One star for the scene with Pike meeting his future self. One star for a little bit of Control action. Everything else is just unacceptable.
Blue-skinned self proclaimed "Time Keeper" Klingons living in a gothic monastery cultivating those ominous time crystals... Are you fucking kidding me??? This has nothing to do with science-fiction any more.
Captain Pike visits the high elf’s palace while Burnham and Spock fights the ants.
an octopus in a garage is less lost than the writers this season
This show is written by 10-year olds (and this solely not to disgrace all 9-year olds in the world).
if there's a season 3 it will be without me. hey is a rhyme.
There's no logic in the primitive nostalgic pessimism that a lot of people seem to have. All cinematographical material have their flaws and we can't expect all producers, directors and editors to have the perfect perception for the source material as the older fans. This series has it's ups and downs and surely inconsistencies, but just wanting to see everything die out because it can't please the sense of what the old shows brought is pure pessimism (haters gonna hate).
This show on it's own is doing a much better job than a lot of movies and shows (also those outside the ST universe). Mind the flaws this is doing much better than anything we got for a long time. So please don't try to kill everything that can never succeed something branded in your minds as perfection. And I would remind you if you watch the old shows again (and the same goes for movies and videogames) you'll be met with grievance that what is engraved in your mind as perfection might not look that amazing anymore in the present.
Times change; this evolution of the ST universe is not half that bad. It does a much better job than the meager movies we got the last years. Please give this some slack and stop trying to kill everything. This show has amazing potential if we give them constructive (and not destructive) feedback on how they can improve and pave the way for finally something that can bloom into a 8+ season show with actual bonds we can build with characters, like in the old days.
[7.0/10] It’s not a cure-all by any stretch of the imagination, but I tend to like episodes centered around a particular theme. This is a bit an interstitial episode of the series, one that puts pieces in place and spoon-feeds us a few more reveals before advancing the main plot for season 2. When you’re doing table setting, it helps to some idea that you’re exploring in each little story to help give a sense of cohesion.
And the theme we get here is the immutability or malleability of the past, present, and future. That’s a pretty broad notion (one that’s appropriately expansive enough to fit all the disparate narratives Discovery wants to include here), but at base, it features characters struggling with the notion of whether they’re trapped by their pasts, whether their futures are already set, or whether there’s ways to change and fix and make things better.
My favorite of these disparate stories is Pike’s experience down on Boreth, a Klingon planet that houses the a Temple of Kahless, a cache of time crystals, and most notably for our purposes, Voq and L’Rell’s son. Let’s be honest, the whole escapade there is pretty silly, with faux-profound doublespeak about time and the future, and some timey-wimey craziness, and ominous tones. But god help me, I liked it!
I think part of that is that, centering on Pike in particular, it feels appropriately like a throwback to something the original 1960s Star Trek series would do. The Klingon monk who turns out to be a time-shifted version of the son Ash left on the planet is a little nuts and convenient, but almost charmingly so. The Empire Strikes Back-esque journey into a cave where you gain insight about yourself but at a cost, while being guided by a bumpy mentor is a little cheesy, but also impressionistic and sincere enough to pass muster. And the whole sense of this bizarre little spirit journey to pick up the macguffin and reaffirm your principles feels very Kirk-like somehow.
What I like the most about it, though, is how it’s a character study for Pike. I’ll admit that I’m still not crazy about Discovery borrowing tension or meaning from other shows, but there’s still a power in having Pike witness the incident that turns him into the shell of a man we meet in “The Menagerie” or having to look upon his own scarred, melting face. While the makeup is a little corny, the Kubrickian image of him standing in that hallway where you just hear the whirr of the hoverchair and see it out of focus in the background is utterly horrifying. For setting Pike on a spiritual journey that’s supposed to rattle him, the show doesn't skimp on the disturbing parts of it that drive home the grimness of what awaits the once and future captain of the Enterprise.
And yet, he decides to stay in the game. He reaffirms his Starfleet given principles of service, of sacrifice, of duty, even in the face of his own unfortunate future. He knows what lies in wait for him down the line, but he’s still willing to cement that future in place if it means he can save a brighter future for the galaxy. It’s the kind of admirable bent toward self-sacrifice for a greater good that makes the denizens of Starfleet noble despite their wild (final) frontier ways. Pike’s presence has often felt like a throwback to that sensibility on the morally murkier Discovery show, and it’s a welcome interlude here.
But his experience on Boreth helps to calm things between Ash and L’Rell, which is a relationship I’m glad the show touched on again, however briefly. Theirs is a weird pairing, but that’s one of the things I like about Star Trek, the way it explores those sorts of strange relationships between souls and how it would affect them. The struggle for Ash between being Lt. Tyler and being Voq, and for L’Rell of being the Klingon Chancellor and someone who loves her son and one-time partner, makes for meaningful interactions. The way they both struggle with their two truths, the desire to see their son but also protect him, and the realization that their pasts don’t have to hamstring their futures, or his, is an abbreviated part of the episode, but also a strong one.
