It was a great episode I loved it !! Can't wait for the next episode !!! ;)
What a triumph. To make a season penultimate episode so boring requires some kind of talent.
So no more talk huh? I seriously doubt that. This TV show just loves talkie talks.
Damn, that was something! A lot happened in this episode. I really like how Negan played it all out, patiently waiting for Simon to make a mistake and to take Dwight down right after. Poor Dwight, I think he will suffer a great deal.
Also, I think both Negan and Rick are right, it is too late for peace now, too much has happened on both ends. Maybe in a different era.
Things keep happening because they are in the script. Not because they make any sense.
Boring... Once again... Even Simon's death doesn't make this episode better.
Eugene is just the worst.
[6.0/10] I’ll often forgive the text of a television show if it gets the texture right. I tend to be more interested in what an episode means than potential plot inconsistencies. Storytelling on the screen is a magic trick, and that means I’m willing to tolerate a fair amount of sleight of hand. That’s exacerbated by fan approaches to stories that seem too left-brained or inclined toward puzzle-solving for my tastes, where rather than taking a work as they find it, viewers go on the hunt for plot holes and inconsistencies as opposed to considering what the film or show made them think or feel.
But that only goes so far. And even, if you’re like me, and can forgive details like most folks in the show not looking unimaginably filthy or constantly complaining about the smell in the ashes of civilization, it matters much more why characters are the way they are and act the way they act. What purpose does a scene serve in the story? What is the motivation behind a particular character’s action? And if the only answer a show can give is “because the plot, or the pre-finale table-setting exercise requires it,” then you’re in trouble.
That’s the sense I’m left with at the end of “Worth,” an episode that basically only exists to fill time and set a few things up the end of the season. Why do Daryl and Rosita capture Eugene, lose him when he runs like five feet ahead of them, and then miss him in a dirt pile? Because the show reminds you that he exists, but can’t pull the trigger on major events ahead of the grand finale, and so the plot requires it.
Why does Aaron starve himself in the woods to persuade the Oceansiders rather than realizing at some point that he should head back and regroup? If you’re being generous, you could say that he either has little to live for after the death of his partner and so is more willing to lay down his life for the greater good. But the truth seems closer to some combination of his survival man routine needing to underline the “anything to survive” theme the episode dabbles in, and because, you know, the plot requires it.
And how and why is Negan able to play thirteen-dimensional chess with everyone in his orbit, being able to play Simon, Dwight, and Gregory off one-another, knowing precisely when certain meetings will happen (while hiding behind a dumpster or something), being certain when and how his sabotaged “fake ass” plans will get to Rick & Co., and deciding who’ll lead the Saviors based on a fistfight with his second-in-command after being in a car crash and kidnapping? Say it with me now -- because the plot requires it.
If you strain, you can come up with mildly passable reasons for all of these things. Maybe the combination of projectile zombies and vomiting gave “save my neck at all costs” Eugene just enough grease to slip away. Maybe Aaron talked to Tara and realizes that a feat of endurance is the only way to get the Oceansiders’ sympathy. Maybe Negan really is both smart and cocky enough to play his lieutenants off one another perfectly and trust his rule to the fortunes of his own two fists.
But none of it feels natural. None of it feels believably motivated. And none of it feels like it could plausibly exist in a world where a T.V. show wasn’t moving the deck chairs around before a long-teased battle between the show’s good guys and bad guys.
Worse yet, when the show does try to convey those sorts of motivations, it’s in the most clunky, ham-handed fashion possible. Father Gabriel literally announces his emotions and impulses, basically guiding the audience through his internal conflict. Seth Gilliam is a talented enough actor that you can still feel the emotion of the scene, but the lines he’s given are downright atrocious.
The same goes for Ross Marquand as Aaron. Marquand gives a hell of a physical performance in the best scene of the episode, where Aaron, barely subsisting in the woods near Oceanside, is beset by walkers in the rain. Marquand communicates the sense of raw exhaustion in Aaron; his joy at the prospect of fresh rainwater; his desperation when fumbling for his knife, his peril when being attack by the soggy zombies who threaten him when he’s sapped of all but last reserves of his strength.
But then, when the Oceansiders come across him, he gives the lamest, least-inspiring halftime speech to try to convince them to join the fight. It’s another in the long line of Walking Dead quotes that feel like they’re stolen from eighth grade fan fiction, which Marquand delivers with all the conviction one can muster for such banalities, which turn out over the top. But what do you know, the show implies that it works to persuade the Oceansiders to take up the cause. Because it has to. Because the show is now less concerned with making sense than shepherding everyone to where they need to be on the board before the endgame comes.
The one element of the episode that does manage to feel well-motivated, that manages to feel like both payoff and prelude, are its bookends, which feature Rick and Negan hearing Carl’s last words to each of them.
Rick seems, if not changed, then at least encouraged by reading his son’s pleas. Maybe it’s just the use of those cinematic tricks -- the swell of the gentle music, the images of Michonne and Judith in the background, the idyllic light that pours over everything as Carl’s words spill out in voice over. (And kudos to Chandler Riggs, who may have become a solid actor right when the show decided to kill him off.) But whatever it is, The Walking Dead succeeds here where it fails everywhere else in the episode in generating an emotional moment with real meaning for where the story goes next.
