Anime-onlys, are you alright guys?) We been there it's confusing, but kinda awesome.
Just in case, if anybody actually confused with how exactly Grisha saw Zeke. Grisha simultaneously saw the scene in the basement through Eren's eyes and his own. That's why he saw only Zeke and not Eren. He couldn't see Eren in the person. He could see himself through Eren's eyes. That's why Eren was always behind Grisha, in the moments when Grisha did looked at Zeke. Like with Frieda in the mirror back in season 3 or ch. 53
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And yes, incredibly enough in the 1st episode of season 1 or in ch.1 Grisha wasn't looking at young Eren when he talked about the basement. This small detail was already there all this years ago, back in 2009!!!
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So, neither Zeke nor Eren were physically* there.
They couldn't change the past either. It's more like self-fulfilling prophecy. Like Terminator's plot (first one) if you will. They couldn't say or do anything that would have gave them a different outcome. Or else they wouldn't be there in the first place. Or alternatively they only were there, because this specific plotline happened and that specific plotline happened this way, because they were there at the time. Chicken or the egg - type of situation.
*Nobody freaking knows how the hell hug worked... I guess they both hugged air or old excuse of "paths working in the mysterious ways". Hell, maybe anime would give us a more concrete answer... in the future? :wink:
As for episode itself. It was amazing! All my expectations were blown away. Grisha's voice actor did a fantastic job.
Not slamming Eren and Zeke voice actors, I'm just used to them doing fenomenal job every single time. It's a given at this point.
Eren's character and his consistency
I don't know would it be as divisive as it was with the manga. But I feel like this episode reception would be hinge upon willingness to embrace a new titan's power and what this episode did to Eren's characterisation.
I started to actually like Eren back in the Chapel, when he realised what a horrible thing his father did. How he doomed them all. And Eren was ready to sacrifice himself for the good of everyone else. It changed his worldview. Before, Eren was fine with the sacrifice in his name, because he was a chosen one. He was Humanity's last hope.
Now, realising that he would be the one to push Grisha to do those horrible things. He still went through with that. Seemingly not having such a difficult time convincing Grisha and himself (if he need it at all) that this is the only way forward.
And I think the episode/chapter delivered a final blow to his past. Recontextualized his actions. Eren had a normal loving family, he wasn't brainwashed. He didn't grow up in the Underground. Neither he was raised by Kenny, mind you. And yet, his first reaction was not only to find and kill the kidnappers. But think how to go about it. He even prepared improvised weapons and didn't hesitated to use them. At 9-year-old! He didn't felt remorse at the action itself, he wasn't shaking by what happened. Grisha was more horrified that he ever was. And we knew that, we saw it, we didn't question it much. Because he is the main character and they were the monsters.
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TL;DR And now Eren is back into believing that he is the chosen one and if he ever stops "Their Deaths" would be in vain. And he is the main character and the world does wants to annialate them. Situation didn't changed. And Eren sure as hell didn't. To me this character progression or deliberate stagnation felt earned. I know that, sadly, so many couldn't move past this development in the story. And felt like it was a badly executed drastic change that ruined his character. New titan's power worked as well as decision to give protagonist the power of hatred enemy, Coordinate power first use, basement reveal etc - I always thought that they were underwhelming and predictable. But the way they were excellent executed never failed to change my mind and see them as a better options for the story progression, overall.
I swear like something will happen to my mind!
what the hell was that! This is high level, and even ( High ) will not be enough to describe what was that!.
that's why it's deserve to be best anime ever, Bc it's makes you really open your mouth and just laugh for no reason bc of this much madness that your mind can't handle!
Liked everything, The drawing, soundtrack and for sure the the episode storyline
much greatness
thank you!!
Grisha’s VA deserves an award.
omg this is so confusing and mind blowing at the same time !!
Each episode in S4P2 leaves me more speechless than the last. Wow.
Wait . . . . . Wut? Mind officially blown
This is the pinnacle in the history of anime.
Even though the ending is dogshit.
WHAT IN THE FRESH HECK JUST HAPPENED?!!
THAT EPISODE WAS FUCKING LEGENDARY, ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES IN THE ENTIRE ANIME
I screaaaaamed! This episode was SO SO SO FREAKING GOOD! The voice acting was incredible... and I’m warming up to MAPPA’s art. When it’s all done, I’ll need to rewatch for nuance, but I’m warming up to it. But seeing Eren’s growth as a character from the first episode to now, it’s chilling and thrilling to watch. I watched this episode with an aching heart... but damned if it didn’t start pounding when Grisha said only Eren gets what he wants now. SCREAAAAAMMMMED AT THE SCREEN when the credits started rolling!
Chills, literal chills
I’m laughing in awe and confusion because of how crazy this is
There are no words that can describe how amazing this episode is!! It is the best episode you will ever watch in any show. Your mind will sin over to follow up what is happening, and you will definitely cry.
Shout by DJPredatorBlockedParentSpoilers2022-01-31T19:55:19Z
I'm out of words. What an episode! I hope the quality will stay the same for the rest of the anime.
And now the story makes more and more sense. So Eren was pretty much behind the killing of the royal family. I don't know if that was supposed to happen but I think Eren knew or it was supposed to happen.
It was still pretty mindblowing that Zeke's father was physically talking to him. Just wow.
I really want to see what happens with Eren and Zeke in the next episodes. We are just getting to the interesting parts.