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VIP7John Krasinski has proven to have a decent level of craftsmanship behind the camera but this movie proves that he should be kept away from screenwriting.
I’m really surprised at a lot of the positive reviews because the plotting and beats in this movie are super dumb. There is a small hint at the level we are working at when we are with Krasinski on “Day 1” where we get a small peek at life before the aliens came and they make a choice to drop in an Easter egg reference to the toy spaceship that gets his child killed from the first one. It’s a seemingly innocuous little call back, foreshadow, wink, knudge, whatever, but it is a perfect example of the types of choices made in this movie. I mean not to ruin anything but essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me.
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@jimdarko "essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me."
Hey Google, what's "Ocean Current"
LMFAO dude, you just seem to want to hate this movie if you're using that obvious strawman to bash it. hahaha
What's with the bad votes it didn't even come out yet-
Edit: Fair enough.
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@rubilior Plenty of films can be watched before their official release date, most notably on film festivals. Also, release dates are still often at different dates in different countries (and the us. date or country of origin date is also not always the most earliest date.)
Both films are fantastic but second definitely scores higher than the first with more action, better camera work and affects were so much better and definitely was more noisier than the first and loved the ending and hoping it doesn’t end there because I’d love a 3rd movie, back story on the aliens would be nice but wouldn’t mind if they still keep it quiet..
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@cinemanicbonkers I know the Paramount execs vehemently disagree with me on this... But in my mind I have A Quiet Place 1 & 2, Signs, and Bird Box tied into the Cloverfield universe. Makes it that much more interesting for me on a grander scale. Although I also have an alternate theory behind Bird Box that's totally seperate from my Cloverfield dreamscape.
Shout by JimDarko
VIP7John Krasinski has proven to have a decent level of craftsmanship behind the camera but this movie proves that he should be kept away from screenwriting.
I’m really surprised at a lot of the positive reviews because the plotting and beats in this movie are super dumb. There is a small hint at the level we are working at when we are with Krasinski on “Day 1” where we get a small peek at life before the aliens came and they make a choice to drop in an Easter egg reference to the toy spaceship that gets his child killed from the first one. It’s a seemingly innocuous little call back, foreshadow, wink, knudge, whatever, but it is a perfect example of the types of choices made in this movie. I mean not to ruin anything but essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me.
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@abstractlegend I guess the same scenario when someone commits a B&E at your home, and you're caught sleeping upstairs with your pants down. Let's assume you don't own a firearm.... You wake up to the noise, find somewhere safe to hide, remain quiet, pull out your phone, and dial 911. Make sure to put the phone on silent after you hang up though, and again, remain silent!!
Honestly not sure what I was getting into starting this movie. Obviously I am one of the many that are drawn to this because of its stacked cast haha. This movie has a lot of ground to cover; not only is it based off of a book (which is already a challenge in general), it also spans the course of 20 years with like, six separate arcs. It's not surprising that some characters seem a bit shallow compared to others just because of the need to cram as much as possible into a two hour movie. While it's disappointing not being able to dive deep into these characters, the actors do a stellar job at giving us a glimpse. I think every casting choice was perfect, to be honest. Tom Holland leaves behind the dorky cuteness of Spider-Man to fully shine as a twisted protagonist caught in a pressuring, depressing environment. Robert Pattinson blew me away. What the HECK was that accent. I loved it. LMAO.
What really gets me with the film isn't just its overall depressing themes— it's how all those themes tie back to God and religion. Be warned this tackles tough stuff head on: extreme violence, murder, sexual assault/rape, animal abuse, & suicide are all in there. It's frustrating seeing all these characters justify their hypocritical actions with religious intent. It's depressing seeing the more good-hearted characters be gaslit with twisted religious reason. Please do not get me started on Pattinson's character arc, HA. What's worse is that all of these messages that are spread under the guise of the grace of God/God's will/what the Bible says, is that it's not really dramatized. This crap is coursing through Christianity to this day. I was constantly extremely uncomfortable throughout the movie. I started to go down a spiral of just wanting Tom Holland to kill everyone and get it over with, similar to the descent into madness you feel in the Joker as you either cheer Joaquin Phoenix on or wince as he laughs and cries. Either way, this film is definitely a think piece. Does it toe the line of just being trauma porn? Yeah. I think it depends on who you are as a person and how you view it as to whether or not it crosses that line. Catch your pastor preaching about this movie next week lol.
