Wow. One of the strongest episodes yet. Every scene felt tense and powerful. This show is revolutionalising Star Wars
Denise Gough as efficient fascist lady Dedra Meero is scarily good in the role. Great casting and event better acting. That slight face muscle twitch before leaving the interrogation room, damn.
How many guards on each level?
Well, the fuse is lit and I expect there will be an explosion of sorts next week.
The tension and build up is again what keeps the ball rolling. You are given just enough to be on the edge yet don't get bored. The acting was really great. You could see the doubt rising in Kino about what will happen once you reach the end of your sentence. We saw a very dark side of Dedra interrogating Bix. And Syril is about to break (with that mother, who could blame him ?). He will be a major player in the story I think. And the result could be devastating.
We discover that Val is Mon's cousin. Not a huge surprise but I still found it interesting how the connections are revealed. I found the scene in the Senat Chamber with Mon especially depressing as it shows again a connection to our time. I'm not used seeing that from Star Wars but they are doing it right and I like that. And althought it was different in a way, it reminded me of Padmé speaking in that same Chambers:
"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."
which I think is one of the best quotes out of Star Wars. And the scene now seems to be picking up on that liberty is now really dead.
I wonder when they will discover that they already have Andor in custody. Probably after the break. But it makes sense that in a system like the Empire such details get lost in the amount of information at hand. Althought I found the reference "he was shaven and had money and the rebels on Adhani were shaven, too" a bit ridiculous.
Doctor Gorst being played as an inquisitive twink nerd is so much creepier than if they went the standard over-the-top psychotic doctor route
This might be an unpopular opinion but this was another boring episode for me. I'll try to explain where the glove doesn't fit for me. I like Star Wars, but I'm not a super fan. I like the simple adventure stories and the action, but I was never really interested in the politics behind it. This show has quite a strong focus on the political side of things and that's where it loses me every time.
[7.6/10] The prison story here is my favorite for a simple reason -- it’s ultimately a character story, and about someone you might not expect. Yes, it’s Andor instigating the doubts and trying to find a way to break out of this shithole of a factory. But it’s ultimately a story about convincing Kino, who’s become so institutionalized that he buys the company line entirely, that the people promising him his freedom if he flies on the straight and narrow are not only full of crap, they don’t even care about him or any of the prisoners to begin with.
I appreciate that about the progression here. Kino is banking on playing the game. He is a prisoner, but he’s a tool of the guards. He has a little bit of power, and maybe some extra treatment and privileges because of it, so he does their bidding. Andor is an agitator. He’s cutting lines in the bathroom, conspiring with other prisoners to figure out where the floor isn’t electrified, and asking about how many guards are stationed on the floor.
Kino won’t actively punish him, maybe just because the foreman still needs a good worker like Cassian to help keep his shift’s stats up. But he won’t help either. He won’t give up that information. Because he believes in the central idea of this place. If you just stay on the right side of the line and do your job, eventually you’ll get out of here. He tells that to Ulaf, noting that he’s the “short timer” on the floor, with only a handful more shifts until he’s out of there.
And then the lie starts breaking down. Rumors start flying about everyone being deliberately fried on the second level. It’s whispered about at first, but eventually it’s confirmed. One hundred lives, snuffed out in a wave of electricity and burnt flesh. And for what? Because some of them were maybe acting up a bit, some guards thought. That’s it. That’s all it took. All of them gone.
So the lie goes up in smoke. So it turns out the trouble starts when someone who “got out” of level 4 showed up in level 2, and was a walking example of what a canard the idea that you can make it out of here. So Ulaf, who is so close to being free, is worked together and gets euthanized instead of helped when he starts to run into his own limitations. As another inmate says, they’re not men to their captor. They are a part of the machine, cheaper than droids and easier to replace. Kino finally realizes that, in the grim terms of seeing his comrades killed over nothing and his chances to get out evaporate. So his moment of aiding Andor, giving him the details he needs to start planning an escape, are strangely triumphant from someone who was an unquestioning part of that machine to this point.
The whole thing is a searing indictment of the prison industrial complex, taken through the lens of abstraction that speculative fiction provides, but no less piercing in its criticisms of how those who are vulnerable and stripped of their rights are treated in captivity. It’s one of the strongest stories Andor has told this season, which is saying something.
The other material in “Nobody’s Listening” is good, but can’t quite compare. I appreciate the reveal that Cinta’s “rich girl running away from her family” jab at Vel meant more than we thought. It turns out she’s Mon Mothma’s sister, and the two speak in hushed tones about their mutual activities. I like the idea that they’re both working for the Rebellion in different ways, a familial example of how it takes many hands to make this sort of thing happen.
The scene of Meero torturing Bix is suitbly tough to watch. Adria Arjona does a superb job at selling the slowly escalating horror of what she’s being subjected to until its bursts out in a crescendo of pain. The story of the Empire exterminating a planet’s worth of people to install a shipping port, only to weaponize the dying screams of their children, is wholly chilling. But it all does a good job of reinforcing why the Empire is so awful, why Bix would give up this information, and why Meero is not good, even if she’s good at her job.
