First contact situation language problem is just a variation of the film Arrival, plus all the usual quack talk of the season.
10c is cool, the whole trying to figure out a way to communicate reminded me of Arrival - I really liked that part.
But honestly, is there any need for endless heart-to-hearts? I mean, time is of the essence, 10c invites people to talk, and Burnham and Saru just vanish to have their little mutual pep-talk? And in this time of crisis Saru also manages to wonder about his relationship with the Vulcan president? Focus, people!
The combadge thing... well, no one thinks that maybe the combadge isn't where the chief engineer (BTW, still love her!) is? What a surprise. And all we need is a psychotherapy session with Zora.
Just to be clear: It doesn't bother me when characters are portrayed as omniscient, omnipotent etc. as long as the character isn't portrayed as any kind of Mary Sue. So, Burnham can come up with as many solutions as she wants, I just can't relate to her. She's 2-dimensional, other than dramatic whispering and mega-intense looks there's nothing there. There are no rough edges. And the way she's treated by Starfleet, as some kind of miracle worker and Discovery's the only ship apparently capable of doing anything (where are other ships, where are other captains?) is ridiculous. That's what's annoying the hell out of me about this series.
This could have been a good episode if it weren't for people doing stupid things just to generate drama for the show. Ugh.
Great episode. The first real interaction with the 10c was very tense and very impressive. :thumbsup_tone1::thumbsup_tone1:
I feel sadness in response to Reno's message, or, in terms a 10c child might put it: 52% sadness, 21% anxiety, 6% anger, 4% terror, 10% peace, 7% love.... 'Course, I'm just projecting what I think Burnham's emotional response'd be -- a game I like to call imagined empathy.
I hope they can quickly formulate a message to stop Book's ship, with the info they were surprised by it's presence.
It's perhaps not saying much as it has been rather hit and miss, but this was definitely the best episode of the season and with the first contact situation, it felt quite like a classic Trek problem.
This could have been good, but they keep making dumb decisions and lines. Not to mention Michael as the ultimate power player - yes, she is a badass and smart and capable, but it is getting a bit overused how she is the only one who knows to solve anything, let it be a mathematical question, a linguistic puzzle, a combat situation or basically anything else. Yet it's still a minor thing compared to the dumbness of some. For example, Ndoye heard everything the others did and knows the risks, but she still foolishly betrays everyone, knowing well that this new species might wipe Earth off the charts in an instance if provoked. And I cannot wait the moment they finally use Book as a communication mediator as he can communicate with feelings - which might surely help. Anyway, I am a bit disappointed in the writing and the 2-bit characters, especially when the story itself could have been good.
I was not expecting it to end so suddenly, I fully believed it was the last episode of the season, can't wait to see how it's all resolved.
As a side note, I'm glad to see more positive comments than negative comments here. Is it too much to hope that those who only commented negatively for the sake of being negative have finally stopped watching?
This episode is the reason why I watch the show, I love the unknown
Of course people are still whispering, look sad, can't stop talking endlessly although time is of the essence, say superfluous lines, say stupid things, are tricked by taken-off com badges like five months old infants (like in every other Star Trek show before) and there's definitely too much strange techno babble (25% of the latter is just lazy writing), plus some illogical plot elements but all in all this is a good episode with some great first contact scenes unlike anything I have seen before. The alien species is truly intriguing. It's a direct continuation of the previous episode and it feels almost like the second part of a back to back episode that somehow feels coherent and where the first part isn't inconsequential blasts and explosions. Still hate, that Burnham is that supernatural hero that solves every riddle almost alone - no wonder I'm not attached to her or one of the other crew members.
Most interesting idea: Lincos language. I had no idea. The Wikipedia article about that is better than the whole season thus far.
Great episode and worth the wait, but seems some can only focus on things negatively.
When Spock was coming up with mission saving ideas and time travel slingshotting using gravity etc. no one was questioning it. As a male Vulcan it’s was accepted yet they forget Michael excelled on Vulcan and as such learned much from Spock & his parents.
So why is everyone so negative when she clearly is using that learned logic and coming up with solutions with the help of her crew? If the character wasn’t a black woman would her abilities be so criticised, doubt it.
Just another veiled attack rather than enjoy the show and if you listen closely enough you might learn something about yourself, if you are brave enough to look closely!
That first contact scene was absolutely beautiful and so much better than I expected. But seeing great scenes likt that just makes it even sadder that the rest of the show is so sub-par.
Aaaw, they ALMOST made the 10-Cs cry too...
8.5/10
Really Great Episode
this show is phenomenal
and definitely the
Best Trek ever above
all others.
This episode was frickin awesome and one of the
Best, if not the best
First Contact in Trek
That their has been.
What they had to do to
even attempt to get some
form of understanding
was Outstanding all
while being undermined.
Zora was telling them
she didn't feel right
(I absolutely love Zora).
Never liked
Psycho-pants
right from the beginning.
This show is the gift
that keeps on giving
and I absolutely love
everything about it.
Wow
and now the season finale
of ST-DISC
This whole season has been a confusion of bad script writing and a personal lack of detachment to the characters – something that Strange New Worlds has succeeded in with lightness.
But: I do like the idea of first contact with the Ten-C through a concept based on Lincos for cosmic communication very much.
At the beginning with the hypersurface, anyone else reminded of the psychic orb from Warhammer 40k, the Astartes animations ( https://youtu.be/DVXEYksoE6c ) and also Stargate ( https://youtu.be/n3ihWxPL5eA?t=77 )?
What? A STD episode that was scientifically logical, reasonable and engaging, while keeping things exciting, overall? What did the show runners do to make it all go so wrong with this one? :laughing:
The first contact was tense and thrilling! It felt very Star Trek-y. Like others have said, very reminiscent of the movie Arrival (which is definitely no bad thing). Best episode out of a weird season, undoubtedly.
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The 10-C remind me of the heptapods from Denis Villeneuve's Arrival: Gigantic aliens initially presenting (or, in Arrival, perceived as presenting) an apocalyptic threat, who communicate via excretions and require the protagonists to go to extraordinary lengths to understand and speak to. Tarka's obsession with exploiting their power to reuinite with a lost lover is more like a mashup of Moby Dick, Wuthering Heights & Frankenstein. Book's grief & naivety just seem ... extra.