@rexton angry are we? A pity you can't offer a single reason why this cliche fest was so good. No need to be offensive, pal, unless you are already out of reasons to offer.
@mbulgueroni I could not agree more. I loved the suspense they built up in the first half of the episode but as soon as the battle started, all logic in the writing flew out the door. It was so distracting. I literally had every thought that you posted here while watching the episode. I'm surprised it's being so well received. There were so many GLARING continuity issues especially with the characters getting surrounded, cut to another character, cut back to the surrounded character, oh look they cut a safe path for themselves. So effing stupid! If you're going to have every significant character accomplish the impossible, you can't just exclude the "How". This played like a Marvel movie to me, where there was no stakes and logic was just disregarded in lieu of nonsensical Hollywood moments. I couldn't rate the episode a 1, because I thoroughly enjoyed the build-up to the battle, but the battle itself was so, so disappointing. I was heated by the end of the episode, and that's never happened to me with GOT before. I hope we can just kind of forget this episode and finish off strong.
@mbulgueroni
1. how else would an army of horse riders fight if not in open field? would you put them on the walls?
2. the blizzard inhibited their visibility so they couldn't just blast away freely without hitting friendlies... and they were far from useless, it looked to me like they were doing plenty of damage before the storm... until that undead dragon appeared and had to be dealt with...
3+4. that was purely Arya's moment... the girl had to show off her sneaking skills, there's nothing wrong with that...
5. did you see her tackle those zombies in the library?
6. there are few characters left as it is... anymore and the show would've ended next week...
next time you think you're smart or special remember you're nothing compared to the people who worked to produce this series...
@rexton evading half a dozen zombies in a enclosed library seems quite different from thousands upon thousands of them in a mostly opened area with nowhere to hide, she quite literarelly needs a teleportation device to suddenly apear on top of the Night King without any of his men noticing.
Also I would put the dothraki on the sides of the army so when the dead come close they can trample them from the sides while getting supported with arrows and dragons, just marching them into darkness was wastefull for the sake of creating a scarry moment
@rexton
Thanks for being constructive in your new comment.
1. They knew all along they were going to be inevitably surrounded (just take a look at the war table on previous episode). You NEVER send cavalry charging when it can be easily surrounded, cavalry is strong at the front and very weak at the sides and back. So a better use for the dothraki would be keeping them on the sides for quick flanking maneuvers, attack and retreat, while the infantry in the middle takes the initial impact (BTW, braveheart does a better job in showing how to stop the first quick attack waves).
1.b. Charging in THE DARK not knowing when impact may occur. Set fire on the dothraki themselves not only their swords because you are killing them anyway.
2. When you have poor visibility you should refrain from friendly fire. EXCEPT if all undead are neatly aligned before a FLAMING DIVIDER between "them" and "us" and you could just dracarys them all to hell in some swift descents. Bot no. Let's not seize this opportunity and wait for them to do something.
3.4. The producers seemed to want so badly an Arya moment that they created a a videogame for her during the episode, because that is what it seems. Sneaking past an horde which was completely crazed in the beginning and much tamer and quiet while inside just does not compute.
5. We know Arya is the stealth master of the show, and she earned it. But unless she has an invisibility cloak this has gone too far, specially how she is able to descend from the sky (??) upon the Night King, past lots of undead people. I liked having her killing him, but I would thank them a lot if it was less flashy and a little more possible. Have her disguised as one of his undead bodyguards and I would be mostly ok with that.
6. All main characters were ridiculously trapped in impossible situations - trapped by hundreds of undead most of the time. Tired. Crying in despair, all flanks open in battle without backup. It's ok not wanting to kill them for the "great ending" but putting them in such heroic positions without any real loss shows a (plot) cowardice incompatible with what Game of Thrones was in the beginning and still is on the books (unless George decides to ruin it as well).
What attracted people to this show was that it was much more closer to reality than a Lord of the Rings fantasy in which all great battles end well. But now that such a huge public is captivated, it seems to me that producers took over writing and everything is acceptable in the name of better audience metrics. And what better way than fan service? As someone who greatly enjoyed this series, I am strongly disappointed by this season (7th was already rushed to some results), and I hope you can understand why I felt so let down while trying to see anything I could salvage in this episode.
@lish408 Thanks for sharing. Maybe my "one" is a little bit too emotional. I felt betrayed in what should be an unforgettable moment becoming something so boring and predictable. Maybe I'll go with a three or four... :-/
@mbulgueroni just have to say, "Rey's air saber trick" was done loooong before Rey existed. Far Cry 3 comes to mind, and I don't doubt that wasn't the first use, for goodness sake it's a fighting move, as if they're going to avoid using a practical as hell manoeuvre just because someone else did it first
@fergusoni I really bow to your arguments in this specific case, thanks! And for the sake of the series I was reminded Arya used that maneuver some seasons ago. Still, her neck should not be intact after first contact with the Night King IMO. Grab, kill, fast, like with Theon. But nor Superman should fly, right?
@mbulgueroni well now this looks more like a proper review unlike your first snarky comment that was oozing with arrogance... at least thats why I reacted so poorly earlier and I'm sorry for that... no mater what we saw in this episode I think we can agree at least it was still fun and enjoyable.
@rexton irony does not need to be read as arrogance all the time. Sometimes it is a good way to express criticism in a summed up way, although of course I am no comedian. The episode was fun indeed, more a Medieval Fantasy Hero kind of fun, but fun anyway. Let's see how they do with the next three episodes...
@mbulgueroni Pretty sure they sent the Dothraki first because they're useless inside of the walls. The probably also assumed that light cavalry would be able to retreat easily after skirmishing
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"Send the dothraki first since they are barbarians"
"Dragons are our heavy artillery let's keep them flying in circles without doing NOTHING for say 2/3 of the battle. Even if they all stop before a flaming trench and sit there nearly aligned for tenths of minutes. We can not win the easy way this must be EPIC"
"It's a massive invasion of Savage, quick and merciless undead but we like to walk orderly and calmly in libraries"
"By the way, libraries are still dead silent while people are being ripped to shreds outside"
"Hey, look, Arya slipped past 4.000 undead and learned Rey's air saber trick"
"Every major character gets to live even after being surrounded by dead. (jorah and theon were already half dead - oh yeah, theon, seems Arya waited in the shadows while you were impalled too. Go team.".