Were that the same could be said for the continued Stamets/Culber relationship issues. There’s still this weird sense of high school drama to what should be a powerful emotional struggle, and the show doesn't seem to know how to fix it. The lipservice (and let me be frank, acting) here doesn't do much to sell the estrangement or inevitable repair of it. That said, I do like how the show aims to use Jet Reno and her story to tell Hugh not to waste a second chance. The writing is good, if a little heavy-handed, in that scene, with Jet having a reasonably motivation of just wanting Stamets at his best, but also having a legitimate means of relating to Hugh as someone married to a micromanaging perfectionist herself. It doesn't really answer or solve the problem that broke them apart in any way (chiefly, that Hugh’s old life felt uncomfortable and unfamiliar after his experience), but it does suggest to Hugh that there’s something valuable in the future he could be losing if he gives up on things because he doesn't recognize their past, which is something.
There’s also some juice to Michael and Spock going to investigate an odd Section 31 missed check in. This part of the episode has problems. For one, I’m still not sold on the Burnham/Spock dynamic on the show, which still feels out of tune to me. For another, given how interstitial this episode already feels, this definitely comes off like a minor sidequest very early on. And lastly, it becomes clear early that things will go wrong and that there’s more to the (barely-remembered) guy from the Shenzhou than meets the eye.
But at the end of the day, I liked this one too, For one thing, you again have the horror movie panache of the fellow crewmember turning out to be Control, and Michael and Spock realizing that at the same time. There’s the raw action quotient of Burnham trying to blast the thing to smithereens, the creepy advancing swarm of nanobots, and the last minute save from Spock trapping them on the floor. (“Yeah bitch! Magnets! Oh!”)
Apart from the scary movie material, though, I like that we get a little more about Control’s goal here. There’s a lot of “Michael is really important” talk here, which doesn't really thrill me. But I appreciate the practicality of Control focusing so much on Burnham because it thinks she’s the best way to get to the Sphere Data, with a specific goal to take her over. I also appreciate the Asimov-esque rationale that its programming is to protect all sentient life and it views the end result of that as being to become the apex of all sentient life. It’s appropriately explanatory and science fiction-y.
And I like the way it ties into Burnham’s sense that she failed her mom in the past and the present, but that the encounter makes her realize she can still change the future. That method may come from the same thing Pike eventually realizes is needed -- self sacrifice. It’s unlikely to be permanent (and I believe the self-destruction of the Discovery tease about as much as I believe Shatner’s hair is natural, but maybe there’s a tie into “Calypso” in the offing), but I like the sense of Burnham going from regret about what she’s done before to resolve about what she can do now.
That’s the minimum I ask for from Star Trek. This isn’t a perfect episode by any stretch, with acting and dialogue that still rankles me a fair bit. But there’s a core idea that informs pretty much every scene we see, that calls on the writers to explore and work around, and that makes this one stronger by association even if it can’t be strong in every moment.
Getting things back on track after some iffy storytelling in previous episodes.
I know I've said I'm past caring, that I'm past making comments about what I don't like. What the heck - I'm a masochist. :grin:
More fantasy mambo-jambo, more pointless soap-drama, more Michael-Michael-Michael. All this tied into another (albeit very well played by Mount) attempt to weave it into Star Trek folklore.
9/10
Superb
Another amazing episode,
Wow...just....wow
And the BORG are getting smarter
and stronger and now
they want to assimilate our Michael,
Nooooooooo
Protect Michael at all cost.
I love the brother and sister combination
of Spock and Michael.
still laughing now
("Say Goodbye Spock:
Goodbye Spock"), haha lol
they are amazing siblings.
I love the timekeepers very very fascinating and to bring in what happens to PIKE in the future from the original Star Trek was just fantastic writing. I love the look of
The Klingons,they look awesome.
This show is super frickin awesome amazing fantastic spectacular and definitely
the best and most exciting Trek ever
i am super stoked there are 5 seasons. phenomenal show that can do no wrong and definitely deserves all the
Love and Respect in the universe....
It's so damn great.
I'm just here to get context for SNW. Powering the hell through this drivel.
Just wanted to comment that nano bot controlled dude sounded like Thane from Mass Effect. That's all!
They over did it with the Klingon make-up in this show. I prefer the look from the 80’s-90’s movies and shows.
You can see the "twist" coming a mile away but a nice episode with Michael and Spock nonetheless.
Shout by SilrogVIP 4BlockedParent2019-04-05T19:19:56Z
I never would have considered this possible but I actually wouldn't mind if a Star Trek series gets canceled.
There is barely any logic in STD season 2, either in minor or huge events.