He brought me a banana.
Ed?
No, Isaac.
Oh, right.
hahahaha, don't you feel that Isaac is like Sheldon? XDDDD
And that one
I prefer to hear from Commander Lamarr.
That was funny too XD
This episode was so much fun, I think it is one of the greatest one yet!
I just hope the bridge of the Orville has an insurance for water damage.
I got so nostalgic while watching this episode, reminiscing about Data and Tasha...
Already one of my favourite episodes from The Orville, this one was a beautiful take on the classic theme of love between a human and a machine. Where does the programming end and love starts? Truly an episode that will linger in our minds quite some time after watching it, there's a lot to think about.
On the downside of things, I was sad that we lost the chance of having Tom Selleck as a regular aboard The Orville.
They are, indeed, the weirdest ship in the fleet.
This episode has a little bit of everything, romance, drama and especially comedy; it had me laughing uproariously and tearing sorrowfully for Claire and Isaac. This show gets better and better. The Orville is, without a doubt, the weirdest ship in the fleet.
Claire: Let's flip the tables here.
Isaac flips table
Claire: That's not what I meant!
I almost died here :-D
Love this show, never know what to expect.
[7.3/10] I have real mixed feelings about this episode. On the one hand, it picks up on one of my favorite relationships of the series -- the unique dynamic between Dr. Finn and Isaac -- and asks some weighty questions about what it means to love someone. On the other hand, writer/director/star Seth MacFarlane has a 1980s sitcom-level understanding of human relationships, which makes a lot of these beats feel cheesy or even retrograde. On a third hand (presumably from some multi-armed alien), that ending is really wholesome and sincere, and recovers a lot of goodwill the episode loses from giving into certain stereotypes.
That said, I like the premise of this one. The show has long hinted at there being something beyond simple professional courtesy between Isaac and Dr. Finn, so it’s nice to see the show not only pull the trigger on exploring what that means, but devoting a whole episode to it (give or take an odd B-plot about Bortus growing a mustache that feels out of place). What’s more, The Orville often feels like MacFarlane doing Star Trek: The Next Generation cosplay, and this one plays like an extension of the episode where Data tries his hand at dating.
That makes it feel like a bit of retread, but there’s some wrinkles that distinguish “A Happy Refrain.” Not all of them are good, but it’s enough to make this feel like more than a cross-series repeat, and there’s enough to explore in this area to leave room for another show to tackle the ideas at play.
(See also: As a Futurama fan, it was hard not to think about “DON’T DATE ROBOTS!” during this episode.)
At base, the question comes down to this -- what is love? (Hello Haddaway fans!) Is it just a set of inputs and outputs? Is it something a being has to feel? Is it possible in a machine that does not seem to experience emotions?
Those are heady, philosophical questions that are, frankly, beyond The Orville’s ken to be able to resolve. But there’s a thought-provoking exploration of it here, both in terms of Dr. Finn’s responses to her stumbling but often energizing relationship with Isaac, and in Isaac’s efforts to meet Claire’s needs and eventually his own.
There’s some sitcom-stlye comedy there that doesn't always work. Isaac learns that he needs to be more spontaneous...so he shows up in Dr. Finn’s quarters at 3 A.M. with a cake!!! (Pause for canned laughter.) He gets advice from LaMarr on how to get out of relationship, and then in the next scene he’s drinking beer on the couch in his underwear and calling Claire fat. (Ugh.) It’s that sort of broad, “Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus” shtick and perspective that really weighs down this episode.
That’s especially true for the dialogue. Good lord, please somebody stop Seth MacFarlane from writing women talking to one another about relationships ever again. It’s hard to put my finger on what feels so tone deaf about the scenes where Dr. Finn, Grayson, and Talla (who’s been slotted into the show’s web of friendships with essentially not transition) chatting about relationship stuff, but the conversations lack the ring of truth. Likewise, Isaac getting advice from LaMarr and Malloy has cheesy dudebro stuff throughout as well. Frankly, the rest of the crew’s reaction makes this group of (theoretically) distinguished officers feel like a bunch of tittering highschoolers, and as a result, a lot of the material here lacks the emotional maturity required to realize the full potential of the subject matter.
