This season's story is looking pretty interesting, I'm just upset that every time they're getting to reveal something, like the guy opening the suitcase, they cut the scene to reveal later. hahahaha
Good episode but a little forgettable and the horror aspect was less affective because it was basically the same thing we already saw in the pilot.
Let my boy Will finally be happy I'm begging you Duffer brothers! And Mike be a better friend, come on.
Damnnnnn that's is so good, High level
Angela totally deserved it. XD
the small banter between dustin & steve is so fun, i love these two
& i feel like nancy's gonna feel so much guilt over what just happened to her assistant editor, it's like barb all over again, damn :(
That’s right. Bully’s get stitches. Should’ve hit her harder.
So Nancy had to cook up some story to enter the trailer park and then she's like running around the place like Disneyland, interviewing people and shit without the cop seeing her? Really guys.... ?
I'm loving that they are leaning more into the horror side.
This is like the moment similar to Harry Potter after the Goblet of Fire movie when the movies got really dark...Was not expecting the sort of death scenes I've seen with contorting limbs.
How dare Mike & Will use that tone to ask what El did, bitch deserved it #ElDidNothingWrong #GirlBoss
There's a lot to like in this one, but it's still mostly ruined for me by the over-the-top, heavy-handed and amateurish overkill on the whole El-is-being-bullied front. The level of abuse and the fact that EVERYONE seems to be supportive of it is just ridiculous. Get rid of the anvils, writers. We get it already. We got it halfway through, in fact -- if not sooner.
it's all coming together now but damn wtf! The last episode where Jane/El massacres all the kids at the lab was brutal and now knowing this makes all the prior seasons creepier because of what we saw when she attacked Angela at the fucking skating rink like just imagine she had her telekinesis...... it would be "The Boys" season two finale all over again!
[7.3/10] Let’s start with the stuff I care about. It’s nice to see Mike and Eleven reunited. The sweetness of their reunion, and Eleven wanting to impress Mike, and the general tenor of the two characters who’ve been separated for months getting to be together again is heartwarming and infectious.
But I also appreciate where it goes wrong. One avenue of problems is Will, who feels like a third wheel, is miffed at how Mike doesn’t seem particularly invested or excited to see him, and is bothered by how Eleven’s lying to Mike. The subtext is that Will has an out-and-out crush on Mike. (The “What about us?” scene wasn’t particularly subtle.) And that's an interesting angle on the teenage love triangle you don’t see very often. Will working out his feelings in real time, in an era when there would be very little acceptance for that sort of thing, has lots of potential. (See also: Robin’s storyline.)
The other avenue is, of course, Angela. I’m not a fan of Angela, and I don’t just mean because she’s utterly horrible to poor Eleven. It’s because she’s cartoonish levels of mean, and the rest of her friends and every kid seems to be in on it. On’ get me wrong, kids can be awful to one another, but this seems too carticatured and absurd in its terribleness, to the point that it feels cheap and manipulative.
And yet, Millie Bobby Brown is a good enough young actress to make it work. You cannot help but feel for her, in the distance between the perfect day she’d planned with Mike, to the horrible humiliation that Angela and her goons inflict on her. It’s easy to pity and sympathize with her, and even to feel righteous anger on her behalf.
That's the cinch for when she socks Angela with a roller skate. On the one hand, it’s cathartic, given how craven Angela acted, going so far as to make fun of the fact that Eleven’s father is dead. On the other, it’s horrifying to see an act of physical violence that results in blood pouring down a young woman’s face, replete with flashbacks to Eleven’s murderous rampage from when she was a young child. It feels like we’re building to something in all of this -- Eleven having legitimate grievances but going too far -- and I’m curious to see where it all goes.
Likewise, I’m on board with the Family Video detective crew. Steve and Robin are already a great duo, and their conversation about wishing they could merge -- to form someone who knows what they want and has the gumption to go after it -- is endearing. Dustin and Max make a good duo as well, as surivvors of previous Upisde Down nonsense who, given Max’s proximity to the murder, know that something supernatural is up. And Dustin and Steve are already a great comic team, with a dynamic as funny and solid a give and take as any in the show. So the quartet using their quips and smarts and video rental histories to track down Eddie (via one “Reefer Rick”) makes for a good crew to follow.
The scene where they find Eddie is solid as well. The detective work checks out, and Eddie being understandably freaked by what he saw and unable to explain it in a way where any rational person would believe him is a good lead-in to the future supernatural chicanery to come.
That said, I’m not super into Vecna, or the explanation for him. I know we’ve been doing “real life monsters as D&D characters” for a long time now in Stranger Things, but how they’re able to piece together that the guy who killed Chrissy is an undead “dark wizard” laying curses on people seems too big of a leap.
