I liked this one. Chakotay clearly loved getting to spend time immersed in a new culture, and I'm glad that even Seven warmed up to the people after a bit (although isn't she supposed to be pretty strong? why'd the group of Ventu guys have to haul the deflector array up the hill while she just kinda walked alongside?). Of course the Ledosians acted like they'd come so far as a civilization, but there was that expedition down on the planet like a pack of hyenas as soon as the barrier went down.
I love Tom being having to go back for a pilots lessons lol the entire show he has been boosted as the best pilot voyager has to offer and now he has to go back to school for being inadequate.
Chakotay and Seven on an away mission together after that fantasy :rolling_eyes:
He’s annoying and he always puts people in danger for his own curiosity.
Why the hell didn't Chakotay and Seven pull up after hitting the barrier. It covers thousands of square kilometers but they keep bouncing off it like the expect it to have moved or not be there. That is about the stupidest thing we have seen on Voyager in a long line of stupid things...
What is wrong with Seven? Is she incapable of looking down? You're in the forest, dumbass. There are things on the ground you can trip over! It's like having bulkheads in a ship, you have to know when to pick your feet up!
And what is up with Janeway asking about feedback when they detonate a torpedo? You are blowing the torpedo up, there isn't anything there to be fed back into!
Wow, the writing on this episode is horrible!
Neither the A nor the B story are interesting, and on top of that they aren't very well written. There isn't much going for this episode except maybe the indigenous peoples. Their sign language was fun and easy to understand.
And tell the damn instructor to go pound sand.
I like this one, too. Instead of some grand catastrophe or threat to the ship we deal with something very important here.
There are still some places on Earth that haven't been touched, some even inhabited. But corporations are licking their lips to get in there and destroy it in the name of progress when all they think of is money.
Good to see Seven developing some sort of friendship with that girl. The part with Tom taking lessons was rather boring. Supposed to be funny I guess but all it does is take away time from the main story.
Best thing about this episode was the instructor.
So much for the prime directive :joy:
I missed the set-up but caught it from the point that Seven wakes up. It's a pretty straightforward examination of encroachment of "superior" civilization into native hunter-gatherer populations, but it's a decent watch, and there's a marked lack of tension between Seven and Janeway, which, in this particular case, is owed to her actual growth as a rehabilitating ex-Borg over time, and her growth from her experiences in this episode. There's also some really pleasant moments/a bit of detectable chemistry between Chakotay and Seven here. However you interpret it, it's a nice moment, with some pleasant candor from both of them, and Jerry Ryan gets to finally show a little of her natural charm.
As far as the "message", I don't think anyone could accuse them of being heavy handed with their attempt. I don't think I ever caught this the first time around, and I'm not sure it would have done enough to convince me of my, at the time, modernist chauvinism, as the allusions to the effects of encroachment amounted to about a single sentence.
Gosh, that's vision quest / native American territory. Everyone has his or her role to play - no matter what happened before. Chakotay is trapped. This episode makes painfully clear how bad the show handles character devolopment and how isolated some episodes really are. I mean, isn't that obvious that they should have used the previous holo-romance between Seven and holo-Chakotay to make this episode better? There's more than one way they could have capitalized on this awkward "prequel". Still, I like this episode. Seven saves the day again. I like how she "integrates" into this primitive society (our amateur ethnologist works solely as a contrast - he's not really important).
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Contrary to wpafbo79, who I’ve seen ranting on so many episodes that I wonder why he even watches this series, I found it a great episode.
There may be some inconsistencies over multiple episodes, but the overall plots and story evolvement is good. Apart from that, Voyager and its crew feel like family and definitely have a place in my heart.
Specific to this episode, Seven continues to expand her knowledge and understanding outside her comfort zone, further developing as a character and it was nice to see Chakotay in a habitat he enjoys again.
It also shows the human-like greed when the technologically advanced people immediately want to “help” the native people by expressing intent to force their “civilization” onto them when the barrier was down.