have been cut...really is a documentary about how scummy some youtubers are.
So, just like the Netflix "don't f**k with cats" """""documentary""""", it shows a bunch of internet... sleuths, it's the term they use in the film– and I would say crazy instead, but I wouldn't like to offend all the crazy people out there– destroying the life and almost killing a innocent man, Pablo Vergara, just so they could satisfy their inflated disturbed Ego. Congratulations to everyone involved in this, y'all freaking disgusting!
Elisa's death was treated like a hobby for a bunch of obsessed "sleuths" (I'm saying this word in my head as an insult), who fancied themselves investigators but that in truth are just a bunch of conspiracy theorists, and of the lowest caliber, because 10yo kids could invent a better story than what they tried to push. I mean, that thing about a random piece a shoe appearing at some point in the elevator video (spoiler: there's no other shoes other than Elisa)? Really? That's all you could come up with? About the timestamp: do you really think that police would disclose such an vital information to the public? Really? REALLY?
In short, they didn't contribute with anything to the investigation, just wasted people's (police) time.
The police did what they needed to do, didn't listened to those wackos, investigated with competence and respect, an example of good investigative police work.
The history of Skid Row neighborhood is actually the most interesting part of the film! I would gladly have sat though a documentary about this place, and the future of it... it could easily include the history of Cecil Hotel too, and I would watch it intently. The former resident was really interesting to listen to, sounded like he had a lot of stories to tell about both Skid Row and Cecil Hotel.
Just want to say I'm sorry for what you went through Pablo, and I hope you get better soon and that inspiration finds you swiftly.
Overall, when not talkning about police work, the actual reason behind her death, or historcal informations, it's a waste of time. And I have to say this is one of the worst docuserie I ever watched. "Don't f**k with cats" it's a masterpiece compared to this piece of filmage.
If you feel like this was exploitative af like me, be sure you give it a thumbs down on Netflix. Otherwise they’ll never learn.
A terribly sad story. Instead of spending 4 hours letting YouTube conspiracy theorists blow this out of proportion, they should’ve discussed mental health a little bit more.
Perfectly shows why some Youtubers should just stfu and let people do their job...
I remembered hearing about this story a while ago, but never knew all the details. I think this documentary does a good job of laying out all the facts and portraying why people were so obsessed with this case in the first place. I felt very uneasy while watching, especially during the elevator video. It was very interesting and gave enough information to form your own opinion of what happened.
I absolutely love True Crime docs but this series was way too long and just feels disrespectful at times.
I get that they are trying to discredit these web sleuths but then why would you give so much airtime to these idiotic conspiracy nuts with a hero complex? This entire story could have been told in a 90 minute movie. The reveal/pointing out the insanity and exploitativeness of these YouTubers comes waaaay too late. Episode 3 and the beginning of episode 4 were just straight up disgusting to watch.
Was there really any need in this being almost four hours long? They just keep presenting the same information over and over again in this documentary series that is almost four hours long and keeps presenting the same information over and over again.
I wouldn't recommend watching this documentary series that is almost four hours long because it keeps presenting the same information over and over again. Were you aware that this is a documentary series that's almost four hours long and keeps presenting the same information over and over again?
Do not under any circumstances consider sitting through this documentary series that runs at almost four hours long and keeps presenting the same information over and over again.
could've used less commentary from the people infatuated with her case to an unhealthy extent
All those asses better apologize to Morbid for ruining his life.
The tension of an unexplained case that is well-built at the beginning is spoiled by unprofessional YouTubers speculating and seeking sensation. All this lacks empathy towards the victim.
Making a huge spectacle out of an incomplete story. 75% of the content here is youtube conspiracy theorists postulating what could have happened. "My instincts say it happened this way." "I feel connected to this case and to Elisa Lam." Shut the hell up.
The show follows a lot of these theories, despite them being based on nothing, but then it has moments where it says "these youtube theorists are bad, actually" and then it goes back to interviewing them like they're experts on the subject matter. Feels really gross seeing Netflix focus a documentary on all these people making baseless assumptions about a dead person and claiming they "know her so well" after reading her Tumblr. stupid
I'm sorry but this programme is utter arse. It deals in random speculation, irrelevant interviews and comments from self important YouTubers offering one sided takes on their interpretation of the data at hand, mainly sensationalising the video. Why does a video have to be doctored if it stutters? It could be an old CCTV system struggling with multiple cameras and bad buffering. Have they never had network problems streaming video and it skips frames? It would have been nice to have heard the flip side to speculation rather than presenting it as facts.
It makes a mockery of documentaries and true journalism. One for conspiracy theorists and people after their next crime fix regardless of balancing both sides of the evidence.
Shite with a capital “S".
Edit: episode 3 is full of twats.
