That was bad, even for TWD. No plot progression, no character progression, no insights, just retreading old, old ground.
[7.4/10] Man, there’s a lot to unpack here. But the upshot is this. This show still defaults to extended, overblown conversations between two characters, and it is just not good at them. But what it is (at least sometimes) good at is coming up with thorny moral conundrums and setting faux-meaningful montages to stirring indie pop songs, and I am here for it.
So let’s go with my favorite part of the episode -- the whole situation with Negan trying to save Lydia from a beating and accidentally killing one of the Highwaymen in the process. There’s so many great wrinkles to a pretty simple incident.
You have Lydia in between her two surrogate dads, trying to figure out how to get by in a very tricky situation. The fact that she wants to blend in, but is still treated like an outsider makes her gravitate toward Negan, who knows a thing or two about that. He tells her not to take the bullying lying down. It’s an effort to help her, but it’s almost the spark that lights up this whole conflagration. And on the other hand, you have Daryl, who’s the good dad, who wants her to striaghten up and fly right and do things the right way, while being a little naive to the realities of her situation. The devil and angel situation between them is a really interesting one, and as much as I’m come-see-come-saw about Lydia, I like this exploration of the position she’s in (even if her bullies are a bit over the top.)
But I also like the dynamic between Daryl and Negan. There’s a subtle suggestion that Daryl sees a bit of himself in Negan, wondering if the old dog has reformed and if, in that way, it means there’s something on the other side of this for Daryl himself. The scene between the two of them is tense, in the best way, and it’s one of the few one-on-one conversations that works.
It works because, as in the last episode, it calls on our heroes to balance the practical and the pragmatic. Negan was already on thin ice, and tempers have flared given the renewed threat of the Whisperers, so the community is hungry for blood and ready to take out their frustrations on an old enemy. Daryl has to balance his own appetite for justice for someone he’d probably rather see dead, with the need for law and order in the community, with the reality of an angry mob that might exact its justice one way or another, and an overarching need to protect Lydia herself.
That’s the small complication I love in this one -- Michonne’s idea that it might be Lydia’s existence within their group that’s kept the Whisperers from destroying them, making it all the more important that they protect her. It complicates the motivations and realities for everyone involved. That’s particularly potent in a situation like this one, where folks already want Negan’s head, but it’d be punishing him for his former deeds, not for the act of valor he did here in trying to save Lydia from being hurt or worse due to the actions of her mother and not herself. There’s so many worthwhile tangles to that, and I love it.
What I don’t love is making Ezekiel suicidal, giving him a long, overwritten conversation (not to mention kiss) with Michonne, and the doldrums this episode falls into in the mean time. I like the choice to explore how Ezekiel would react to losing his kingdom and losing Carol, and I like even better him commiserating with Michonne over having lost a lot and feeling the weight fall only on your own shoulders. But the kiss thing comes out of nowhere, and the dramatization of Ezekiel’s feelings are incredibly rushed, and it all falls apart and gets fixed likety split.
I have mixed feelings about Michonne’s bits in the episode apart from Ezekiel. Her conversation with Judith is a little too artificial-sounding (though Danai Gurira makes it work) and a little too neat with “L’il Asskicker” figuring out the Whisperers’ plan. But I do like the idea of Michonne being heartened despite her occasional sense of lostness by the next generation, and the joy of living and fighting with her daughter by her side.
The show tries to channel that idea, expressed by Ezekiel and Michonne, about being so lost that you’re almost ready to give up, for Magna, to pretty middling results. I’ll admit, I just don’t care about Magna, and the show hasn’t given me much of a reason to. She continues to feel like the Poochie of the newbies, but maybe they’re cooking something up interesting here with her and her partner. (I’ll admit, I did find it interesting that they had a lawyer-client relationship.)
And the fallen tree at the Hilltop is a good plot obstacle for people to have to hop over. The way it motivates Ezekiel’s mental paralysis and the newbie quintet to have to go fight walkers is solid construction, even if the show doesn't do much with either.
Overall, this episode’s a mixed bag, one that has a lot of good material involving Negan, Lydia, and Daryl in particular, untying the knot of how a new society and the threat of war and the integration of outsiders gets all jumbled together. That’s outstanding stuff which buoys the proceedings, even if it’s dragged down by out-of-nowhere stuff for Michonne and Ezekiel (two characters who haven’t interacted much), and some over the top stuff elsewhere.
