Season 2 is complete Trash!!! I could not complete the season, skipped to the last episode just to see how they fixed the situation, and by skipping from 4 to 10 I did not miss much.
I was ok with the first season of Picard. This is garbage though...
I think there are some decent actors here, but it doesn't matter when you've got a garbage script and story. You know they're out of ideas when they bring characters back to life (check) and/or introduce time travel (check). Time travel is hard (period), so why that seems like a fallback is a mystery. It rarely turns out well.
I made it through episode 9 out of sheer will, devotion to TNG, and desperation to salvage something from this escapade. To no avail... Sometimes it's better to admit defeat.
this whole season feels like an episode stretched into a series. poor dialogue and unbelievable things that don't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. The added political messages of the current day (from only a certain viewpoint).
I'm told season 3 is good and that's all that's getting me through this cringefest.
3.5/10 - I loved the first season but this second season made everything pointless to me. I hate the time traveling, the lack of science, the stupid/ridiculous story, and it simply didn't feel like Star Trek.
Either Star Trek was never as good as I thought it was (I never watched the old TV shows and movies and I guess mostly because the science behind them is way too outdated now), it has recently become trash, or I didn't really notice the lack of science and logic before. IIRC the recent movies were pretty good (then again they definitely were silly too) but this has gone way too far now! I've lost faith in the Star Trek universe now. Shows like The Expanse and Mars are just so much better IMO. I also still like the Star Wars universe for the fantasy aspects (apart from the main movies - those are bad). However, Star Trek is neither proper Sci-Fi anymore (as it really lacks in regards to science) nor does it offer enjoyable fantasy moments.
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My biggest complaint is the main plot though. To start with, I don't like the whole monstrosity of the premise. Why is it again, that the future (and past) of humanity (in perhaps multiple parallel universes) is at stake? That ruined Discovery and Picard's season 1 already. This shouldn't be an action movie plot where you imagine the most menacing threat so that explosions can grow bigger.
Let's talk about the complexity of this show: I'm very generous when it comes to plot holes and mystery elements. That was always part of Star Trek and is partly inherent to the Sci-Fi/mystery genre. I admit that Star Trek was always a fast produced show (they produced 25 show or so per season) with financial constraints typical for the 90s and that always prevented from Star Trek being a flawless show. I understand that a season-long story needs lighter B-plots and a mix of some boring moments interwoven with a more complex main story that is able to entertain longer than just 45 minutes. I get that. But honestly, can you retell the main story? Do you know what happened? It's certainly not simple. It either doesn't make sense or I'm to stupid to appreciate its amazing complexity. After episode 10 the story behind it becomes somewhat more comprehensible, but for the most part it was too obscure and mysterious to be really enjoyable. I mean, authors had enough budget and time to concoct a concise story that is on par with contemporary story telling (not every show is as good and complex as Mad Men or Sopranos but it feels like the writers never tried to teleport the Star Trek franchise into the golden era of TV/Streaming). Instead it feels like writers added complexity buy just adding unlikely turns and twists that nobody could expect or even explain. I have so many questions that feel unanswered. The writers don't seem to care. The story is based on multiple, intersecting plans of various protagonists that I simply don't understand and I don't find very credible:
I tried to explain the story as I understood it in my review about episode 10. No need to repeat this. The interplay between the Borg and Q spans multiple timelines and points in time. It's super complex and I'm still not sure whether it really is plausible. It seems to be an almost circular chain of events where the future effects the past and the past effects the future. Biggest problem: Who wants Renée to launch into Space and why? I mean the Queen wanted that but refrained from this later when Jurati convinced her to become a benevolent factor. But why does the Queen care to stop Renée and preserve the "Terran timeline"? Given what we learn about the Borg's perception of spacetime, aren't all timelines are equally important? Why not conquer humanity in whatever timeline? And if the Borg can travel through time why wouldn't they do that every time they are about to be denied world dominance? Why are the other protagonists that certain that Renée must fly into space? The watcher certainly doesn't know (Well, she provides a transporter and reveals who Renée's shrink is but other than that she's useless with regard to the main story). Do they assume that only because Q seems to have manipulated Renée not flying into space? How can they be so sure? Plus, it's incredible that Picard knows WWII details about his chateau but nobody knows what groundbreaking discoveries the Europa mission with a Picard onboard made? Shouldn't that be somewhere in the database? Why is nobody even trying to find out? And why isn't Renée playing a major role in most episodes after the farewell party of hers? Wherever her high-security quarantine facility is, why is everyone so sure that Q or his proxy Soong won't get access to her (they don't know that Q has lost his powers)? Can they even be sure that extremely powerful Jurati/Queen is not trying to help Q and try to stop Renée? Till the end the La Sirena crew should assume that the Queen is also trying to manipulate the timeline. That's another mysterious part: why does the Borg Queen (voluntarily) brought them back to 2024 where Picard gets the chance to restore the original timeline? I mean at this point she's still evil and doesn't know what benevolent Jurati-Queen will concoct in the 400 years to come. So why is she teleporting Picard and his crew back to 2024? Why not 2124 or 1900? In 2121 (or 1900) they will not able to reverse the timeline and the Queen will most likely find it easy to assimilate mankind. I mean that was her plan before Jurati convinced her otherwise, right? Plus, I still don't buy the fact that insecure and unassuming Jurati - above all persons - is strong enough to persuade a Borg Queen to try another approach to the usual Borg assimilation strategy. The twist that the Queen is a 400 years old Jurati is a surprising twist, but this is based on a almost circular chain of events that is really hard to justify if you think about that.
