One word.
Beatiful.
But one big plot hole, wasn't Agnes, a friend of humanity the borg queen.
Were they another faction?
I hope they tie that well....
Aww, this must have been a gift to the actors as well, a true nostalgia ride and testimonial. Their reactions might have even been sincere in a way - oh to be back "home", these grey-haired oldies (too old for assimilation!), after so many years!
I said earlier this was the best Trek I have seen in years. Edit - this is the best ever.
I think a more accurate name for this series is Star Trek: Nostalgia
I can see very interesting plot elements coming back, but one plothole (of many) is I thought the Queen died. So, unless Agnes is this queen and changed her stance to killing people, then I'm curious how Agnes' borg faction (and Seven's queenness when she took over the derelict Borg cube before) will play into this.
Another plothole is where are the "Reapers" from season 1 coming back, you know those Romulan Gods of destruction robot squids coming out of the portal that just disappeared? Wonder if they'll be used again.
Geordi walks on the bridge... Every Star Trek fan with an Amazon Echo lights turn on. (one of those you know, you know). What a tribute to the fans. Absolutely phenomenal.
The final reveal at the end...perfect. Got a bit teary eyed seeing her again
This is an epic one!
The only positive aspect is the ship. But that's enough.
Somebody said it was a fairly good build ruined by the terrible plot twist(s). Fairly good build? It’s been nothing short of a trainwreck. Childish acting that seems to be meant for, well, children, terrible plots, same old tired “jokes,” milking the nostalgia absolutely dry. Jack and Shaw are the only decently written characters, almost like they’re written by adults while the rest are a lower school experiment. Everything is a child’s problem, always dealing with extremes, that is solved with a hero-mode solution. I feel like movies with The Rock have more depth and nuance.
Oh wow, it’s the Borg! NOBODY saw that coming. Spoon feeding it the whole way till the very last moment, “all the roots are connected.” When she opened the door and ran away upset like a little girl I was like, let’s see what stupidity they will come up with. Honestly, even so I was still disappointed. Then Picard, who was ready to sacrifice 500+ crew because “he’s my son,” logic and ethics be damned, earlier this season, turns on Jack like he’s a stranger. Good thing big-brains Dianna brought up “protocols,” old-man Picard had no idea and was surprised of such a thing. Wasn’t he supposed to be an android? I guess it’s the world’s most un-android-like android.
The kicker? The Enterprise-D is, are you ready for this, are you FRIGGING KIDDING ME WITH THIS ISH.. “analog!” !?!?!?!?!?! Geordi, Worst Acting Ever by a Mile Geordi, the one delivering the worst lines including this one, is troubled by the loss of two daughters for all of 5 seconds. How can people applause this garbage?
I’m sorry, I just can’t with this show. It was such a mistake to watch it, I’m now questioning if Picard’s arc, TNG, was always like this. It was a different time, both in general and in my age, but I really, really wish I hadn’t watched this. I wish I could just stop thinking about it and just “enjoy it” like some of my less concerned friends, but I just can’t, the reason I was always attracted to ST was because it made me think. I was a child when I watched TNG. Seems like it was always written for that age.
P. S. Any hams out there, did you catch the “transceiver and receiver” they said twice? :joy: This show was written by the Department of Writing for sure.
Disappointed that the big bad is The Borg again, as we sufficiently put that plotline to bed last season. But otherwise, another outstanding episode that felt like home. Dammit, though, I want Chief O'Brien!
How could you not have melted inside the moment you saw that old bird one last time? It was only natural that in the end this would boil down to the borg but I think almost everyone had them as their number one suspect for weeks. What a victory this episode was for any of us with varying degrees of grey in our hair eh? Oh how I look forward to next week, with tissues in hand and a lump in my throat, we're at the end my friends. Buckle up, it's going to be the ride of our lives.
I could do with more of this. Phenomenal :pray_tone1:
Was that ending just pure and utter fan service? Yes. Do I remotely care? No.
Can’t wait for the next episode. That was almost epic.
„I hope we die quickly.“
So it's true. Gen Z will be the end of us all :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
I knew that voice sounded Borgy! And if I'm not mistaken... I'm pretty sure that was THE Borg Queen. As in the original actor Alice Krige! In an episode of nostalgia it had to be so.