At the same time though, there’s some really strong points to the trajectory between Dr. Finn and Isaac. The show does a good job of interrogating whether Claire’s feelings for Isaac are real or whether she’s just projecting her feelings onto him because he unwittingly fills a particular space in her life that’s normally filled by a romantic partner. For his part, Isaac treats the prospect of dating Dr. Finn like a science experiment, which is on brand for him and makes for an interesting clash of intentions.
What follows is an interesting rhythm for their courtship. Claire initiates in order to see whether there’s something there to support her feelings. Isaac agrees and, in typical “technically correct but clueless” fashion, analyzes everything about her from her personnel logs in order to put together the perfect date. His efforts have the opposite effect, robbing Claire of the joys of a couple getting to know one another and making her realize that she can’t really forge a human connection with a faceless robot.
And yet, Isaac adjusts to meet her needs. Despite the failed attempt at spontaneity, he not only deletes his memories of her personal history so the two can chat, but he adopts a more human guise during the simulator to put Claire at ease and help meet her needs in a partner. (It’s a nice excuse to put Mark Jackson and, eventually, Norm MacDonald on set without their usual costumes and CGI.)
What comes next happens unnaturally fast as the two sleep together, leading to Isaac deciding that his experiment is complete and alienating Claire with his cornball attempt at being a bad boyfriend. It’s here where the episode really suffers. Beyond the implausibility and hackiness of how all of this goes down, the “You got what you wanted so you’re leaving” parallel with Claire is just too much.
The funny thing is that the same tack is the strength of the episode -- comparing the fumbling follies of dating to how an emotionless robot might approximate them. “A Happy Refrain” is constantly asking the question of whether that makes them real enough.
We’ve seen how Isaac fills the role of supportive partner in Claire’s life with her and her kids, but is that enough to justify romantic feelings? We see here how Isaac, acknowledging his failures on the date, tries to meet Claire’s needs in more ways than one, being responsive even if it’s not necessarily out of a sense of what we’d traditionally think of as feelings of love on his part. And when he effectively dumps here, as stupid as the execution is, it’s not out of malice, just out of a sense of having completed his purpose.
So much of these actions match the cadence of plenty of real relationships, but with Isaac, the feeling isn’t there. He makes choices, but they’re detached choices. Whether those acts amount to love or connection even if, by definition, there’s no sentiment behind them, is something philosophical, in the best Star Trek tradition, and in many ways, “A Happy Refrain” works best as one of those traditional sci-fi thought experiments.
Ultimately though, The Orville goes for schmaltz, but manages to earn it. However lacking in feelings Isaac may be, the absence of Dr. Finn in his life has an effect on him -- it causes him to make an error, to realize that (thanks to his adaptive programming) he functions better with Claire in his life than apart from her. (It’s a nice homage to a similar bit from Data on TNG acknowledging that certain subroutines spurred by his colleagues can become vital and even missed.)
So he does what so many romcom characters have done before him -- he makes a big dumb gesture that nonetheless wins the heart of the woman he cares for. The episode sets up the (very literal) Singing in the Rain homage so nicely that when the payoff hits, you can’t help but smile. It’s an unexpected dose of sweetness from the robot and justifies him and Dr. Finn continuing as a couple out of a realization, however unusual the path to arriving at it, that Isaac needs Claire. That’s a wholesome resolution to a messy episode, and Malloy’s “We have to be the weirdest ship in the fleet” quip is the perfect button to put on it.
Taken as a whole, this episode leaves plenty of meat on the bone in terms of exploring the philosophical intricacies of whether love can be the product of an array of the constituent parts we think of in healthy relationships -- attentiveness, concern, effort -- or whether it needs to be something more ineffable and truly felt. But it also threads the needle of that question beautifully in its final frame, which fairly or not, excuses plenty of the stumbles to reach that point. I still wish someone else had penned this script, but there’s more good than bad when Dr. Finn and Isaac finally act on their (or at least her) feelings.
