@jordyep you're being way too nit-picky... they already explained that by removing elements from the past could have terrible ramifications... thats why at the end America's ass returned the stones... present Nebula is fine thus there is no reason to bring her back... and why would you want to save Pietro? that version of quicksilver should stay buried for ever...
sure its not a perfect movie... but it still did a great job for the culmination of the events over the past decade...
@rexton nitpicky? Seven years ago we all took issue with the supposed ‘plot hole’ of a broke billionaire returning to Gotham from a pit in the Middle East. Now granted, The Dark Knight Rises has a more serious tone, meaning that a Marvel film gets away with more nonsensical or unexplained stuff by nature. But the fact of the matter is: this plot and its mechanics fall apart as soon as you start to put any thought into it. That’s never a good thing, and certainly not a nitpick.
@jordyep that's exactly what nitpicking is... the plot is good, granted maybe not the perfect execution but still, it produced a good ending... its the same approach they took in the comics... I'm not sure if the, mechanics, as you've called them instead of physics, I'm not sure if they're the same as I haven't read all the comics, but perhaps they would provide a better alternative to the movie if thats what you're looking for...
plot and its mechanics fall apart as soon as you start to put any thought into it
but that is true for, more or less, any movie... if you're really that guy you can nitpick the shit out of this, just give it a 2nd or a 3rd view...
Endgame had a moment, in the first act, filled with fan service, when it basically made fun of itself, I remember Rhodey and Scott where listing time travel movies but Banner and Nebula tried to explain to them how it worked and they were just baffled :joy: I really liked that part... it reminded us that its not to be taken seriously...
@rexton In my review, I very carefully wrote that the plot doesn't make enough sense. Do I need it to make perfect sense? No, I'm not that guy, and case in point: I certainly wasn't expecting this to be The Godfather.
The whole point of science fiction/fantasy is that you as a writer can create your own set of rules. However, those rules have to make sense in the universe that you created, and more importantly, you shouldn't continuously break from them. Look at a similar film with a similar plot, that is in my opinion superior to this one: X-Men: Days of Future Past. Does its plot perfectly add up? Absolutely not.
Does its plot make enough sense in order for you as a viewer to not get distracted by it? Yes, it does.
And that's the whole point. Not even all of the lightheartedness in Endgame, or them taking the piss out of time travel shenanigans, doesn't give the film a pass for its own lack of sense. Frankly, I don't even think the writers cared that it didn't add up, they wanted to use it as a vehicle for interesting character interactions (Tony & his dad; Thor & his mom etc.), and like you said, it helped us with giving a satisfying ending. And that's all right, but it comes with a cost.
@jordyep You didn’t pay attention to the fact that the red vials used for time traveling are now all gone.
@gprivi So why not have Pym make some more in the present? Or have Cap steal some more in the past?
@jordyep Because they are the Avengers, and they don't need to mess with the past anymore. Have you seen the movies? Does Cap looks like someone who would go back and steal something as dangerous as that for the sake of it?
@gprivi Wouldn't you to save someone who died, if you had the possibility? I could list several characters that would do that in a heartbeat. Wanda would go back instantly if she could save Vision with it. Same with Hawkeye/Nat and Starlord/Gamora.
Also, is it really that dangerous? At the end you have a stable timeline in 2014 with no Thanos, so you can take anything from there without time 'messing back' too much.
Look, I really don't feel like getting into the details of this. In the end, I think you can conclude that the writers constructed time travel in such a convoluted way that it is really easy to find the inconsistencies and holes in it. I think it would've been smarter if they'd kept it more simple, which is usually what the MCU does best anyway.
@jordyep I love it when my friends rip me out of my perfectly fine timeline and drop me into their own because they miss a version of me that will never exist... I'm sure alternate Nat would just love to be taken away from her version of her friends to fill a hole in a universe she doesn't know that is years ahead of the one she knows.
That version of Time Travel is not a cure all, and I'm sure they don't intend to recreate it, not to mention the machine they used to do it is destroyed, and the mind that made it is gone. I wouldn't doubt he probably got rid of any data on how to recreate it, and I'm sure the very ever-cautious Banner is not going to go: 'Oh yeah, let's try to rebuild that.'
@finnquill Ah, but if future you would show up right now, saying that you can either come with him and live, or die in 1/2 years, what would you do?
I’m sure they don’t want to recreate it, but that’s only because the writing dictates so, not because it’s logical. Also, there is a time machine at the end, it’s the one they use to bring the stones back.
@jordyep Oh, right, you got me on that last point...
Also, if they can only jump into the timeline they created, then it would be a lie to say that anyone is going to die. That universe's Thanos is dead as well, not to mention that universe has two Steve Rogers now, one that appeared well in the past and lived a whole life there. It's not the same universe anymore by a long shot.
@jordyep The Watchers appear in the MCU film Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, thus "multiverses" are part of the MCU (aka several Disney+ shows in the future). Antman movies, quantum mechanics, quantum physics, quantum realm brings "time travel" to the MCU. The MCU continuity is fine and can always be further explained/explored in future films/shows.
On a side note, having watched Nova season 38, episodes 15-18 (2011) "The Fabric of the Cosmos", where topics like "What is Space?", "The Illusion of Time", "Quantum Leap", and "Universe or Multiverse?" are explored, made me enjoy this movie with an extra smile.
@emadrid I haven’t seen it. And you’re right, there are mechanics in place that can fix any continuity issues that exist now. But that’s all for the long term. I don’t expect the next Spider-Man movie to give us more of an explanation besides “well, everyone important just got dusted”, which to be fair is possible, but also lazy.
Review by JordyVIP 8BlockedParent2019-04-24T13:40:53Z— updated 2019-08-10T14:47:16Z
Damn, it must really suck to have been snapped while being on a plane.
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