The Incredible Hulk is by far the weakest link in the Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise thus far for the five films that were released before The Avengers. This new version of the Hulk compared to the previous Hulk film that was released in 2003 (with Eric Bana as the lead and directed by Ang Lee) had a much darker and deeper tone to the story. By comparison between both Hulk films, The Incredible Hulk (2008) was a big improvement over The Hulk (2003). The story line and action scenes along with the directing of the 2008 Incredible Hulk film were all superior to the 2003 Hulk film which is a step in the right direction. Comparing The Incredible Hulk to the other four Marvel movies pre-The Avengers is a different story. Overall the story line and casting failed. Even though it was better than the 2003 film, it was still a bit hard to keep my interest going through the film. Also even though Norton is a brilliant actor I had a hard time believing he could be Bruce Banner, and the same could be said for Tyler as Betty Ross. The only people who I thought did their roles well were the villains (Roth, Hurt, and Nelson). Besides the darker tone in this film I thought the action scenes were top-notch; that finale climax fight scene was epic. Other than that, The Incredible Hulk just an OK film not as great as the other Avenger franchise films.
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I'm not sure The Incredible Hulk had been picked for a rewatch if it hadn't been a part of the MCU. It's a bit too "uneven" for that, but since it's a part of the MCU, here we are.
What I said in the review from 2016 still stands, The Incredible Hulk doesn't really fit in with the MCU. There are no funny one-liners and there is really no tie in with the rest of the MCU apart from Banner/Hulk. It doesn't work as an origin story either, as we get introduced to all these characters with little to no back story and then asked to care for them. Both Norton and Tyler do a good enough job with what little they had to work with, but it still wasn't enough to lift this one all that much.
One thing though...Rewatching this one made me appreciate the fact that Norton turned down the role for Avengers, as I think having him as Banner would have changed everything rather drastically.
Anyway...if you want to see everything Marvel, The Incredible Hulk has its place, but it's not the best outing in the MCU, that's for sure. The first half is good enough to give it a pass...barely.
THE WACPINE OF ‘THE INCREDIBLE HULK’
WRITING: 4
ATMOSPHERE: 5
CHARACTERS: 6
PRODUCTION: 6
INTRIGUE: 5
NOVELTY: 3
ENJOYMENT: 6
Interestingly, The Incredible Hulk skips the origin story (or rather, retells it quickly over the opening credits) and throws us straight into Bruce Banner's life as a recluse, hiding from the world. Most of the film centres on Bruce's attempt to escape the US government who want to turn him into a superweapon. He unwillingly has to face the dangers placed in front of him, which makes him a tragic, yet incredibly dangerous character. The film depicts this difficult dimension of Banner's life convincingly, while for once depicting the US government as the baddies instead of some foreign force.
The overall plot is predictable and very formulaic, which just goes to show that Disney didn't quite have an idea as to where to go with the franchise at this point. It takes a weird King Kong idea and gives it a Marvel twist. It's not very different from the troubled Ang Lee version from 2003, either.
Another weakness is how the film builds up to the entrance of Abomination as the main villain out of nowhere, after mainly focusing on Bruce's attempts to avert the US military. This turns the film's final act into a generic battle of the beasts.
Director Louis Leterrier teases us with minor glimpses of the beast by setting the action in dark and small spaces, a decision that gives the first half of the film a claustrophobic, horror film kind of vibe. The effects-heavy actions sequences are very well realized, but at some point the film started to feel like it was overdoing the effects bit somewhat, to fill in for a lack of story content. The problem is that the integral Hulk sequences turn worse and worse after the initial one.
The jokes fall mostly flat, particularly those written for Tim Blake Nelson's childishly eager scientist character.
Edward Norton is in many ways the perfect choice to play the brilliant scientist with anger problems since he plays such parts very well. Here, however, he isn't allowed to do much in-depth acting, so that potential is wasted. Through Norton's beastly form, the Hulk is initially depicted as something of an anti-hero or villain even, before forcing to come out of hiding to save the day.
Overall, a superhero film featuring Norton, Liv Tyler and Tim Roth sounds very weird, but the main cast mostly turns out fine. Norton's chemistry with Tyler is almost non-existent; they're fairly awkward onscreen. Liv Tyler sounds dreamy as if she was on a different mental plane altogether while making the film. Additionally, William Hurt's Thaddeus Ross is slightly too one-dimensional and clichéd to feel truly interesting. Props by the way to OG Hulk Lou Ferrigno, who voices the Hulk here and cameos as a security guard.