It's too complex to be entertaining and the story is obfuscated by - what I feel are artificially added story elements - B-plots and unnecessary complex "temporal mechanics". Even after season 10, I still don't get the whole story and I feel the the main protagonists don't have a clue either. Most of the time, they just stumble around and don't really know whether they do the right thing or not. Around episode 4 or 5 writers should have lifted the veil, ended the mystery and stated a clear objective of what needs to be achieved by Picard and his crew. Usually, similar Star Trek episodes end like that: all protagonists admit their confusion and shrug off every trace of flawed logic by stating that they barely passed temporal mechanics at the academy and they don't understand it either. But that's not enough for a show that has 10 full episodes to tell a concise story.
A long meandering and unfocused season. This should have never been ten episodes long and should have been much much shorter given the amount of filler episodes.
Wow, this was bad... and with Discovery being major poopoo and nobody knowing of the existance of the other one, i guess we´ll enter that ST hiatus fase once more...
What a disappointing season. I barely enjoyed it. So many weird things happen and sometimes there seem to be skips between decisions and actions that make no sense whatsoever.
No need to think about it. Just watch Ep. 1,2 and 10. Only if you really need to!
Farewell” is, of course, an episode of goodbyes—farewell to the series’ time travel plotline, farewell to some pretty major characters, farewell to many ideas about how an episode of television should have paltry elements like “coherence between scenes” and “a plot that lasts most, if not all, of the episode.” After the back half of season two has meandered here and there in its time travel story, the episode is a madcap dash to close off every dangling plotline that’s left, while also setting up some fascinating hints for the show’s final season. And in some respects, in certain moments, “Farewell” hits, anchored in some truly wonderful performances and some emotional character work. In others, it’s, uh... frankly kind of insane, this bizarre sprint to a finish line that involves flinging scenes at a wall and seeing if they stick—and if they don’t just sprinting on to that finish line anyway, consequences or coherence be damned.
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The Season Finale May Be One of the Most Unhinged Hours of Television This Year.
Let's Begin:
This unhinged feeling begins relatively early on in the episode, when you suddenly realize that “Farewell” is a 50-minute episode of TV that somehow only has about 20 minutes of plot—and all of it is front loaded. With the Borg Queen dealt with last week (well... at this point it’s not a spoiler to say more on that later), Picard, Tallinn, Rios, Seven, and Raffi quickly hatch a game plan to ensure that Dr. Soong can’t prevent Renee Picard from launching the Europa space mission and securing the future they’ve spent much of this season breaking every rule of time travel to safeguard. While the latter trio are left to go investigate just what Soong is going to do exactly—because for a disgraced scientist he has an absurd amount of pull over the Europa mission and, uh, apparently armed weapon systems out of nowhere?—Tallinn and Picard make a dash for the Europa launch site, finally deciding that Renee needs to meet her guardian angel if she has a chance of getting on the mission
And... really, that’s it. Tallinn reveals herself to Renee in an emotional scene, Soong runs around the base being hilariously assholish for no real reason other than that we know he has to be an evil asshole, Picard meanders about too, and then in the background Rios, Raffi, and Seven try to disable a quartet of killer drones Soong has launched to assassinate Renee. How does he have drones? It doesn’t matter, because as soon as we learn of their existence they’re dealt with, and they’re not even Soong’s only assassination plan—he also has snuck in a toxin graft attached to one of his hands, which he uses to seemingly poison Renee when he bumps into her in a corridor. But surprise! It’s Tallinn in disguise! And she dies in Picard’s arms and we’re all very sad, but happy too, because the real Renee got onboard the ship while Tallinn was busy getting poisoned, and the day is saved.
