Doctor Who 2024

The one time that I comment on this platform, I get my comment deleted lol. That's fine, I was just complaining about TMDB's choice of considering the 2005-2022 and 2023-ongoing series as two separate series, but it seems the BBC too treats them separately. Maybe, maybe, it could be that it's now a co-production BBC-Disney and the big cheeses at the Old Girl want to underscore that.

I am curious what was the answer you wanted to give me, hope this time our comments will stay long enough to have a conversation :)

@ana993 I agree it shouldn't be a duplicate. I recall hearing one year that Trakt gets a lot of the information from TMDB then other sources. Might of changed but looks like this is the case here. You can report shows as being incorrect and a duplicate (bottom left). I've done this for you. No idea how prompt they are at fixing data, I did see Trakt was after a new admin sometime so might be slow.

@ana993 Officially, S14 is actually S01 of a new "Doctor Who" run. Russell T Davies announced this about a month ago (https://reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/17lbz5s/yes_were_calling_it_season_one_rtd_on_ncuti/.

How that will shake out for sites and services that track the show has yet to fully shake out. The wikia, IMDb, and Reelgood are still calling it S14. Trakt has decided to go with RTD and Disney+.

The bigger problem with "Doctor Who" on Trakt is that all the seasonal specials — vital to the overall narrative — are dumped into a "season" of "Specials" that's over 200 "episodes" and includes everything from 2-minute episode prequels to DVD making-of shorts, to "The Day of the Doctor." Only a super-fan can tweeze out which of those 200 "specials" are part of the narrative, let alone what order they go in.

@ana993 It probably got deleted bc it's not about the content, but about the organization--which Trakt has no control over. Got to TMDB and post this comment, get it off my Trakt reviews page.

As it has been extensively discussed in TMDB, the BBC has two separate websites for the 2005 show and the 2023/2024 one: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0 and https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0gglvqn. This is the most authoritative statement we're going to get for now. I don't love it either, but it's their show and what they say, goes.

Probably gonna get named Doctor Who (2023) at some point. It will (hopefully) clean up the mess in the special numbering.

@sannita Yeah, I still don't know why it was deleted. Anyway, the BBC does apparently treat them as separate shows, never mind it makes no sense. I bet it's all because of Disney Plus. They probably don't want to scare of potential new fans by showing Season 14, so they went with Season 1 instead even though the newcomers would still be completely lost. They made a complete mess. The IMDB and TVDB still treat them as the same show like it should be, so I guess our own collection can be properly organized, but here on Trakt will have to keep them separate.

@tangata-rereke Thanks, though I don't think that will change anything. Trakt pulls data exclusively from TMDB if I'm not mistaken and TMDB decided to follow the rebranding thing, even though this issue was reported to them by multiple users.

@robio100 Yes, I saw the announcement. He can call it whatever he wants, it still doesn't change the fact that is Season 14 of the same show and can't be watched without previous knowledge. They are doing this because of Disney Plus.

@robio100 just for the record, plex goes with the disney+ route too.

@ana993 "Doctor Who" can definitely be watched without prior knowledge from many jumping-off points, including "The Eleventh Hour" and "The Pilot." The upcoming Xmas special will definitely be one of those. "The Star Beast" made an (admittedly ham-fisted) effort to bring new viewers up to speed as well.

Yes, the renumbering is almost certainly for Disney, and that makes 100% sense. When someones add a show they've never seen to a queue on a streaming service, if it queues up S14, the very first thing they're going to do is look for S01, and when they don't find it, they are orders of magnitude less likely to watch. Starting over with S01 is a survival strategy, and shouldn't make any difference to fans who have gotten used to Classic, Movie, NuWho, Big Finish, etc., not to mention the constantly-shifting count of incarnations the Doctor has had (Meta-Crisis, War, Fugitive, etc.). It's just a number.

The problem comes with tracking the show, and doing so well requires someone who is a fan to oversee it — which is clearly not happening at TMDB or Trakt.

The only watch-list app/site/service that seems to be making an effort is Reelgood, which at the moment is calling the new content S14 (https://reelgood.com/show/doctor-who-2005). Reelgood is also the only tracker that has seasonal specials properly ordered at the beginnings and ends of seasons, instead of sequestered off as their own thing.

@sebbejohansson I can't even find 2023 "Doctor Who" on Plex. Search results turn up on 1963 and 2005, which only goes up through "Flux," and doesn't include any specials.
https://i.imgur.com/mFsn3W1.png

@ana993 still don't get it how to find the new season 14 on trakt?

@robio100 Interesting. Im not sure when it changed in my local version, but it is now showing it as season 14 and the specials showing correctly.
https://i.imgur.com/Nf50ioz.png

@indy911 You can't. Trakt pulls data from TMDB which is unfortunate in this case because TMDB marks Season 14 as Season 1 of a "new show". TVDB and IMDB marks it as S14, but Trakt doesn't use those, so they are shown as two separate shows here. This is S14 https://trakt.tv/shows/doctor-who-213360/seasons/1.

Ahaa, omg so stupid. Thank you so much @ana993 appreciate it :blush:

@ana993 ah now it all makes sense i have been wondering why on here it still show as season 13 and not 14 but it was moved as seperate show, thats just stupid

@ana993 Disney pumped money into the production and has the broadcast rights outside the UK. for marketing purposes it's easier to market a new Disney+ show as a 'new show'. the easiest way to do that is by numbering it as "Season 1". incidentally when the BBC resurrected the show in 2015 they also opted to renumber the show as "Season 1" as opposed to "Season 27" which is what it technically was in 2015

Update Correction: The "Specials" have NO CORRECT filenames on any other site than BBCs own, You'd think the makers of the show know what to call the episodes, after All. The 4 new episodes airing in 2023 are specials, essentially pre-Season 14 Episode 01 of Doctor Who (2005) - yes its frustrating, but so is Trakt/TMDB having 199 episodes in the "Specials" season (not including the new 4) - As there is, at time of writing, no air date for the actual Doctor Who (2005) S14E01 or Doctor Who (2023) S01E01 its unclear where these new episodes sit in the naming protocol, and quite frankly, who cares?

source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gv87pn/doctor-who-2023-trailer-doctor-who-christmas-special

@ana993 So the reason I could find was that TMDB decided to follow how it was done on BBC's website and Disney+ maybe, But I agree it makes no sense, and it breaks a whole bunch of stuff.
And yes TVDB removed the Doctor Who 2023 new show so that's basically the only way to Fix it in Media servers like Plex, Jellyfin, Emby etc.
I have no clue how it's going to synchronise and scrobble with Trakt though and could end up missing all the episodes you playback via Plex.

Update: Here's the link that TMDB is using as their source for this decision.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0gglvqn/episodes/guide

@ana993 it really does make no sense but it's by a different studio apparently so maybe that's the reason? It's also not called "Doctor Who 2005" anymore but just "Doctor Who". It's still really confusing because it's like you say, a direct continuation of season 13 but as this whole stuff is probably 99% automatic I guess those are reasons the backend system split them up...

But there's a report button to the left here. it says "REPORT SHOW". just click that and complain that it is a continuation of https://trakt.tv/shows/doctor-who-2005 and they might fix it. I don't expect them to read all comments so just writing it in a comment is probably not gonna help.

@ana993 tmdb does similar, and worse, shit to anime for years :person_shrugging_tone1:♂

@tangata-rereke trakt is solely tmdb, a fact anime fans complaining a lot about. Simkl for example uses tvdb for movies and shows and AniDB for anime in its service.

Trakt says: nah, it's not possible to add another database. Weird, they did it when they were still using tmdb and tvdb.