Seven got the field promotion I've been waiting for all season (and I got a bit misty eyed at Shaw finally adressing her as such)
OK, how many emotion changes are possible anger and happy at the same time then boom crying... sheesh. This episode was a ride and an experience I couldn't hope to copy again.
Well, I'm crying. EPIC, 20/10
So, of course Jack's essentially a Borg transmitter, he inherited some sort of Borg code that lies dormant in Picard. And the Borg used the changelings in order to infect every SF-officer with a dormant Borg DNA-strain that only needs activation - but activation only works in those whose brain isn't done developing yet, essentially kids and young adults who then take over the ships. And all the SF-ships are now interconnected which makes a crew useless anyway, so why bother with crews. Finally, Shelby as admiral on the Enterprise-F is rolling out that borglike collective interconnection while the old crew returns to the Enterprise D (not connected) to fight the massive Borg ship that's pulling the strings.
The plot is just stupid, sorry. First of all, they all didn't watch BSG, I guess, regarding the networked ships. And Shelby's implementing the Borg-like technology on the ships and doesn't find anything strange about that? Where do the replaced high ranking officers come into play? I mean, why replace Tuvok with a changeling when their job was to rewrite the transporters and introduce Picard's latent Borg DNA? That doesn't make much sense plotwise.
Of course, the realization what Jack is is harrowing but let's be honest, we spent 8 episodes with Vadic, and now the main enemy is to be solved in 2 episodes? That's unbalanced and rushed. And we know that Jack's not going to end up as Borg forever, the only question is if everyone of the old crew's going to survive or if Picard's supposed to sacrifice himself for his son etc.
Again, there were great moments such as the return to the Enterprise D - again, huge smile on my face. But contrasting the previous episode, that smile couldn't alleviate my disappointment at the plot holes.
It makes sense. It all doesn't make perfect sense. And i have some problems like supposedly most or all the older officers on most of the Starfleet ships are now killed? WOT? That would massively impact the future of Starfleet. But i guess it's acceptable, because i guess a lot of other officers will get promotedor come out of retirement to lead, rather than Starfleet having mostly young captains.
With two episodes left, i think they explained the reasoning behind EVERYTHING very very well here with the borg. I love the borg, but i do miss the old, scary, cybernetic borg. But eh, this is a pretty good plot though, and mystery as well. I like most of what's happened. I'm not sure about Jack being assimilated though JUST like his father, and he may be in charge of a massacre JUST like his father.
Plus, like i said, i have some problems, like all this hunting for Jack, and how exactly did this rogue faction of changelings make an alliance with the borg? Or this rogue faction of the borg? What are these borg like? Why did Jack go right to them? And the borg just appeared out of nowhere due to a transwarp conduit, the technology of which i was always kind of iffy or confused on. Like can the borg just appear anywhere due to it? How does any of it work or make sense in the context of what's happened in the past.
A lot of little things don't make sense or i feel mixed about. And the biological technology from the borg and assimilation doesn't make a lot of sense. But there's enough overall sense for me to accept and for me to keep being entertained. To keep me immersed and believing in the scenario, and that affects my enjoyment a lot, even as someone who is a stickler for things needing to make sense! And be consistent! And in this episode i feel there was enough things making sense, combined with the entertainment, that this was a good episode.
And god, the fanservice is just incredible. Holy jesus they are making up for the previous two seasons and how Star Trek has been as a whole for the past 20 years, which has not been my Star Trek. But this season is reminiscent of my Star Trek, and i am getting so much fanservice, it just feels incredible. Holy shit. FINALLY i am catered too. I didn't even think this was possible. But it's happened. This has been a good season, and will forever be so in my view. It's not a great one. I would have loved the borg to be much more explored in the season, and for them to be more of their old selves as i talked about before. And i would have liked more exploration of the politics or paranoia about the changelings, or just better overall storylines and villain characters in the season (though i liked Amanda Plummer, even if i think she was overused), or more character development for the main characters (i guess), but it's still a good story and mystery that we have already been given in the season, and i can't wait for the finale.
The end proved that they do have light bulbs and they can light a scene. This makes it even more unacceptable that they do not light the other ships or I should say the entire series correctly. Just few days ago I say an episode of The Orville and was amazed how different and better it looked. You don't have to light everything with a flat light like they did in the original series.
Just a few noteworthy things:
1) Well damn, speculation confirmed.