Speaking of which, I don’t care about Nancy and her junior journalist/detective routine. She’s just not an interesting character, and her implausibly poking around the murder scene and talking to witnesses and bystanders feels like it’s only able to happen because the plot needs it too. We find out from Eddie’s uncle that Vecna is, potentially, some incarnation of a guy who killed his family years and years ago, adding to the Freddy Krueger vibes of the piece.
His latest kill is Nancy’s nerdy managing editor, Fred. And the scares that lead up to it are fine. The idea of a kid who was in a car accident and ran and becomes consumed by guilt is alright. But after Chrissy, the novelty has already worn off a bit, and we barely know Fred, so it’s tough to be too shattered by it. The actual death remains unnerving, with cracked bones, sunken eyes, and a body collapsing in a heap. But ghouls yelling “murderer!” and corpses in graves is pretty standard stuff.
I also don’t give a damn about Jonathan fretting over his relationship with Nancy. Sure, there’s something to the idea that he doesn’t want to repeat the cycle of his parents, and also doesn’t want to leave his mom and brother behind after all they’ve been through. But it’s flat teenage drama with nothing particularly novel or interesting about it. The only decent part is Argyle calling him out for lying and doing the “slow motion” break-up routine. A big meh.
I’m also come-see come-saw about the Satanic panic/D&D thing with the basketball star kid. It’s good for Stranger Things to play on real life hysterias, particularly when it overlaps with actual dark supernatural things occurring. But as with Eleven and Angela, the execution is too cartoony to really make an impact. I do appreciate that Jason seems genuinely broken up by his girlfriend’s death, but it’s still a pretty cheesy subplot so far.
Last but not least, I’m not nearly as invested in the Joyce/Murray/Hopper business as I could be. We’re moving slow and steady on Joyce and Murray following the trail to Hop. Their actual interactions are amusing enough, but we’re two episodes in, and their misadventures are already dragging, which isn’t a good sign.
As for Hopper, it’s all teases at the moment. It’s pretty cheap that they faked out his death, even if they already hinted at it at the end of last season. The torture scenes aren’t pleasant, but like a fair amount else in this episode, also don’t feel real enough to move you. The production design, costumers, and make-up team do a stellar job, and David Harbour continues to perform well. We just don’t really know what anybody wants from Hopper or what the point of this is, so it comes off like wheel-spinning before an inevitable reunion. It’s good that they want to try to earn what is effectively bringing back someone from the dead, showing how much crap they have to go through before it happens, but the crap isn’t particularly interesting so far.
That's where I am with “Vecna’s Curse.” Some material here is worth holding onto. But a lot of it, however well intentioned, isn’t real or interesting enough to care about.
Did not expected that level of quality from season 4. New actors included.
That team captain's mannerisms suggested some foul play at first. If Homelander has a younger brother I know who can play him. Speaking of which, I only now put it together that Chrissy was supposed to be a "murderer" too, like Fred. Did they implied that she had an abortion and that's why she fits the rule? Oof, I guess I know which party Vecna would vote for.
Poor Will, he was pining after him from season 1. I was hoping show was hinting at some Californian guy. Would they reference any queer coded movies through (Teen Wolf, A Nightmare on Elm street 2 etc)? Probably, not.
Whoever was that person that introduced concept of "moosor" and dugged up authentic phonebooth and even wrote "Kino" on it... Thank you! In a show where script wills into existence international phonecalls from a phonebooth in USSR... that unnecessary attention to detail is admirable.
p.s. Tsoi is alive!
So far it's insane...
“A man knows Hopper is alive…”
"The KGB are the worst of the worst. I'm talking torture". Oh really? Need I remind you about Guantanamo Bay, or maybe Abu Ghraib? All sides of the same coin.
Okay, Will is starting to annoy me, all he does is stand around staring at his friend while she is getting bullied...
These episodes are way too fucking long and they are overdoing the bullying crap.
They're already splitting the cast into separate stories again, because thaat worked so well last time. The whole El school drama is also pretty over-dramatized and already pretty annoying, hope it at least leads to something worth it.
Every time Angela opens her mouth… Eyes Roll
Jesus Christ. This definitely has to be the worst and most terrifying monster in the show so far. The way he tortures his victims mentally and then completely breaks them apart physically… It’s absolutely chilling and so very dark.
Also, I will never understand the concept of bullies. Why would anyone get any kind of satisfaction or joy out of torturing another person? It just doesn’t make any sense to me and I doubt it ever will.