Once again: I cannot stress enough that all of this is delivered in the first 20 minutes of the episode. And that’s it. The big threat of the season that has taken about seven episodes of build-up has a climax hyper-condensed down to this opening act, and it makes everything about it feel so weird. There’s some good stuff in there—the emotional farewell between Tallinn and Picard where both of them each realizes that they’ve found peace in sharing themselves with the people they care about is wonderfully done. But it feels like such an absurd way to end a series that has struggled with issues of pace by wrapping up this major arc with a breathless, almost uncaring level of haste.
But it’s not that that makes “Farewell” such a bizarre, rollercoaster of an episode. If this is all it was, it would be perfectly fine—a little demure, but solid. Instead, “Farewell” spends its remaining runtime with an... it’d be too diplomatic to call it an epilogue considering it’s the bulk of the episode, but that’s really what it is. A collection of scenes that just about barely flows from one to the text, as if the script was developed by throwing a dart at a board labeled “A Big List of Things We Should Probably Deal With/Set Up This Season.” And it starts big, because no sooner than we’re done with the Europa plot... Wesley Crusher shows up.
Yes He wasn’t in that big Picard season three TNG reunion news a few weeks back, but Wil Wheaton is here, out of nowhere, to barge right into one of Picard season two‘s most underdeveloped plot threads: Korre, Soong’s daughter. She’s largely been out of the spotlight since the reveal that Soong artificially constructed her as the latest in a long line of genetic experiments, but her role is made all the more incomprehensible by the fact that, just as she’s done enacting vengeance against her dad by remotely deleting all his research, Wesley arranges a meeting with her. And... recruits her to join the Travelers, the mystery transdimensional beings Wesley left the Enterprise-D to join all the way back in “Journey’s End” nearly 30 years ago? Don’t worry about the fact we saw him back in Starfleet for Nemesis, because Picard certainly doesn’t care, and doesn’t spend the time to explain: Wesley Crusher is here, he scoops up Korre (hopefully meaning Isa Briones will actually get something to do next season, as her time in this one was a major injustice compared to her role in season one), and that’s it. Boop, onto the next plot point to deal with out of nowhere!
This is at least an actually good moment however, instead of an out of nowhere “what the what??” like Wesley. Back at Chateau Picard, the Admiral and his friends are all preparing for what their lives will now look like in 2024, considering the Borg Queen took their ship last episode. They’re content they’ve secured their future, but there’s also a strange melancholy—Raffi and Seven have each other, and Rios now has Teresa and her son, but Picard, after learning to be so open with the people he loves from Tallinn, is all alone... until Q shows up, that is. And what we get is not one last trade of barbs, but arguably one of the strongest scenes not just in this season, but in the entirety of the show.
It’s a wonderfully tender and loving performance from John de Lancie, who conducts what are to be Q’s final moments with Picard with an elegant grace—revealing to the man the reason for all these games was not to test, but to teach Picard to love himself as much as those around him, Q included, love him. He doesn’t say love, of course, but the scene absolutely plays out as something incredibly intimate and romantic between the two men. That in confronting his family’s past and his trauma with his mother, Q believes, he can now face death knowing that Picard, one of his favorite people in the entire cosmos, has a chance at a happy future. Q decides he’ll use what little remains of his energy he has left to die in an act that will transport Picard, Raffi, and Seven back to the 24th Century in the process—after Rios decides to stay back in 2024 to be with the person Picard’s mentorship allowed him to find, and love—and it’s a genuinely touching finale for a character that’s persisted mostly as a bit of comedic relief over decades and decades of Star Trek appearances.