2) Ooh, Jack really said, "resistance is futile", baby boy should have a word with his aunties Seven and Anges, for some clarity.
3) ALICE KRIGE!!!!!!! I'd recognise THE OG Borg queen's voice anywhere! I also reckon Vadic's cadaver was assimilated into this alt borg queen, and Agnes will make an appeareance in the finale to claim her rightful throne.
4) Well, shit, Starfleet totally fucked up.
5) Seven of Nine calling Data a "robot", oh the irony! (pun very much intended)
6) I loved hating Shaw, but oh man, it hit me in the gut to watch him go, and then he said her name, OOF!
7) Everyone, standing there at their old posts on the Enterprise D... look, as someone else said, just rename the show "The Nostalgia Generation" because they're killing me with these feels, man!
8) I have been deceased (until the finale).
I rate this an 8/10 - because as enjoyable as it was, it really was mostly nostalgic moments, and a lacklustre reveal of the origin of Jack's powers. It's understandable that they want to drag it out, but the episode would have benefitted from more action and a bit less exposition.
First of all people have teased the Borgs have been involved. But it still feels like season 2 is been retconned. Hope they pull it off to tidy that up in the last episode.
Second, they could've handled the whole affair better, the choice of villains feels a bit hap hazardly in this episode's light.
And Jack just seems totally unlucky. Makeing the wrong choice at every turn.
Edit:
And Thirdly, I can't forgive them for killing off Shaw. The internet was teasing me with possible spin offs.
Lots of elements here are quite similar to Battlestar Galactica. The old ship that isn't networked? Robots suddenly without warning taking over human civilization / destroying planetary defences…
Also, can you really fly a big ship like the enterprise with half a dozen people? Don't you need people down in Engineering and in other parts of the ship to keep it running? Can't really say anything bad about bringing that ship back for one more go though… Hopefully the success of this season might mean we'll get a bit more of Voyager and DS9 too…
I think they could have gotten to this point a lot sooner — going to have to wrap up this major turn of events in a single episode; should have given it more time… didn't need 5 episodes with the cat and mouse game in the nebula.
Yea, turns out to be the Borg yet again, but i) the Borg are the best villain to ever come out of Star Trek and definitely one of the best villains in any sci-fi, ii) the first two seasons really shouldn't count.
I really hoped it wasn’t The Borg but it’s still a great episode.
[4.8/10] Stupid stupid stupid. Why does it always have to be the Borg? Why does it always have to be some random, shocking twist instead of just sticking to what you’ve built to through the prior eight episodes? Why must it be chock full of credulity-straining retcons and cheesy coincidences?
The plot twists here are dumb as hell. The whole biological Borg “seed” being implanted in Picard’s never-before-seen son retcon absolutely breaks my willing suspension of disbelief for how convenient it is. The Borg getting a biological assimilation upgrade that basically lets them flip a switch and assimilate everybody is a cheap bit. And god, the fact that it only affects people under 25 is such a convenient dodge to get the old crew in the driver’s seat.
If that weren’t enough, the nostalgia-pushing here is so blunt and obvious. Yes, it’s very cool to see the Enterprise-D again, to hear Majel Barrett’s voice as the computer again, and to see that set recreated with familiar faces standing on it, ready to go defend none other than the now-Admiral Shelby. But the method to get there is so unearned, so full of psychological and narrative gymnastics to arrive at this destination, that the warm feelings built from seven seasons of the old show are muted by this new one’s transparent attempt to invoke them to cover for its dumb twists and reheated conflicts.
This one’s not without its pleasures. Shaw sacrificing himself and calling Seven by her real name is a nice and well-earned moment. Data’s “I hope we die quickly!” declaration is a solid laugh. I’m glad to see Shelby in live action again and to get a reference to the USS Pulaski.
But this episode all but squanders the goodwill and good work the show’s managed to pull off over the course of season 3. After finding ways to channel high points and fond memories for the old show to tell new stories and move things forward, why are we back to Star Trek: Picard’s mind-numbing plot twists and threadbare nostalgia? What a waste of a fairly good build to this point.
Epic episode! But I wonder why there are so many younglings on the bridge. How much experience could they possible have to end up there...
