Shout by Marc Friedolin

His Dark Materials 2019

As someone who hasn't read the book(s) I get the feeling, that there is information missing.

There are reactions in certain scenes where I don't understand what gets the characters so excited. They act like its obvious, while it isn't for the unknowing viewer.
I have the suspicion, that there is a section in the book explaining the reaction which wasn't translated in the show sometimes.

I don't know if its true, but are the daemons all female? If so, I hope it gets explained why that is (unless I missed it).

Aside from that, great cast, great storytelling and great characters so far - Although I somehow love Marisa best so far, cunning and evil - my kind of woman :)

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@player8472 As someone who did read the books, I also feel like there's something missing. I often tell myself that someone who hasn't read them would not really understand parts of the show (like why are deamons so important). Also, deamons are not all female. Lyra's deamon for instance is a male.

@player8472 The part about the genders does get explained in the books, for example. "Usually" the daemon is the opposite gender than their human. However, there are 'peculiar' (as the book calls it) cases where they share a gender.

@phfora Well, the Sex of Lyras daemon isn't discussed and I wasn't able to dig up who spoke her/him.

But he/she definitely sounds female to me (although not easy to hear considering that its supposed to be a childs voice....).
To me all the daemons which spoke at least sounded female.

Thx for the clarification though, also thx to @psychotickitten

@player8472 pan sounds female to you? That's weird.

@player8472 The daemon is the opposite gender of the human that it's attached to.

@guenguer The voice, not the name.

@player8472 usually the daemons are of the opposite sex to the owners

@player8472 men’s daemons are female, women’s daemons are male

@player8472 There are definitely things you need to read the books to understand, or get straight away. Daemons are usually the opposite gender to their human. Pan, Lyra's daemon, is actually a boy, and Salcilia, Roger's daemon, is female (Lord Asriel's is also female). However, it's explained in the book that rarely a daemon can be the same gender. One of the Gyptians in the show has a male bird daemon even though he is a man. It's not explained in so many words in the show but he also has a male daemon in the book.

It isn't explicitly stated as to why, but I have always thought it might be something to do with sexuality. However I'm not really sure, and it could just be that some daemons are the same gender as their human for no apparent reason.

@player8472 from what i've been told, the daemons are the "opposite" of their humans, in a way that together they reach a balance. so with gender is the same, a man gets a female daemon. pan is a male because lyra is a girl, etc.
my friend who has read the book told me that there really are important information that are missing from the show, for example that marisa's daemon is a very rare one, and he is the only one that doesn't speak.
i hope these things get better "translation" in the next season ;)

@phfora As someone who just read the books ( just finished The Secret Commonwealth, and it may be one of my favorite book series of all time) I am finally going to give this show another chance!

@toastedzen Would you recommend reading them in the order they were published, or in the order they timewise relates to each other?
Any thoughts in this regard is welcomed :)

@fishinabottle Hmmm this depends on the experience you want from it I suppose. The first book in the Book of Dust trilogy does have some prequel elements but they seem to be in the form of flashbacks more than the whole book being a prequel, and the later trilogy is a different style than the first trilogy, if only slightly, because authors change and grow in their writing style as their career goes along. I think maybe for the first read release order is the way to go, at least it was for me, and maybe on second and third reads I will change it up some? But I have only read them once so far!

@player8472 If I recall correctly, the dæmons' gender is opposite to their human's, with a few exceptions.

@player8472 it's probably because they took it as people read or will read the books and most likely watched the movie.

As for the Daemons question, it's explained in the books that in most cases Daemons are born with the opposite gender to their pairing human (although there are exceptions).

@player8472 I don’t think Lyra’s daemon Pan is female...

@player8472 The show is simply too compressed for the massive amount of lore the story has. Ofc a year and a half passed from your comment so my advice might come really over time (and for sure it's cheap), but I really suggest you to read the books, show's good but the books are more involving, it's just not the perfect media for it!

@player8472 Quite a few of the daemons are masculine - including Pan, when he settles to his final shape. The daemon is the opposite sex to the character.

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