The production is mostly solid, even if the light shaky-cam action sequences drag down the otherwise claustrophobic battle sequences somewhat. The climactic battle with the CGI beast Abomination is among the worst effects sequences in a Marvel movie (and that's saying something). That final battle is an abomination (pardon the pun).
It's difficult to pinpoint something that keeps this film intriguing. I cannot help but think that Edward Norton could have done more with the character and they could have cast somebody else as Betty Ross. Liv Tyler was miscast if you ask me.
Unlike Iron Man, which somehow managed to rethink the typical origin story, The Incredible Hulk not only falls for all the same clichés, it doesn’t do anything new with the character or the possibilities linked to him.
The Incredible Hulk has its moments, but several smaller shortcomings make it one of the lesser successful entries within the MCU. Lifeless action and an uninspiring plot mean this film doesn’t deserve rewatches. Not even the final moments connecting the film to the rest of the MCU (with a cameo from Robert Downy Jr) help lift the film.
In a better world, I believe we would have gotten a film where Stan Lee turned into Abomination from drinking soda with Banner's gamma blood.
WACPINE RATING: 5.0 / 10 = 2,5 stars
THIS MOVIE IS TOTALLY FREAKING AWESOME AMAZING
WOW....JUST....WOW
I WATCH THIS TO KICK OFF THE INFINITY SAGA
AND IT JUST FITS IN NICELY, AN EPIC START JUST LIKE THE BEGINNING OF THIS MOVIE, WHICH IS PERFECT, NO MESSING AROUND, OFF WE GO,
BUT BRINGS US ALONG WITH IT,
FOR A TRULY GOOD TIME, WITH A VERY VERY
WELL TOLD STORY, BUT WE ARE IN THE MCU SO THERE'S NO SURPRISE THERE. THEY ARE
THE MASTERS AT THAT.
I LOVE HOW THEY MAKE DAMN SURE THAT YOU KNOW EDWARDS HULK IS THE SAME HULK AS MARKS AVENGER HULK,
SAME HULK DIFFERENT ACTOR.
MARK TALKS ABOUT THE AVENTS FROM THE INCREDIBLE HULK, MARVEL IS JUST FLAWLESS AT STORY TELLING AND CREATING A UNIVERSE, NO IN CREATING A MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE,
NO IN CREATING "THE MULTIVERSE".
THE HULK LOOKS ABSOLUTELY FRICKING AWESOME THE PACING OF THE MOVIE IS FANTASTIC AND EVERY MOMENT IS FILLED WITH
STORY, ACTION AND WIT.
THIS MOVIE IS SUCH A WELCOME
ADDITION TO THE MCU.
IT REALLY REALLY IS A SUPERB
MOVIE AND THE FX ARE VERY VERY WELL DONE.
AND BLOWS MY MIND HOW YOU CAN SEE
CAPTAIN AMERICA'S
SHIELD AT THE BEGINNING THEN YOU GET TONY AT THE END, WHAT MORE COULD YOU ASK FOR. 10/10
From start to finish, this is a total mess of a film that seems more interested in finding room for not-so-subtle cameos and wink-nudge-grins than telling a complete story.
Knocking out the whole origin chapter during the opening credits may have freed up the rest of the picture to explore new territory, but it also killed the basis of the cast's relationships and removed any reason for the audience to care about them. Ed Norton and Liv Tyler turn in genuinely rotten performances, with a black hole of chemistry as an on-screen duo; neither true to the original characters nor interesting in the slightest. Bruce never comes off as remotely intelligent, let alone the super genius he'd have to be to come up with the formula that turned him into the Hulk, and actually spends more time running from grossly generic government operatives than using his brain. This effectively kills the contrast between Banner’s more meek, subdued character and the shoot-first viscera of the Hulk that's such a focal point of the character’s story. In this edition, they're both mindlessly running, just in opposite directions.
Corny dialog, predictable twists and turns, weak CG, flat characterization and sleepwalking actors. This blew up in Marvel's face.
