Seriously sounds like you didn't like the movie before you saw it. Why waste the money if you didn't WANT to enjoy it? Lexs multiple personalities were awesome! Lexs needs Superman out of his way. Same as always. Yes we do care about the superheroes fighting, that's the only reason I bought a ticket, duh! Wow I can't believe that is actually in your review. It's the whole point. Many instances of superman have a scar. How the heck did Superman's skin get scarred? This is the first time we get to see how that scar came to be. It was always said that Batman did it. It was amazing to see Batman hold down Supes and straight up slice him across the face, like he was short on some money or something. Calling for your mother is nothing new when your starring at mortality, you obviously missed the metaphor. And that didn't "stop" Batman, just paused him, it was Lois Lane, ironically, saving Superman. Think about it, the Superman, we all feel that way at sometime, starring at his own mortality, calling for your mamma, he called for his momma, like a little bitch! As we all will do when it's our time. I'm sorry that is some really deep, deep sugar honey iced tea. If you watch the latest DC cartoon, Robin bitch-makes Superman, it's freaking awesome. This Robin is the son of Batman.
Also you pointed out the contrast of the characters. Superman is full of emotion, but yet a robot, while Batman is an emotionless vigilante. Both have internal conflict as well as the conflict with each other. But you may have missed the Urban Bible belt vs the Rich Liberal undertone that is Superman vs Batman. That is why we care. Also I care because I had thousands of arguments that Batman couldn't beat Superman, and boy was I dead wrong on that one, dating all the way back to the early 80s. It's Duke vs Kentucky, fundamental basketball vs and1 athletic ball. It's Trump vs Sanders\Clinton. Not good vs evil, but ideals vs morals.
You wasted time by mentioning Aquaman holding his breath, news flash, it's really a human named Jason Mamoa, he does actually breath air. So who cares if the actor playing the most useless superhero ever, has to hold his breath underwater. That is something that I actually don't care about, but for some reason you find it more interesting than the point of the movie. I was utterly upset that there was an Aquaman. Would much rather see Martian Manhunter, Green Latern or Hawkman\girl, but Beast Boy would be awesome, even though he isn't Justice League. You mentioned Marvel, they drop tons of cameos all over the place, especially after the credits. I saw nothing wrong with seeing a glimpse of Flash, Aquaman, and I think that was Steel. But the whole point of that scene was really to show that Batman now knew about Wonder Woman. And that Lex has studied Superman and Batman as well. On that subject, how the heck would they know each other's identity? They just met, there are millions of people in the world. They hadn't even met as heroes face to face by that point.
Dialogue was kinda iffy, but I get it, kinda vanilla... Miss America type stuff. But when Batman said "Shit!" I dam near lost my mind! I was so glued to the screen cause it's like that was the starting point for the best of the movie. Ww's line about killing others not from this planet, and Superman's look, was the best of the movie. That line gave a "beginning of the JL" feeling.
Overall I simply can't understand why some dislike this movie so much. Batman getting shot in the head point blank was worth the ticket price, alone. But it felt like as I read more of your review that it really didn't matter what was in the movie, people were lining up to hate. Its not for everyone, hey I hated my beloved Transformers movies, sounds wierd huh? Love Transformers, hate all 4 live action movies, well #2, The Fallen was kinda cool. I hated Jurrasic Park, so I understand, some movies are just meant for some audiences.