But uhh....BACK TO GENERAL STUFF. The score is absolutely phenomenal. I adored the music. The cinematography is subtle and gorgeous, and the set and costume design seamlessly build this small town world where everyone is related to everyone...ah, gotta love white people. While it is a slower film, I didn't find it to be boring. The suspense and tension built little by little serves for some great showdowns and climaxes between characters. It's a good watch for the cast and if you're into much darker pieces, but it's definitely not for everyone.
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@charlie-r I definitely see where you're coming from. Is it even possible to interpret the Bible or any other religious text with no bias? Words and meanings have gotten lost and mixed up in translation, leaving scholars arguing over the tiniest things that make a world of difference in what a text is saying. People will find comfort in anything they can, and religion is one of the easiest options...but obviously in this movie, people went a little too far with that haha.
Honestly not sure what I was getting into starting this movie. Obviously I am one of the many that are drawn to this because of its stacked cast haha. This movie has a lot of ground to cover; not only is it based off of a book (which is already a challenge in general), it also spans the course of 20 years with like, six separate arcs. It's not surprising that some characters seem a bit shallow compared to others just because of the need to cram as much as possible into a two hour movie. While it's disappointing not being able to dive deep into these characters, the actors do a stellar job at giving us a glimpse. I think every casting choice was perfect, to be honest. Tom Holland leaves behind the dorky cuteness of Spider-Man to fully shine as a twisted protagonist caught in a pressuring, depressing environment. Robert Pattinson blew me away. What the HECK was that accent. I loved it. LMAO.
What really gets me with the film isn't just its overall depressing themes— it's how all those themes tie back to God and religion. Be warned this tackles tough stuff head on: extreme violence, murder, sexual assault/rape, animal abuse, & suicide are all in there. It's frustrating seeing all these characters justify their hypocritical actions with religious intent. It's depressing seeing the more good-hearted characters be gaslit with twisted religious reason. Please do not get me started on Pattinson's character arc, HA. What's worse is that all of these messages that are spread under the guise of the grace of God/God's will/what the Bible says, is that it's not really dramatized. This crap is coursing through Christianity to this day. I was constantly extremely uncomfortable throughout the movie. I started to go down a spiral of just wanting Tom Holland to kill everyone and get it over with, similar to the descent into madness you feel in the Joker as you either cheer Joaquin Phoenix on or wince as he laughs and cries. Either way, this film is definitely a think piece. Does it toe the line of just being trauma porn? Yeah. I think it depends on who you are as a person and how you view it as to whether or not it crosses that line. Catch your pastor preaching about this movie next week lol.
But uhh....BACK TO GENERAL STUFF. The score is absolutely phenomenal. I adored the music. The cinematography is subtle and gorgeous, and the set and costume design seamlessly build this small town world where everyone is related to everyone...ah, gotta love white people. While it is a slower film, I didn't find it to be boring. The suspense and tension built little by little serves for some great showdowns and climaxes between characters. It's a good watch for the cast and if you're into much darker pieces, but it's definitely not for everyone.
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@nomegan Agree with your synopsis wholeheartedly, well, except I didn't see any animal abuse, just that the father, in his misguided attempt at understanding religion thought killing a perfectly good dog was a good sacrifice to offer to God to resurrect his dead wife.
What it ultimately says to me: That religion is so subjective, in that everyone interprets it to suit their own agenda. I don't believe in a mythical man that lives in the skies, unless an alien race visited from the sky a long time ago and our current world religions are the local people's interpretation of them as "Gods". No proof of either, so I am skeptical either way. Ultimately, this film was done well, but says to me that religion is full of the depraved of society that want to be comforted and absolved of guilt for their sins against others.
I expected to get some questions answered and I got almost none of them answered. To say a few:
-Why did Thomas do what he did and more importantly what did he do? This was not elaborated on at all other than the few vague lines and scenes we got on the 1st movie
-Why/How did Thomas and Theresa end up in the maze?
-Was WCKD good or bad? (Maybe this was let up to the viewer)
-What was the whole point of attacking the city other than cool explosions and action shots? This didn’t seem to be a major plot point especially with Thomas being there, Also, who was Lawrence? and why purpose did he serve other than none?