Again, that’s the cognitive dissonance of this show. Meero is 100% the bad guy, but she’s so good at how she achieves all this, even boosting her assistant in a key moment as she rightly identifies the scheme of the Rebellion and the best way to smoke it out, that you can’t help but be impressed. Karn’s stalker with a crush routine is creepy as hell, especially when he’s yet again mixing up what he attributes to high minded ideals with his personal interests. But you can also get why someone who wants to be Meero, with what she accomplishes for the Empire and how expertly she does it, would mix up those feelings of aspiration with affection. It’s not so easy for the audience, who sees her torturing someone with the debilitating sounds of a people who’ve suffered a genocide.
Overall though, a quality episode that moves a number of interesting pieces in place for the convergence of these different characters and storylines, while also telling a strong individual story of what would provoke someone who’s been indoctrinated to the institutional point of view to have a change of heart.
The star of this episode was Andy Serkis. The mini arc his character went on and transformation he had by the end of the episode was so good. I really like how throughout the show we see as different characters find the motivation to rebel against the empire. You get a real sense of the grounded world of the common people and it’s exciting to see these characters gain the courage to fight back. Also just really loving this prison story arc that the show has going on right now in general, I find it so grounded, tense, and interesting. All around another great episode.
This show is unmatched. The rising tension. The fact that after Star Wars doing interrogation and torture so much it's become rote they made it terrifying and horrific again. The mini character arc for Kino in one episode. The family revelation that makes it so much richer. The last line!!! The acting!!! Especially Serkis as he processes and comes to grip with his lifeline and salvation being a cruel lie! And Gough's indignation and cruelty, the trembling snarl of her lip! And poor poor Arjona selling the trauma Bix is going through! This is television baby!
The cinematography was was tight! The shot of Bix in the interrogation room was intense!
So many great things about this one but it’s impossible not to talk about the setup. We’re getting a Star Wars prison break episode.
Sweet capitulation, "Never more than twelve." Hope from darkness.
Of recent memory, this is the first time I've spaced out the final few episodes of a show because I don't want it to be over. I got tingles at so many points in this episode; the craftsmanship that's gone into fleshing out these characters is phenomenal.
More of this please Disney, I'm not ready for this to be over yet.
Goodness this is the best that star wars has ever been.
I simply love Andor more than the other two spin-offs: the arcs are never to short or too long. If I get the feeling „this arc is getting too long“, it ends soon and the next part is coming. And it’s still exciting and as we can see with drama (which I personally love).
This story arc isn't mine. The slow burning doesn't work here because there just isn't that much of an atmosphere. The prison part is simply repetitive and incredibly predictable. I am happy they finally got to the point.
I like however that Andy Serkis' character is revealed to have more to him than simply being a lapdog and I liked his development in terms of becoming uncertain in regards to his release - or everyone's for that matter. But as I said all very predictable. And I just don't care for the prisoners. Rather I am annoyed that they drag it out so much. Andor will get out because he will experience Rogue One. There is also no visible connection to the rebellion in that story and not even anything that shows a growing motivation in Andor to join the rebellion so far.
The interrogations suffered from Star Wars interrogations being notoriously ungruesome and not fruitful. So I wasn't very invested in that although surprised that Bix actually spilled everything. The connection to the heist that was drawn simply by the fact that he was shaven is a bit farfetched though.
Cassian's trying to bide his time in the labour camp, gathering information for an escape - but he gets bad news, which could lead to new allies, but make escape an apparently hopeless endeavour. Meanwhile, Bix's in Meero's hands and gets tortured for information on Cassian - and Maava's used as bait for him. Meero herself has to face unwanted attention by Cyril. Luthen tries to unite the different rebel factions, starting with Saw Guerrera who plans an attack which the empire gets wind from (and will use as another bait for capturing rebels and revealing the network). Mon Mothma gets a visit by Sartha, and learns that her finances look pretty grim.
Again, a very intense episode. It all looks pretty grim right now... there are only 3 episodes left in this season, and somehow Cassian still has to end up with the rebellion properly. But I have to say, intense talk and preparation is all good and well, but somehow I hope the action will pick up again soon.
this show is making me so fucking insane I adore it on such a deep level. The mon mothma vel reveals, kern's stalker behaviour, the ENTIRE Andy Serkis arc. it's all coming together and it's so beautiful. also why is mr. mothma the worst man ever. out here calling vel and an expired woman and telling her to get a husband. I even forgot about all the bix stuff I did not think they would go there but they did
Another boring episode. Star Wars should be action, not boring soap drama.
7.5/10
The empire is becoming more evil by the day!
I'm glad that Andor mentioned that (human) workers are cheaper than droids and easier to replace. Still doesn't make much sense / doesn't sound realistic to me but I'm glad that they're at least providing a reasoning :)
That no one getting out "twist" at the end was nice ("twist" because it isn't that surprising - I expected that they might simply kill workers instead of releasing them but keeping them is of course better for the Empire - just more difficult to make it work as their only motivation/hope is to eventually get out and you got a problem if that secret gets out).
this show is so fucking good
and Diego Luna is fucking boss
and Andy Serkis is great
and everyone else in the show is killing it too
The desperation drives in slowly... knowing that there's no release from Narkina 5, knowing that there's only an endless cycle of bonded labour and a mirage, a fake promise of hope. Episode 9 makes sure where you stand, emotionally.
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This episode was so bad. Unbelievably bad and boring. The 2 went into 4 and 4 went out into 6? So next 8 is going to explode?! What the f they are talking about?! Give me a break.