And it’s contrasted with Negan’s reaction to Carl’s similar plea for peace, for a bigger world and a better tomorrow, to him. It’s admittedly a little convenient that Michonne’s able to get the message to him, but it’s forgivable. When Negan hear’s Carl’s words, he’s just had to kill one of his top lieutenants for a coup attempt with his (almost) bare hands, and realized another’s turned on him. He’s too far gone, too unyielding, to take Carl’s words to heart.
And that sets up the inevitably clash between Rick and his allies vs. Negan and the Saviors better than all the backbiting power plays and vomitous escapes and symbolic stands in the forest ever could. There is a fundamental difference between the two men at the center of this conflict. The show has tried to blur those lines, the show how Rick can be just as stubborn, brutal, or cruel, and how there is, at the very least, an imagined greater good that Negan believes himself to be serving.
But here it draws the fundamental differences between them, how Rick can still be moved, still be pulled back from the brink by someone he loved, and Negan is in too deep to ever remove his iron from the fire. The two embody the episode’s opposing themes of people who will do whatever it takes to survive, and people who believe there’s bigger, more important things, that transcend an individual life and may even be worth dying for.
That’s motivation. That’s storytelling. That’s the stuff that gives weight and meaning to the swords slicing through zombies and bullets going through bad guys. The Walking Dead can pull it off when it wants to, but too often, in episodes likes “Worth”, defaults to spinning its wheels in contrived situations that only exist because the story demands they do, and yet manage to weaken that story given how inessential and forced those developments seem.
Stay in the Grave Carl.... Can we end this yet??
Although Simon as a walker is pretty damn funny and deserving.
A superb dialogue-heavy episode with some great character development. Poor Simon... he was going to wreak havoc even with Negan dead, but still... I fear for Eugene and Dwight too!
The best part of this episode is its beginning and its ending. Rick, reading Carl's letter, finally have a change of heart after being touched by his son's vision of society. Meanwhile, Negan, already fell too deep--not to mention just finding out betrayal from his two top right-hand men--remains unmoved by Carl's plea for peace. Someone said that Carl plays more important role exactly after his death, and I agree: he acts as the bridge between the two spectrum (Rick and Negan).
Rick, who believes in the capacity of people to build things together; and Negan, who believes he has to tie those knots all by himself, being the one bigger than anyone else. As @andrewbloom said in his review, Walking Dead has attempted to show that Rick, too, can be cruel and unforgiving; while Negan is not a cartoon evil, he too has good intention. But this episode shows the contrast between the two through Carl.
That is the best part of this episode. The other sequences... are done rather very clunkily, especially the part with Aaron and Eugene. @AndrewBloom laid out this better than I could do, so I suggest you read his review here: https://trakt.tv/comments/178084
How many opportunity did they already had to kill Negan at point blank? Unbelievable... And the chitchat in front of the gate where everyone can here them, totally normal?
Oooo my God! Another episode where I had to fast forward... I mean, i really dont care about many of the characters like Eugene (I would love if they kill Eugene in the next episode!), priest guy, Aaron... even Simon... This season is average at best, and maybe in the season finale they can do something good, but i highly doubt! 4/10
I can’t believe I‘m still watching this. Every lame „twist“ was completely foreseeable. Just one more episode to endure and I really really hope all of these lazy a** characters get what they deserve: unemployment for the upcoming season. Negan, Eugene, Dwight, that dude I forget the name who‘s with the beach chicks, the beach chicks, Morgan, Ezekiel, the Priest..and and and..get rid of them, tabula rasa, focus on the chemistry between the original cast (or what’s left of them) and maybe I‘ll tune in next season.
lmfao, when eugene made himself vomit on rosita... he really did That™
Glad Dwight was trying to help but he still has a lot to do to earn redemption. However, I find Eugene just as bad even though he’s not a murderer. He is a coward and he’s obviously as bad as the other saviours. I also find everything out of his mouth, completely annoying. I can’t believe he gets so much screen time.
Boring episode for the most part.
Also, enough with Carl’s wishes/letters. Yes he was trying to be optimistic but he was a kid and they sometimes can be naive. Enough already.
I did like the scenes with Rosita and Daryl dragging Eugene around. However, Rosita talks like Eugene is a genius. Yes he’s intelligent but there are such things as books about ammunition-making and you know...libraries with books about lots of other things. Lol
They actually don’t need him once they figure out how to make bullets or see his process.
This season is the worst. Time to change the scriptwriters...!
I get it Carl died, but it was like ten episodes ago! Can someone kill Negan already? He's annoying!
damn, rip simon. fuck eugene
This Gregory. So weak. He doesn't deserve that name :D
the whole episode was lame but seeing The walking dead and Fear the walking dead characters together in one show was every fans dream!
Eugene is disgusting lol. Roseta was so pissed lol.
Gimple has ruined this show with pure mediocrity. Save yourselves
Good now kill them all so there won't be another season pls
OMG THEY DISCOVERED D and simon! I wasn't expecting the first. Damn.
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Wow! Negan just pulled a mastermind move here! And we right back where we started! Saviors have the advantage! Poor Dwight walks to his end now. I can't see him getting out of this one for sure! Negan want blood just as Simon actually now... Too bad for Simon! Well... The end is gonna be something to see.