Edit 2: having now watched episode 4, I can safely say the YouTubers are c***s who have gone so far down the path one way that they can't except an accidental term. What proof do they have of LAPD mischief? What proof of a hotel cover up. Stick to the facts. A truly awful, awful production. Joe Berlinger should not be allowed to put documentaries under his list of credentials. This plays straight to the heart of those that cannot accept an answer that does not fit their agenda. Probably relevant to a lot of Americans right now. I quite liked The Killing Season and it introduced me to Web Sleuths. This however has destroyed that reputation for me.
An interesting and tragic case. The show definitely goes on too long but is interesting enough.
I liked the history of the hotel, the area and other criminals involved with the hotel but these are often thrown in without much context. They should probably have just done a series on the hotel and done an episode about each notable crime / criminals relating to it.
I feel very sorry for Pablo Vergara and hope it serves as a warning to the damage internet conspiracies can do.
There is one moment where a key piece of information is just withheld as the rest of the story is told to keep it mysterious. Felt like a cheap move.
Definitely too much time given to internet conspiracy theorists. I guess they try and tell the story of how easy it is to get drawn in and how damaging it can be but doesn’t feel well executed.
Probably an episode or 2 too long. 6/10
did not like, insinuating that there was so much foul play involved when it's clearly just a young girl having a manic episode, cba, felt sorry for that goff guy too
A gripping true crime documentary series that is expertly crafted, with a focus on meticulous research and interviews with key players in the case, including law enforcement officials, journalists, and witnesses. It also provides a fascinating look at the history of the Cecil Hotel, which has long been associated with crime and death. One of the strengths of the series is the way it handles the complexities and contradictions of the case. Rather than trying to provide easy answers or sensationalize the story, the filmmakers delve into the many unanswered questions and conflicting accounts, leaving you with a sense of doubt. The series also provides a fascinating look at the way social media and internet detectives have become involved in true crime investigations, contributing to the search for answers in the case.
These people that the documentary labels as "Web Sleuths" are just bored idiots seeking thrills and attention. They show up to the hotel and film themselves with selfie sticks, smiling, like they're going through a haunted house. Go get some exercise, or do some volunteer work! None of them know how diseases work, how elevators work, how governments work, or how the video surveillance system works, and they didn't bother to contact experts to find out, either. The police department ended up getting overwhelmed with calls from people with nothing useful to add. The director could have included the "web sleuths" in this series for the purpose of pointing out how pointless and even counterproductive their activity was, but instead the director made them the protagonists for most of the series. This series may end up encouraging more idiots to act in similar ways in more cases, which is a shame.
[Netflix] A docuseries that is as bipolar as the victim herself. It pays attention to the "cyber-detectives", but at other times it despises their investigations (in fact, the series is also built around morbid and entertainment). It would have been interesting to focus on the police investigation, but it might only have taken two episodes. Joe Berlinger is also not characterized by the depth of his true crime shows.
Though I feel like this docuseries did a good job exploring the mystery, the coincidences, and the theories behind this case, I can't help but feel like it did a disservice to Elisa Lam. 3 episodes on mysteries and theories, but only 1 episode on her mental state and it wasn't even covered in-depth? The documentary would be much more helpful if they focused just as much on her mental state (which, imo, is what put her in a situation she couldn't survive) as they did on the mysteries.
Elisa Lam was acting erratically since she arrived at the hotel and her bizarre behavior was ignored or brushed off. Perhaps using the docuseries to provide a better understanding of her mental state and illness would be a lot more helpful to other people out there. Perhaps it could save a life somewhere, by making the public more aware of this kind of behavior and the reasons behind it.
Just because true crime YouTubers, web sleuths, and the public opinion say her mental state had nothing to do with her death because there are too many things that don't add up doesn't mean that's a fact. And yet, that's the foundation of the entire documentary. I don't think that's fair. Elisa Lam was more than a mystery that went viral.
Binged the whole series in one sitting... definitely mind f:asterisk_symbol:ck material
A documentary that shows how meaningless the lives of many people are to the point that they spend a lot of time engaging in lynching and conspiracies, resulting in the cancel culture phenomenon. Elisa's tragic story and her family's suffering are barely mentioned.
It's good to see that the universal glorified 'Youtubers' are being digitally punched in the face with this show. The show shows exactly what's wrong with these influencers and how dangerous it can be if you believe someone with a smooth talk and only a small part of the facts.
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Mostly okay, but too much airtime given to egocentric youtubers and their conspiracies that are only interested on themselves and being the ones finding the truth to be the hero, instead of honoring the memory of the victim.
Those people haven't done any good and caused harm. Why giving them this exposure ?
Beside that, there are interesting and caring people giving great inputs.
I don't know, this could have been a good work about mental health but instead it's wasted trying to be a thriller show.