That's the explanation behind the "body theft" and the red door. Really? That was the big mystery? Borg implanted a bio-weapon in Picard that is inherited by his son? Is that why he's such an unlikable dork? And how does this work exactly? Communications with the Borg queen, taking over the mind and body of others? I guess this will never be explained. It's just a gimmick. A mystery designed to produce cliffhangers w/o having an actual meaning. And forgive me to ask this but does that mean that the Founders (or what's left of them) are allied to the Borg? And if you think about this: the whole story when Changelings were trying to capture Jake was meaningless. The whole 7 epiosdes long cat and mouse game was meaningless. Eventually, it's only after Frau Greta Farbissina and her ship was destroyed that the Queen got hold of Jake within no time cause he had some sort of homing beacon. No changelings needed. They were only needed to implant malicious code into transporter systems (they are glorified hackers then?) So it's again the Borg that want to take over the world? Btw: why does Troi brief the others and doesn't talk to her "patient" in person? Instead she sends Picard who immediately escalates the situation. He's a very good father - not. Briefly I had the hope that the Borg are an honest attempt to connect seasons 2 and 3. But that hope is quickly destroyed! What do you mean they haven't seen the Borg in quite a while? They literally encountered them last season! This show isn't able to produce a coherent storyline. This third season makes me think even more negative about the mess that was season two. If only season 2 was somewhat connected to the third season. I imagine that writers just continued their pattern: the brought back all fan favorites from TNG and now it was time to bring back Trekkies' all time favorite archenemy. (Borg rescued Voyager - maybe it can help to save Picard season 3). And why did they think that they can be dealt with in just two episodes? That feels unbalanced. And when all young officers have already been assimilated and sleeper cells are literally everywhere what does the Queen need Jake for? Obviously they don't need him (or Picard's body) for copying his manipulated DNA . I mean they created this DNA string, they know how to replicate this already. And why does she had to wait for Frontier Day to activate her drones ? It's all too convenient: Jake's return, Frontier Day, the old crew (+a few extras but nobody else) escape, just in time their old ship was rebuild and conveniently it's the only ship capable to do what needs to be done (btw: does "analog" means something different in the future???) I don't get it.... I doubt the writers sanity. Why weren't they able to come up with a at least somewhat believable story that doesn't need to rely on incredible coincidences (in sci-fi genre, it isn't that difficult to plug some plot holes and in general I'm very generous when it comes to inconsistencies in Star Trek)? Instead more nostalgia. For endless minutes they wander around their old workplace. In the middle of a crisis. What more proof do you need that writers don't care about the story? They care about the nostalgia. I said it before, I say it again: That's not a show. That's a Trek convention.
Writers should have watched TNG's conspiracy's Paradise lost/Homefront, TNG's Conspiracy and Apocalypse Rising and build a modernized version based on those episodes.
Unreal. Every time I think that the writers have achieved peak pandering, they manage to top themselves. Of course it's only TNG crew members who exit the Titan. Of course Geordie just happened to finish retrofitting the D right now, using his spare time. Of course NO ONE ELSE ever heard anything about the recovery of the saucer section. Of course it's the last ship not tied to the new system. Of course they're going to take it for one last spin, completely untested.This episode was going pretty well until they decided, in the last act, to abandon a solid narrative in favor of trying to win a popularity contest by sucking up to the subset of fans who desire nostalgia more than anything else.
10+/10
Greatness On A
Different Level.
In the words of Tilly
from
Star Trek Discovery
"That was so Fcuking
Cool".
"PERFECTION"
that's what this season
alone has been,
forget the piss-poor
Appalling
S1 and S2.
What an Epic Epic
episode this one was
Wow,
It was the gift that
Kept on giving
and then some,
Absolute
Awesomness on top of
Awesome.
I have not the words to
Articulate how amazing
and Epic and well
thought out and written
this season/episode
is.
I don't fully bloody understand
exactly what's going on
But I'm Loving every single second
of it, Hella Yeah.
"Oh She'll Fly"
"FEELS"
And Now The
Season Finale of
Star Trek Picard
After a lackluster and disappointing first season, regarding the Borg, it was with extreme awe and excitement that I now witness their sneaky, carefully planned, masterfully executed and most astounding comeback!
(But where's Agnes?)
And, yes, the carpet. Ah, the carpet... So very lovely to have some carpet on the bridge, again.
Ah! They took his girls!
This should habe been two episodes.
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I'm not crying, you are. :sob: