@iamdwg Yeah for me it could have as well been called "boring the movie" overly long took me 3 attempts to watch it all.
@iamdwg its a big part of ur country History, that´s the plot. but i do know what u mean. all we need is to compare to other mob movies and see what´s missing here. i even liked Miller´s Crossing more.
@pedro A big part of our country's history...is the setting. Lol. I liked Road to Perdition better personally.
Im from iran...in my country all of people likes this movie ...This Is Movie.This Is Art. Fuck Popcorn Movies (Avengers.Spiderman and ....)
@xsameri some superhero films are art...some aren't. Same with practically every other genre. I don't discriminate and give every film I watch the benefit of the doubt. A film can still be artful (and I dont disagree with you. The Irishman is art) and also have a strong narrative. It doesnt have to be one or the other...and I might take this too literally...but you can eat popcorn at any movie, so I don't understand that term.
@iamdwg stupid you are so stupif
@nachomr Maybe, but at least I can spell.
@iamdwg well if your most watched movie is Civil War, this film isn't on your level of comprehension. It's directed in the same vein as Fargo or Taxi Driver. It's a cinematic experience, not a theme park ride like MCU movies are.
@iamdwg I liked the movie, but I love your review. I really get your review. I think it's like that as well, but it didn't make me dislike the movie.
@iamdwg Agree 100%, you hit the nail on the head. I love Martin Scorsese movies and these actors, I mean what a line up! But I just never felt invested in the story, or the characters at all.
@xaliber well pseudo-intellectuals like yourself are quite pitiful when you go to lengths such as stalking the profiles of others with whom you disagree for the sole purpose of passing judgment or forming a supposedly humiliating comment. This movie is not directed in any remotely resemblant vein of that of Taxi Driver or Fargo, they're so far apart that the only thing they have in common is some of the cast - tv show in the case of Fargo. Also, that lame line that you borrowed from Scorsese, or should I say, Ricky Gervais, that's rich coming from you. This movie has more CGI than all MCU movies combined.
@ner0p to take your comment a bit more seriously, a better comparison is Casino or Fargo (I insist on this), because I'm willing to bet this @iamdwg guy will say the exact same thing about them ("there is no plot, only a main character"). The point about MCU being a theme park is their standard five act plot structure with pop corn spectacle, not about CGI.
@xaliber I can't speak about someone else, but personally I liked Fargo. As for Casino, I may have watched it years ago but I don't remember it so I can't speak to that one. Anyway, I understand your point about the unorthodox plot structure not being necessarily the foundation of a movie, and I do appreciate both Fargo and The Irishman, but I didn't really enjoy The Irishman nearly as I did Fargo, not sure what the technicality behind it is, but that doesn't make any difference any way.
I also did catch your point about MCU films, I just didn't agree that you should use that as an argument over one's preference or influence towards another's movie critique; especially someone who, apparently, has little over 500 movie/tv review videos (https://trakt.tv/shows/interpreting-the-stars). Doesn't make his opinion any more worthful, but doesn't make it any worthless either.
@iamdwg Well, I can understand not liking it. It is not for everyone. But if you are looking for a likeable MC in a Scorcese movie, I have bad news for you. Your definition of plot is all wrong too. What Scorcese is telling here is a hollywood (netflix *cough) version of the REAL history of Frank Sheeran, Hoffa, Bufalino etc. All those people are or were alive at some point and some events in the movie actually happened. Well, this isn`t exactly new with Scorcese, most of his movies are like that.
The real difference between this movie and all his other movies is that this one doesnt glorify the MC. Remember Cassino? Or better yet, GoodFellas? I mean, all these mafia people are in the MAFIA. I dont know about you, but I feel really icky if they make such characters as likeable or rootable. They are criminals, that doesnt mean they shouldnt convey a sense of understanding of his motivations, but likeable and rootable are things I like on actual good MCs like the cops that arrested those people.
@jlucascaraujo My definition of plot is based around a storytelling theory called Dramatica that states a story represents a problem that somebody’s mind is trying to fix - and that every character serves a function in that problem through various roles. Protagonist, main character, influence character, antagonist, contagonist, etc. The problem with the Irishman is there is no OVERARCHING problem that needs to be solved, therefore, nobody can solve it or even drive the plot forward. And because of that, nobody is written to be diametrically opposed to them. It’s an empty story. A long empty story
@iamdwg That is an interesting perspective that is totally different from what I enjoyed from this movie. But it still is a perspective, and I was wrong of me to call it a definition. As we know, there isn`t only one way to make a plot enjoyable in a movie.
What I liked about it is that is similar to what I think an old person goes through remembering the past, that way it wouldnt have that type of plot. s House talking with the caretaker about his daughter and about the past. It was melancholic in the way I think we all will be like when we (if we) reach that age. The movie keeps going back to the past and going forward to the "present" of Frank driving Buffalino. That way we get their story together and when the ending comes you don`t get that surprised.
Specially the ending, the MC in the Old Folk
IT is different from every other Scorcese movie out there, but it still very similar at the same time.
But it is still a Scorcese movie as far as I can remember. It feels a slower (of course, look at the runtime) of Casino or even The Wolf of Wall Street. All these plots don`t have that problem from Dramatica. Because it is history, and all the MCs plots from Scorcese movies are based on real life. That way their motivations are pretty real and honest. They are all mafia man, they are in there because they are greedy. The only real antagonist is themselves, and the barely mentioned cops that arrest them.
Take The Wolf Of Wall Street as an example, what is the problem from that movie? who is the antagonist? There is none, at least on the level of The Irishman there is none. It is basically just a tale of a guy that took too much cocaine and got rich scheming a bunch of people. Of course, if you can explain what differentiates the plot of this movie with the plot of The Irishman Id like to read. Seems like could be a lot more to learn about this. What I mean is: could we apply the Dramatica to other Scorcese Films? If not, that means that a movie doesnt need that type of plot to have a story. Specially since the story is literally (with flair) from history.
@iamdwg This isn't what every story should be and you should at all cost refrain to base your understanding of art on another person's point of view on the subject, no matter how credible that person is. How art should be made can't be defined and people trying to do it are just thinking of directives, no rules. If we start applying rules to how we make art, we destroy art.
That being said, The Irishman is a cinematic adaptation of a true story. Judging the story structure like it's a fiction doesn't really make a lot of sense. The goal of this movie is, by all mean, to tell you the story of a man, a slice of life on the corrupted world of the mob.
Like I said, it's really impossible to define how art should be, but to me it serve at the end of the day one purpose: teaching us something, be it through feeling, or simple information. This movie is aiming to teach us pure information on what happened to these people, and by teaching us that we can also learn a lot of other informations: the mob world, how influent they are, how the US were during that period of time, but also how could it feel to grow old in a world like that, and make us feel things about how the protagonist treated his family, other people, and I could go on and on. Saying it's empty is just wrong. This isn't a hero's journey, this is a retelling of a true story.
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....I didn't like it.
There was no plot.
There was no literary protagonist. There IS a main character, though.
When I say plot, I mean an objective that the protagonist is after from the beginning; Some kind of imbalance that they sense needs to be rectified or corrected. When there is no objective, there is no obstacles in their way, either. This movie is 3.5 hours of, just, things that happen and it never clues the audience in on the endgame...so there's also hardly any climax, either. Its just, this happens, then that, then that, then that...with characters you can't really call "likeable" or "rootable" I wouldn't have cared if DeNiro died at any given moment in the film because I couldn't connect with him.