Judith is a little ass kicker
Jeepers! What has happened to this show! Soft rock music plays, tree falls over, king panics, king goes to jump of cliff, Daryl cleans door, more soft rock music plays, the end. Crock of.
Really enjoying the season so far. Even in an episode like this where relatively small things happen, you can feel the tension and a clear build up for what's to come.
Personally, I hope Lydia gets to find her place in the community, I kind of like her.
I think they should stop painting Negan as a villain amongst the characters. He clearly redeemed himself and it's what Aaron said in an earlier episode that in someone else's story you could be the villain. It reminded me of when the Rick and the gang first came to Alexandria and everyone was scared of them.
So glad the kiss between Michonne and Ezekiel (as seen in the trailer for this season and in this episode) was nothing serious. I like both characters but they are not a good match romantically. I do hope (after seeing this episode) that they bond as stronger friends.
The balance in characters feels good too now. I'm really glad we have characters like Luke and Eugene around to give this show some light in an overall dark story.
Thank God for Negan. Please bring back Rick and quit with these philosophical episodes. This show got boring.
It just seems that the more bad opinions about an ep there is the more I like it and vice versa. I liked this one. Most of the characters felt more real and true to themselves... more than in any other ep from Rick's death pretty much. Yes, one of the pluses is that there were no Whisperers.
Oh and the 10th season feels so fresh without Maggie. I can finally breathe without the anger when she comes of on my screen. But it seems Carol is steping in her shoes... hope she will come to her senses but I semi understand that the lost of her son can fog her reason for a bit.
It's just fillers after fillers getting tired of this crap, little to no progression, only negan had some character progression other then that just boring a pure waste of 45m
This epsiode was actually pretty cool, love this new (hero)negan.
Bro we actually Stan Negan for that ngl
Filler... why not only do 8 or 6 episodes with good quality and good character development... so basically these are just fillers till we get to the mid season... too bad the 15 episode last season and the first one this season looked like new direction but now they are just trying to fill this with w/e stuff.. as usual.
Must of us are still watching because we are in season 10, and thats the reason. Remember Henry? Carlo/King son's and how it end up from him? do we need character development from the new ones... just let them hang around till you need to kill them... there are 1 or 2 that are actually regulars, focus on them... pfff
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this episode makes me sob so damn much
It was cool to see Negan as the hero for the second (second?) time while living in Alexandria, I dig that side of him a lot. I understand he knocked the brains out of TWO of my favorite characters, but he's slowly redeeming himself. He doesn't respect people who abuse/assault women, either violently or sexually - and that's something I can get behind.
AND if they follow the comics (spoilers ahead for anyone who hasn't read them, and possibly spoilers for future episodes), Negan left Alexandria to make his way into the Whisperer's camp. He's going to slice Alpha's head off and bring it back to either Michonne, Aaron, or Carol (he brought it back to Rick and Andrea in the books, but clearly those characters aren't on the show anymore).
I like the way that this season is going (with exception to episode 2, but they can't all be bangers).
Yeah.....the opening was weird....and I'm liking Negan now too
i dont know whats going on
One thing I’ve noticed about TWD in terms of plot is that many of the events that happen, especially in more recent seasons, are so very forced just to further the plot, and this episode is no different. Events are either random, very convenient, or both. That being said, this episode had several nice human moments (as well as some silly conflict) and the Negan storyline remains by far the most interesting one as he looks to finally be set free. Nice music choices too. 7.5/10
That was a Walking Dead episode right.
- "There are only fours beds in the infirmary!" whelp, guess we can't take care of all our wounded
- "ok yall, cut off the roof of these cars cause it'll be more western-like"... "but what if it rains?" "but what if them zambies come a knockin' won't they be able to... "STFU we doin this"
- guess the kid never had blood on their face even though he's been in a zombie apocalypse for the past 5 or more years
- PTSD guy is having a PTSD moment is getting annoying
- Maybe if you don't stand there being cool 'n shit you would have noticed the 2 zombies flanking you
- What happens when a tree falls and one guys hears it... a whole lot for nothing
- "They're a pack"... "where theres one there sure to be others"... no shit Einstein.
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