NPR's Linda Holmes recently posted a tweet asking if there was any superhero film where the most exciting or interesting part took place in the third act action sequence. While I there are a few exceptions, she's right to make the point. Plenty of films spend a good chunk of their run time developing their characters and setting up interesting plots and conflicts, only to see it all more or less smashed together with a gigantic, semi-interchangeable fight scene at the end.
Holmes's take was particularly on my mind as I watched The Incredible Hulk, and found myself spending two-thirds of the film wondering why it was considered the ugly stepchild of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and the last third of it being reminded. Most of Hulk is an interesting exploration of the main character's mythos, from Banner's condition being a curse, to an antagonist who desperately wants to be the thing that Bruce hates, to the doomed romance between Banner and Ross. Then, the last 30-40 minutes of the film devolve into a cheesy video game, and the movie more or less falls apart, making all the good work director Louis Leterrier did to get to that point feel like it was for nothing.
What's frustrating is that there's some good thematic work done with Banner/Hulk in particular. Norton is solid if unspectacular in the role, by the writing and direction do a good job of conveying how The Hulk is an affliction for Banner, how this one accident has left his life in shambles. He cannot be near people. He has to take extreme precautions to keep himself calm. Each new "incident," leaves him having to start all over again, unable to continue with whatever progress he's made in the short term. The Hulk is not a tool that allows him to fight the bad guys -- it's a curse, something that prevents him from building a life, something that constantly makes him a threat to the innocent (and not so innocent) around him, something that puts him in the crosshairs of the government and the military and even just the overly-ambitious scientists who mean to help him.
It's also something that keeps him away from the woman he loves. Again, it all falls apart in the third act, but Liv Tyler's soft spoken approach to Betty Ross makes the scenes she and Norton share compelling, and accentuates the star-crossed nature of their love in the silent but intense moments they share. The scenes when they come together expose why Bruce had to leave her especially. His presence at the university where she teaches brings her into the line of fire of the folks trying to catch him, and even their brief moment of physical affection has to end because it's raising Banner's pulse too much. (Betty is also the comedic highlight, from her line about Bruce not being able to even get "a little excited," to her anger at the cab driver, to her skepticism that the government will be able to track them via mundane objects like her ID.) It's clear why this is an even greater curse for Banner -- it keeps him away from the woman he loves.
And yet, Betty is the key to him overcoming some of that concern. For one thing, Bruce is worried that if he turns into The Hulk while Betty is around, he'll harm her. But one of the first things that allows us to realize that there's more of Bruce in his big green alter ego than he thinks is that Hulk repeatedly protects Betty, that he protects her from the military helicopter bearing down on them and when they have their King Kong moment in a cave, she doesn't so much as lay a finger on her. She's also the one thing in the film we see able to calm The Hulk, whether it's her explaining that lightning isn't anything to be afraid of, or climbing onto him in Dr. Sterns's laboratory while the procedure takes place. She is a powerful force in Bruce's life, so powerful that she cuts through to the man beneath the angry green exterior, even in the worst of rages.
She's also the key to Bruce making peace with his alter ego to some degree. When she asks him how much Bruce is aware when The Hulk is about, and intimates that maybe he could find a way to get back into control, Bruce tells her that he doesn't want to control it, he just wants to get rid of it. The Hulk has made Bruce Banner's life a living hell, turned him into a maelstrom of green flesh leaving a path of destruction in his wake, and taken away any semblance of a normal life he wants to have. But with Betty's help, over the course of the film Bruce learns that Hulk can be a force for good, that he can be used to protect people like Betty and can be trusted, or at least taught, not to harm the people Bruce cares about. Bruce's knowing smile at the end of the film as he induces the transformation shows a man in harmony with his "curse," who's learned, with Betty's help, that he can control the beast within, and maybe even channel the effects to where it becomes not a curse, but a gift.
Emil Blonsky desperately wants that gift. Like many cinematic foils, he works best as a mirror image of the hero -- not as the grotesque scaly monster he becomes who is basically a spiky ugly version of Hulk, but in more human terms. Bruce is a subdued, gentle man who desperately wants to rid himself of the rage monster that lurks inside and resents the changes it brought. Blonsky is a fighter at heart, who feels his effectiveness slipping away, and wants more than anything, the afflication that Bruce is trying so hard to escape from, so that it can allow him to continue in battle. Bruce will give anything not to have to fight; Blonsky will do anything to get to stay in it, and that makes them an interesting contrast until the film defaults to a pair of brutes slugging each other indiscriminately.