Anyway, I wish all victims of bullying could have an epic kind of revenge like El just did, though. That was a very satisfying moment
WHY ARE WILL AND MIKE BASICALLY JUST STANDING THERE WHILE ELEVEN GETS TORTURED?! So infuriating to watch. Will did this in the last episode too. And if I were Mike, I would’ve went straight to Elle, not the effing DJ. I’m so annoyed.
Also, Jonathan is an awful character. Always has been.
A few stand out moments
-Ok yep, this new monster is pretty damn scary, but it’s a little weird the cops got on Nancy’s case for staying near the crime scene longer then they promised, despite the fact they unconsciously yet willingly allowed them to stay longer. So yeah, Fred’s death is kinda on the cops this time.
-It feels SO refreshing seeing how Hopper survived that laser exploding but man he is being put through the ringer and still taking all this torture like the bull he is.
-Seeing Mike & El back together is still super cute but Will gets shoved to the side once again. Although it is nice to see him finally speaking up about being a third wheel.
-Alright, I’ll admit I should’ve cut Billy some slack, because El’s bully Angela proved that she’s a million times worse; almost on par with the bullies from Season 1. Angela is an outright unforgivable bitch and she rightfully deserved that roller skate to the face. It’s a good start but she and her posse better be dead by season’s end
I somehow found this episode less interesting than the previous one, though a lot of happens here, too. I guess the episodes should be shorter, I like to watch an episode in one go and it is really hard with this show. Also, there is some filler stuff like Jonathan's conversations with his friend about his love life.
Chrissie is found dead, so police investigation starts, but our characters investigate as well. There are several teams:
-Lucas is with the baskeball team and the guy who is the captain of the team dated Chrissie and now believes that Eddie killed her so he and his team decide to hunt Eddie down and revenge Chrissie.
We have the second victim in Nancy's nerdy assisstant, who starts seeing creepy people accusing him of being a murderer and at the end he has his arms and legs broken and is dead just like Chrissie. Nancy shows some journalist skill in questioning Eddie's uncle who tells her the story of a local psychopath.
Mike comes to visit El but instead of having a romantic date with her boyfriend, she get humilitated by Angela and the rest of the buddies. El takes revenge on Angela by hitting her on the face with a rollerskate, with the callback to her past when she supposedly kills all other kids who participated in the experiment (what about these gifted kids whom she met when she escaped from Hawkins in I think season 1? they couldn't have been killed as she wouldn't meet them otherwise)
Joyce and Murray investigate the letter Joyce found in the doll and decide to call the number given in the letter (Murray uses some kind of pre-VPN to hide their location) and get in touch with a guy who is a guard in a Russian prison where Hopper ended up. And monsters will be monsters but the real scary thing in the show is the Russian prison since this is what is really happening to some Ucrainian people right now who ended in Russian prisons. The Russians are the real monsters here.
Uh, for fucks sake.
First of all, the show suffers greatly from having its characters age too much in between seasons. They certainly aren't cute innocent little kids anymore, and this kind of changes the appeal (and premise) of the show, while making some of the lack in acting talent all the while more evident. It makes the show less enjoyable.
(Meanwhile Winona Ryder hasn't skipped a beat in the last 2 years on still being fucking weird on/off screen and hard to take seriously as an actress).
None of this is something the showrunners could have controlled for the most part. But even so, everything else about the show is still kind of shit though.
Hopper's plot is stupid and cringey, Eleven's plot is stupid and cringey. I get what they're trying to do with the horror aspect, but it's just sudden, out of left field for this show and kind of dumb in execution.
Season 3 sort of wrapped up everything nicely but Hawkins still continues being the poltergeist indian burial ground combined with twilight zone 24/7 for some reason. Will is ...well, comically gay all of a sudden. I could go on.
The premise outstayed it's welcome and the story barely makes sense anymore. The aesthetics and soundtrack still hold up, but that's about it for season 4 of Stranger Things, it seems.
I get it a few kids can be bullies. But a rink full, that's totally illogical.
What is it with Stranger Things and bullying? I get they want to drive it home but it’s so over the top and seems to last forever. I get it. El is miserable and these kids are dicks. Just too much.
Also Mike is such a self-centered puke. I kind of liked his devotion to El in the first season but he’s been nothing but an annoying brat since. The way he treats Will is horrible. Like he doesn’t even exist. I kind of think the writers feel this way about Will too. They have no idea what to do with him. He just stands there and does nothing to help El. Tiring.
angela deserved much more. I was relieved
Geez these bullying scenes can be difficult to watch, even trigging for some.
I guess Steve, Dustin, Robin, and Max are the A-Team now. I’m here for it.
That was a big heavy handed... pun intended, deservedly so, but... still... ouch.