-How did no one at WCKD know about Thomas’s “special immunity”? You’d think they’d test their employees before hiring them given the circumstances.
-Why did it seem like not everyone was on the same page about the cure? That was the purpose of WCKD right?
-Why did Theresa even “betray” them in the first place? I get she just wanted to find a cure but what?I feel like it had potential but it just devolved into mostly mindless action scenes and facepalm moments ( Like Theresa’s death I mean COME ON ) that just watered down the conclusion of a story that had so much potential and had me so interested in the beginning although I will admit Gally's return did surprise me. Nevertheless we never got the Thomas/Ava moment I was hoping for which, in turn, could have also lead to some of explanations to the above questions. Some of the side characters are just there to tug hearts ( RIP Newt ) or to just be there so you have some known faces to look at. All in all not a terrible conclusion to the saga but also not a great one… Just a cliché fest which comes expected with this sort of source material so no mayor points docked there for my taste. Kudos for the VFX, Some of the score and the Direction.
1>3>2
P.S The bus crane scene has been added to my not-even-a-tiny-bit-belivable scenes list cause I don’t care how much movies play around with stuff like physics but they gotta at least try for me. I’m sorry, all of those kids would have died.
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@superrob1500
I'll just simply answer your questions trying my best to mostly talk about the movies not the books. Probably you've already found your answers in the net but I like the series so maybe I'll help whomever.
1) What Thomas did and why was explained (soo quickly) in the end of Scorch Trials, when Mary told everyone that the last time she saw Thomas was when he gave her all the adressess and other things about WCKD and that he did it bc he told her he has enough of the ways WCKD deals with finding the cure
To answer also the 2nd question, Mary also suggests that this is why WCKD threw Thomas into the maze, I figure the same and that they don't have to waste him via prison or murder bc he betrayed them. But to answer this question truthfuly i would give you a major spoiler from books where in is explained to the bone. that Teresa and Thomas created the whole Maze and they knew they will be the last to go there, it was planned all along that they will be the test subjects as well.
3. I think so myself. Frankly, I just watched the movie and I cannot be more conflicted. after reading the series I hated WCKD but after watching the last movie ... They stand for the same way of saving people as the 90% of main characters after who I would stand for and root for in such movies. But simply, I just hated Teresa in both, movies and books, so I cannot root for WCKD xD
4. Lawrence was the guy without a nose. In the books, he was a Crank bully with maybe 3 others to "lead", he had one of the best scenes in the Scorch Trials. He made me fear the heck out of the Cranks not bc they are like zombies but they're "intelligently" mad and ruthless. In the movie he's plot (I figure) is only to literally take dwn WCKD so he brought the best guns t do it. He didn't plan much above the brute force.
5. It was hinted not explained exactly, as I recall in the movies. It was bc of the Maze experience that they could think of trying to do the serum. I think it was in other movies when Ava talked about the brains and the processess that happen in the brain which makes the best possibility of the cure. They couldn't tell before what really make an immune person so they had to gave the same experiences at the same level (amnesia - when you forget all your previous experiences) to figure out what exactly is making an immune person. At the end they were still thinking that all immune people after the horrible experiences could make a cure, but as well as in other things, nature is picky, like there are only carriers of diseases who will never get sick, here there are immunes who will never get sick and a kind of immune-carrier who can make others feel better. Imo ofc
6. If you're talking about Ava/Janson example it is simply that Ava was all about the cure, no price is too big, where Janson was all about power. He wanted to be immune and have the power to give immunity to people he chooses (who can give him the most). If you're talking about why Ava and Teresa had to have meetings with sponsors it's about the research. As they've said. They gave them time and resources but they didn't make anything resembling a cure, so they finally thought about investing in gathering the remains of the healthy people (which I think they should do at the beginning)
7. I hate her so I can get this wrong :D Before the Maze she was strongly with WCKD as is shown when she doesn't understand what Thomas did and why when WCKD took him from her, when he met her in some white room or sth. She forget everything but after they left the Maze she started to remember. Like she said, after seeing her mum she became strongly invested in helping others, that noone have to go through the same thing she did. And she "betrayed" them bc she knew there wasn't talking them down, and she wated the immunes from the maze so she couldn't simply walk away and leave them to their lives. She's similar to ava, she could risk everything for the cure, no matter the cost.