The film also does a tremendous job of quickly establishing both characters. The film's opening half hour is probably of its best. The initial montage does a good job of setting up the premise without belaboring the point or retelling the origin story of a character 90% of the audience is familiar with, at least on a surface level. The scenes set in South America are close to wordless, but they quickly establish the lengths Bruce has gone to in order to 1. keep himself and the people around him safe; and 2. try to find a cure. His breathing exercises, his pulse machine, his day labor job, his learning how to deflect physical attacks rather than respond to them, his makeshift science lab, and the tons of other precautions he takes. Without ever telling us with exposition, the audience knows that he is a talented scientist, that he's taking extraordinary precautions in an attempt to try to prevent his dark side from emerging, and that despite that, he cannot avoid his impulse to help people who need it.
The ensuing action sequence as he's chased through the streets is the best in the film. There's a Bourne-like quality to the dips and dives through the labrynthe of the town, and excellent recurring beats like the roughians he ran into at the plant showing up or his daring escape when he realizes the government's on his tail. It also gives Hulk himself the JAWS treatment, giving us just glimpses, keeping him in shadow, letting us see what the creature can do before we ever clearly see the creature.
The subsequent action scene on the quad of the university is not as tightly directed or constructed, but is still an enjoyable crush-fest that has important beats for the characters. Hulk's determination in the face of the sound canons makes you feel for the atavistic brute. Blonsky's speed past the younger soldiers and move face-to-face with the beast shows both what he's trying so hard to regain and how much he's itching for this, how much he thrives in battle in a way that would make him just crazy enough to suffer and take these kinds of risks to hold onto it.
Unfortunately, it all culminates in a strange page out of the Rampage playbook. Abomination has little in common with Blonsky. He's just a big sack of evil, with cheesy bad guy dialogue and little to recommend him. General Ross's sudden change of heart and willingness to send Bruce out to fight Abomination makes little sense, and their fight goes on too long with not nearly enough excitement. It's the usual cacophony of destruction, made all the more static by the fact that there are two cartoon characters doing the damage. In the right hands, CGI can be a boon, and it's hard to imagine this film working anywhere near as well as it does if it had to rely on a modern day Lou Ferrigno. But the height of the film involving a pair of unconvincing computer-generated creations constantly punching one another, just makes the whole thing feel weightless, feel unreal, and not in a good way. Sure, there's neat moments like Hulk using a cop car as brass knuckles, but for the most part it feels like tensionless, dull combat, and yet it's supposed to convey the heart of the movie.
Sure, Hulk going to great lengths to protect the innocent is a nice beat, but it's in the middle of more contrived, block-busting battles. There's a nice emotional story being told for two-thirds of the film, about making peace with your id, about trying to regain waht you've lost, about learning how a curse can be used for the greater good. But that story is lost in a sea of oversized fists, cheesy one-liners, and actions that make little sense. It's a shame for a movie that started of this well to devolve in something so pointless.
Review by sirtwist2VIP 6BlockedParent2023-03-15T08:44:24Z
Not a very good movie on its own. As part of the Marvel Universe, it's awful! It's so forgettable, I originally watched it almost exactly six years ago and didn't remember anything about it. BTW, I'm rewatching the Marvel Universe in chronological order which is the only reason I watched this again.
It doesn't have a particularly good story and has some huge plot holes. Especially irritating is that the movie plays out Banner becoming the Hulk in the opening credits and not particularly well. The movie opens with Banner hiding in South America already on the run. If you don't pay much attention to the opening credits, you're kind of lost as the movie starts, even if you do pay attention to the opening credits, you're still kind of lost.
The acting is ok, but nothing special. After watching the Hulk in the Avenger movies, it's hard to see any of the actors as convincing in their roles. Liv Tyler's soft spoken, breathy voice was especially irritating.
The action is actually pretty good, although the military doesn't come off very well! The CGI isn't bad and holds up pretty well 14 years later.
It's not a complete waste of time but there's nothing special or memorable about it. I originally gave it a 6 out of 10 and, if anything, I might go down to a 5 out of 10 on my second watch.