@Blakblu I don't know why it sounds like that to you, but I assure you that wasn't the case. This movie was one of my most anticipated movies of 2016. The premise of Batman and Superman appearing on big screen together for the first time and the clash of their different view points fascinated (and still fascinates) me, and the first trailer they dropped really amped up the hype for me personally. But like I said the second trailer was horrible, and it marked the beginning of one giant shitstorm, imo. But I couldn't judge the movie by the promo campaign or even by the negative critics reviews, so I've waited to see it for myself and only then form my opinion. My expectations were extremely lowered so I legit thought I'm gonna enjoy myself watching this, because, like I said to myself, surely it can't be as bad as rotten tomatoes score or some especially vehement haters seem to imply. So no, I didn't go into this with a negative default setting. I love superheroes and superhero movies, DC or Marvel - doesn't matter, just give me quality. So I didn't want B v S to fail. But don't blame me for pointing out the fact that it did. I admit I judge it harsher than I would if it was just any other movie. But that's because its failure does matter to me and because it's simply not your average film, it's a huge and important part of geek culture and superhero history, and it's fucked up how disgraceful, disrespectful of the characters and just all around disappointing it ended up being. I took it to heart as any offended fan would.
Saying that Lex is supposed to hate Superman and it's a well known fact about him as a comic book character goesn't give his cinematic version any motivation. He acted too personally for someone with no history with our Man of steel, and he's no Joker to get off on chaos and having a foil. It felt like he's been put there just to serve the role of a villain, because every superhero movie needs one. They could have given him something, anything really. Fucking hell I hated the Mandarin plot twist in Iron man 3, but I'll take the "I've pretended to be a terrorist so I won't go to jail for showing my dick" over no reasoning at all. And I did notice the differences between Batman and Superman, I also noticed them being out of character. Superman is fucking dead inside, Batman wishes he was. I can dig the latter, I almost could, but they should have given us the solo Batman movie first, to see that downfall, that corruption. But no one cared, Snyder decided to rush it and milk the audience as soon as possible. He probably knew he can't do more controversial stand alones like Man of steel, and failing with them would have tarnished the fame of B v S and resulted in a complete box office disaster. Or I don't know, he desperately wanted to buy an island and was short on money. Or maybe Marvel paid him off to destroy DC, that's what rabid fans think Marvel is doing anyway. By the way a post credit scene with an Easter egg or an appearance of secondary characters after the main course and as an appetiser for things to come can't be compared to jamming big important characters that will be the centers of their own movies inside another movie that has nothing to do with them. And as a collection of short clips from the Internet? With the pre-designed on-the-nose icons?? Cheap and idiotic. It was almost like they had including them on their bucket list and was just checking in the boxes. No respect. And seriously man? Momoa was holding his breath underwater? You think the filming crew went to the bottom of the ocean to shoot that scene? They either used CGI or I don't know dunked him in a kiddie pool, either way it didn't work. If it was CGI, he shouldn't have had any problems breathing. If it wasn't, why the fuck not?? And I'm not mad about them not knowing each other' identities, I'm mad about that little detail completely robbing us off of the tension that was supposed to be between them. They should have founded a way for them to get "unmasked", add some layers to that mindless brawl. I love action fights but if it's all there is its place is on the YouTube, not in theatres. And don't you even try to convince me you were satisfied with the reason of them fighting. Because it wasn't their differences that you praise. It was a banal crude blackmail trick performed by Lex, nothing more. And the Martha bit is stupid, you can't seriously say otherwise. I described why exactly. It wasn't believable, it wasn't flowing, it was stunted and weird and seemed to be placed there to wrap up the battle. It wasn't even the deus ex machina of Doomsday, just good old bullshit. But thank god you at least admit the dialogues were horrible. I only wish they didn't even try to joke, it felt so forced and misplaced. Although the best joke is undeniably the fact that the best lines are all in the trailers. Fucking Snyder.
Gotta say I don't think you're wrong loving the movie. To each their own. And anyone knows what it's like to love things despite of their flaws. I just pointed the ones I've found. I hated the movie but I'm not a hater, if that makes sense. I just really wanted to love it but couldn't, so I shared by massive disappointment. It's alright that you don't agree and I get everything you're saying, but I stand by my original statements. My only regret is that because of so many blind fans and ignorant casual viewers (and some lucky bastards such as yourself that managed to get satisfied with what they were given) swallowed this shit without chocking, which means the DCEU won't be restarted and done properly. Who even makes Batman and Superman' stand off the focal point of the second movie of a franchise? It could have been so much better. We could have had it all with just some patience.