Good episode but I don't know if I like this demon warlocks thing. It doesn't feel very Stranger Things.
I was so proud of El when she smashed that girl's face
Well, most of the characters were a little too dramatized in this episode or always..? We'll see!
The soundtrack this season is on fire! The story content, on the other hand, is not. Hoping for a connection of all of this to be made to the actual Stranger Things lore. On the plus side, at least this season is finally different from the previous two (which were just copy & paste of the first one).
The actor who plays Jason sounds EXACTLY like Tom Cruise. It's uncanny. And I see Will has made a habit of just standing there watching and doing nothing while El/Jane is being bullied.
Loving the Mike and Will angst
Less bullying, more action scenes please, this isn't Chilling Adventures of Sabrina.
This doesn’t feel like Stranger Things it feels like a totally different show
It’s just me or Vecna really looks like lord valdemort
Powers or no powers, you don’t mess with Eleven/Jane.
Eleven being bullied is so sad, I feel so bad for her.
Much better episode than the first one.
Still lame that the bully calls Jane a snitch. When she didn’t even tell on her for tripping her and ruining her assignment. The teacher just assumed it was the bully and was right.
This is shaping up to be a fun season. I love the new antagonists. Vecna feels meaningfully distinct from the Mind Flayer and Demagorgons and his kills are so visceral. I especially like how he warps the minds of his victims because that tension is excruciating
On a character development level while all of El Mike and Will's subplot was painful to watch it did feel like meaningful character development. I've seen El suffer immense trauma and harm but there's something about the powerlessness of being bullied that this episode captured painfully but truthfully. Plus seeing her wack Angela in the head was so satisfying.
The Will Mike antagonism feels like a rehash of season 3 tension but given that they never really resolved that arc and Mike never really learned the lesson of how to manage your friendships and your relationships I'm not super mad they're revisiting the topic
I have appointed myself the president of the Will-Lucas defence squad because Mike and Dustin have been pretty shitty friends this season and as someone rooting for everybody black and gay, I will not stand for their mistreatment. Especially Will whose been nothing but a good friend the whole time.
the Hopper scenes in this ep feel like they're from an entirely different show that I have no interest in watching. These Russian prison scenes are so separate from everything else and I know they won't tie into the wider paranormal conflict of the season at all. It doesn't help that I spent most of last season rooting for Hopper's downfall so seeing him back isn't a fun time.
The new characters in this season are also pretty great. I really loved Eddie in the last ep. he was fun and playful in an engaging way but Joseph Quinn brought a wonderful emotional intensity in his scene in this ep that I ate up. He captured the horror of seeing Chrissy's gruesome death brilliantly. The show is also doing one-off characters brilliantly first Chrissy in ep. 1 and now Fred Benson (yes I think it's weird he was given Freddie's exact name from iCarly) in this one. We only get a sliver of their stories but they really come to life with specificity and character detail most other one/two off characters aren't given (i mean how much did we know about heather before she died in season 3
This dungeon and dragon propaganda shiet xD
Good is the monster and how it kills at least but also could kill more brutal not the same always.
A typical episode of the show, but not of the best ones.
Joyce's storyline is kinda boring, as usual,with Murray as goofy, not quite adequate comic relief. A bit of the same for Nancy's snooping around.
But interesting part with Fred. So the clock is not a part of some past trauma of Chrissy but linked to Vecna. Love the gory style of this season.
Eleven's whole school drama is pretty long and not really interesting either (except the part where the bitch got it coming that was satisfying).
And that's basically it. Not much happening.
Trying too figuring out if Will has a crush on Mike or not
Creepy ending again
Loving the darker horror as opposed to what we are used to from ST but dude I couldn't care less about Eleven's storyline or any of the events in California. Tho I wouldn't mind seeing her go dark and pull a Carrie on those bullies lol. Im aware it's to tap into her past trauma and what happened in the Lab, so I'll let it slide. Dustin, Steve, and Robin continue on being the best combination of Characters. Lucas being on the opposing team could be interesting, depending on how they handle things. Curious to see where they're gonna go with this season but it's giving major Cthulhu vibes.
Did they imply in this episode that the fictional Michael Myers is ‘real’ in their universe?
I'm totally getting Hellraiser vibes from this.
Great, now Eddie is in track, Angela looks way better and another loner (?) taken by Vecna.
Not like Chrissy seemed like a loner in particular. We don’t know her back story yet, other than being the high school queen. Such apparent opposite from Fred. In both cases though dead mothers guilt tripping them. Maybe guilt connects them - and in that case, El might join them at some point. As it seems she’s getting her memories back.
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Shame Eleven does not have her powers. She could have Carrie(d) the whole place.