And yet, once again, Picard isn’t over just yet—and it’s arguably saved some of its most batshit moments for last. Seven, Raffi, and Picard all find themselves transported by Q’s sacrifice back on the Stargazer where they left it at the end of the season premiere: about to seemingly die at the hands of the Borg Queen. But then, at a breakneck pace, the scene just explodes: it’s not the Queen, it’s Borg Jurati! She’s here not to be evil, but to warn the Federation of an impending giant space hole that’s gonna kill billions of people with a blast! But also the space hole can be fixed by the actually not really-that-big Starfleet taskforce linking their shields up to stop the blast! Seven of Nine gets a Starfleet field commission to become a Captain! Oh, and Elnor’s back too! But they gotta stop the blast! And they do! The Federation is saved! And this is... five minutes of screen time, maybe? On the one hand, yes it does conveniently tie the entire season back together thanks to a causal loop, and it’s a fun way to have the decision for Jurati and the Borg to merge to turn over a new leaf last episode have an immediate ramification, for the better. But it all happens so fast that you just can’t take it in properly, especially right after the tender, emotional farewell between Picard and Q just before all this but,
You don’t even have time to relish in that, either, because the episode ends on an even wilder reveal: the space hole and its associated fallout was actually the creation of a new Transwarp Conduit—the method of FTL travel through interconnected subspace tunnels the Borg heavily used in Voyager—but, the Borg don’t know who made it. So, Queen-Jurati offers a proposal: the Borg Collective wants an alliance and temporary membership into the Federation while they deal with whoever and whatever made the conduit, together. It’s wild. Last week I said I was unsure just how Star Trek could possibly deliver on the bold idea of essentially negating one of its most iconic villains in the entire franchise’s history—it’s like the transition the Klingons made between TOS and TNG, but on a factor of 10 considering how much longer the Borg were the ultimate evil of the franchise—and yet, here we are, it’s seemingly doing it an episode later. Obviously, there’s caveats: Queen-Jurati makes it clear this is not an entirely permanent status quo, but at the same time, her demeanor as the new leader of the Borg Collective is unlike anything we’ve seen from the Borg in the past. There is, seemingly, genuine evolution here—and that’s an incredibly exciting set-up going into Picard’s third and final season. When you actually get a few minutes to breathe and think about it as the episode concludes, it’s quite a lovely way to tie together this season’s themes about connection and openness with other people.
But when you go over the hole jumbled mess you realise that it really is “Farewell” to quality of writing. When you get a chance to hone in on individual moments and ideas, they work, and in some cases, are even actually really quite good and full of potential. But the episode itself does not give you the chance to hone in on those moments, because as a whole it is absolutely and utterly bizarre. The pacing and tonal disconnect as it flitters from one unconnected moment to the next is such a rollercoaster that it, taken as that whole, can’t be anything other than a complete mess. It’s just like someone proverbially dumping what was left to deal with this season on the floor and then yelling “HEY REMEMBER WHEN WE SAID THE TNG CREW WAS BACK NEXT SEASON YEAH SEE YOU THEN BYEEEE!” as they ran out the door.
Star Trek: Picard Season Finale May Be One
of the Most Unhinged Hours of Television
This Year.
Was that stuff dealt with? Yeah. But it’s just dealt with it so weirdly that the good ideas and the promise of it gets lost in the muddiness of just what a wild episode of TV this was. We’ll have to see how it all plays out, now that we know that Picard’s third and final season has some truly big ideas and ramifications to play with—and that’s even before all of Jean-Luc’s friends come back for one last huzzah. Hopefully though, next season being the last means that we can ask for one thing: maybe pace things a little better so we don’t have to have such a bananas finale again?
This season was a complete mess. Picard's trauma, Rios' plotthread... unnecessary. Soong's plot seemed rehearsed from other shows.
Two positives: Jurati, and Q's conversation with Picard in episode 10. But that's hardly enough to carry a whole season.
wtaf was that? Words fail me.
Star Trek, for me, is more than just another TV show. I have certain expectations when I watch it. And maybe I'm to blame for that.
I listen to the dialogue carefully, trying to find clues as to what the story will be. Looking for some hidden information that might lead me to what the writers are up to when they throw in some references. I have discussions with my fellow Trek friends and we exchange our ideas, throwing back and forth concepts of what might happen next. Talking about the decissions made by the characters and the issues shown. And even for decade old episodes we still find new ways to look at them despite having talked about it at length.
But this isn't that kind of Star Trek any more. This isn't multi layered and deep story telling. It's blunt and in your face. Many things spoken of in dialogue are just that - things spoken. With no double meaning. It tries to grap attention with shocking revelations instead of delivering a silent message that you need to work out and understand. They throw in a lot of stuff not needed for the main plot just so everyone has something to do. As much as I like some of the characters, given the choice, I would scratch them completely to go on with the important stuff.
There are a couple of minutes in some episodes that I liked but they never really go through with it. Maybe someday someone does an edit removing all the ballast.
Just so we understand each other, I do critisize older Star Trek episode as well if I feel the need to. I have critized a whole show for that matter. So it's not that I dismiss this just because it's new. But I don't feel the writers seem to care or acknowledge the past stories. They are screwing facts around from those early shows to make their new ideas work. They don't think about if it makes sense. And that I don't like.
Now I'm faced with a difficult decision knowing there is another season coming with characters I hold dear. And I'm afraid they will do the same to them, turning them into something they are not.
But I know that ultimately my curiosity will get the best of me.
This 2nd season is a chaotic letdown after the 1st one. And it continues to digress with each passing episode...
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Hurrah! At last a proper Star Trek series! This is everything the absolutely awful Discovery was not. Looking forward to the coming episodes!