I can't believe they made the romance work. The conclusion about relationship in the end is quite deep actually. Also, don't go to guys like Malloy or LaMarr for relationship advices. :)
The only good part of this episode was Norm!
- We are, without a doubt, the weirdest ship in the fleet.
- You freaks leave me out of it [thought the random crew member next to Gordon]
One liners. I LOVE the one liners!
Wow! A great episode....
So much fun and yet so much depth!!!
Season 1 was okay and I was just getting it by the end, but season 2 is so much better, each episode has a deeper meaning to it, but is handled so well that it’s not rammed down your throat!
What makes it even more enjoyable is there’s no PC crap...
Wtf I just watched the i like discovery better
We are without a doubt the weirdest ship in the fleet And that is a good thing.
I remember in the first season the episodes written by Seth were often on the weaker side but he really has stepped up his game. He makes us feel and care for the characters. This was so much fun to watch. It was something that was on the horizon for a long time and I was never sure they should pull the trigger on the idea. Now that they did I think it works and I am curious to see where this leads. And ultimately: aren't we humans not just following our own programming ?
Best episode yet! wholesome ... I loved it!
Someone has a really good agent that got them guaranteed face time in season 2.
Did everyone try the chicken? I thought the chicken was lovely.
It is curious how they have taken the subject. That singing in the rain
Once you get the Environmental Simulator into the picture, it's basically the same as dating a guy with a severe case of aspergers. It's hard to take anything with Isaac in it too seriously, though. I'm reminded of Brainy from Supergirl.
There's so little I can dock this episode for. One of the few flaws I find in this series is that it doesn't treat it's non-white non-normal women fairly. Talla had a super relatable problem of being unable to find a man who could tolerate her being superior to him physically. She suffers from emasculating unintentionally all the men to whom she is attracted with her stature and her ability. It's part of what made Captain Mercer compelling that he's one of the few who didn't care. But now she's gone which sucks because she was one of my favorite characters.
My favorite character was Doctor Claire Finn. She's great. This episode engaged in a trope that's sucked since I was kid even before I was aware of it. It's the trope of the black girl dating the abnormal guy. You see it in Saved by the Bell and Family Matters and all sorts of shows and a few movies. It's also been subverted a lot more lately. But still I've been waiting for this Claire-Issac relationship to come to a boil for a while now. Which is honestly one of the many many many things this show does right. Rather than randomly throwing the two into a relationship for laughs. There's build up. You as a viewer feel like this relationship makes sense. Even if you disagree with it, you can understand why it's happening. That's incredible. Also for a relationship that's quite frankly laughable all the players perform realistically. Realism is something the show is 80:30 on. Sometimes it's amazingly real and sometimes there are family guy style jokes that remind you this is a comedy and not an adventure show.. but it's also an adventure show. Everyone with regard to this relationship acts realistically. Claire most importantly of all is in full awareness that the relationship is crazy. She doesn't have love goggles that make her unable to see Isaac as he is when he does foolish things. One of the things I like about Claire is that unlike most people she's able to explain things to the robot characters. Often people explain things to robots like they're a slow child. They use euphemisms that the robot can't comprehend. They use slang and try to explain the slang with more slang. Claire is clear and to the point with Isaac.
I could go on and on about this episode but it's just so sincere in it's robotic relationship that it works. They don't mock the relationship event though there are many jokes about it ("dating a vaccuum", John and Gordon racing to tell the bridge about the date). There's humor where Claire and Isaac are the butt of the jokes but there's almost none where it's at their expense.
And then in the end there's real tension when Isaac breaks up and then finds himself at less than 100% function. This relationship is based on a premise I hate and yet by the end I'm hoping Isaac evolves and develops a level of attachment to Claire that could be noteworthy. I'm hoping her changes his faceplate potentially. But for now they have the simulator which is to it's benefit child-free.
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The show gets deeper and deeper with each episode.
Asking questions I never thought possible.