Well shit, this is long.
Review by chairBlockedParentSpoilers2016-04-02T17:19:22Z
So, I’ve had my doubts about this since the infamous Doomsday trailer, but I wasn’t focusing on them, because I wanted to give the movie the benefit of the doubt. I’ve watched some spoiler free reviews that voiced by exact concerns, but mostly people were not passionately hating on the movie but saying that it was okay, passable. So I went into it with significantly lowered expectations but with naive hopes to be pleasantly surprised. And damn, was this movie bad. Like I’ve never actually seen more scattered, boring, messy and undeserving of its title or the hype around it superhero movie in my life. To be fair, I’ve never seen that horrible Fantastic 4 reboot, but pretty sure I’d put them close.
The party conversation we’ve all seen in the trailer is literally the only fucking conversation between Batman and Superman prior them butting heads. And it completely lacks the expected tension because, wait for it, they don’t even know each other's secret identities like the trailer made us idiots to believe. They are just dudes at a party.
The desert nightmare sequence holds no real relevance to the plot. It’s obviously just a blatant excuse for batman to kick some ass. Although I've enjoyed the fighting style and the visuality (and physicality) of it, very reminiscent of the Batman Arkham City I’m currently playing. The following Flash cameo was kinda awkward? And so was the Flash himself. (Though not even half as awkward as seeing Aquaman clearly holding his breath underwater.)
The placement of so many Justice League’ members as side characters or in small cameos is butchering and disrespecting them from the get go. Do we care for them with no build up? Is it right to see them in passing before their respectable movies? No fucking way.
Speaking of caring. Do we actually care for the Batman and Superman themselves and the feud between them? Is anyone seriously satisfied by them fighting because of Luthor’s jokeresque plan instead of their moral differences? Also isn’t Lex supposed to be a sane clever businessman and not a hysterical screechy chaotic clown that has zero believable reasoning behind him hating Superman - a person he had no history or opposing goals with whatsoever - so hard he orchestrates an explosion and create an indestructible monster from his blood (???) in order to defeat him; and everyone fucking acts like his psychotic behaviour is to be expected.
Even the Bats vs Sups fight that was supposed to be the core of this movie isn’t that good. They pummel each other (mostly Batman pummels Superman, let’s be fair), but, like I said, why should we fucking care? They are no one to each other, and frankly they are no one to us. These versions of Superman and Batman haven’t earned the audience rooting for them. I love the idea of those two larger than life characters fighting each other, but damn I hate the execution.
Superman is a fucking emotionless robot; Batman is a ragged killing machine. One of those concepts kinda works.
Why would Superman call his mother Martha… Come oooon...
And that’s what stopped Batman? Lots of people have that name. If Luthor's mom was named Martha, would they all the heroes shake hands with him?
“Why would you say that name??!!” barks Batman for the millionth time. What an asshat. The first time Lois’ interference was welcome.
People say the movie is dark - some pose it as a flow, others are convinced it’s a good thing and mostly bring up Marvel into their argument, like there’s no shades of darkness or any tone for that matter, like there are just those two extremities, and obviously those who claim this movie is too dark wanted a pop-corn flick (not saying all Marvel movies are all that, not at all). In my opinion this film is not necessary dark, but it is certainly lifeless.
The soundtrack is more off-putting than Lex’s hair. I cheered when Superman died.
I honestly never expected this to be as easy to follow, but all over the place and insufferably boring as it was. Anyone who isn’t absolutely stupid could have written the script for this, the plot is so shallow and the dialogues bad. The movie isn’t intelligent not it is creative. And neither it’s passionate. Definitely wasn’t written by a fan of comic books or at least of their heroes. This movie is just a dumb money maker. And because of that and the false hype it created it should absolutely fail. It won’t though, because people are dumb.