First! This didn't feel like a dc story at all, more like a corny Christmas story.
It wasn't bad! Just a huge disappointment from what i had expected. Not to mention the numerous laws of physics that were completely fucked
This was supposed to save cinemas? Oh my.
Pedro Pascal did steal the show though.
Starts off well and then starts takin itself too seriously.
Wish it had the campy fun of the 1st movie.
Despite that it’s a good one time watch. Gal gadot is great.
Also, why was this movie set in 1984? No logic to it. Could have been 1994, 1974, 1964. Wouldn’t have made a difference.:smirk:
This is definitely a step back, this is Spider man Homecoming level, it's entertaining but nothing else.
Boring AF. I love Pascal, but this was sad.
Was largely bored, and felt that about a third of the film could (perhaps should?) have been cut to tighten it up for a streaming release.
Felt that my TV didn't provide enough spectacle to the limited action scenes, and feel that I would have enjoyed its limited charms more in the cinema.
I don't want to be rude but this was a bad movie. And saying that today, with Covid and sh*t, makes it worse. Bad plot; mostly fan-service; sometimes bad acting; and too much childish scenes. On the last part I was imaging Avengers asking Thanos "reject your wish" and I felt stupid only by hearing that
So great to see all her Sisters who later fell in battle, Steve, Asteria...the interaction between nerd and popular girl (and, for me, seeing the Ms. Wiig rocking those gold FMP's was totally real and satisfying, even the action scenes)...and to see People being great in times of conflict. 9/10, based on my emotional responses, YMMV.
I have a super power...really feeling it when I watch movies.
This didn't give me the same vibe as the first film, action was good to watch but could of been more, felt the plot was a little cheesy along with Kristen's & Pedro's roles that i didn't think they suited, I enjoyed watching thought and it had some decent moments, cool effects and some good work from the beautiful Gal Gadot too.
Damn. First one was pretty good but this one is probably the worst superhero movie of all time. 2001 Harry Potter has better CGI than this.
Absolute garbage. Dialogue was horrible, the story really made no sense and only got more ridiculous as the film went on. Thank goodness I didn't pay to see this atrocity in the theater.
Very bad. very flat characters. and men are criminals or furniture.For now I have been watching 44 minutes and I am seriously thinking about stopping watching it. I don't think I'm going to miss a lot.
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It's refreshing to see a old school standalone superhero movie with out the silly team ups or interference of another character.
If you thought this was good you're probably one of those people that happily picks up dog shit. Barely 20 minutes of action. I DON"T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT WONDER WOMANS LIFE!!! BEAT SOMEBODIES ASS!!!
Wonder Woman adaptations are such a mess every single time. Boring all the way. The plot is as ridiculous as her making the plane invisible in 2 minutes.
Also, still wonder why is Gal Gadot Wonder Woman, she has the face no doubt, but she's thin and not muscular at all.
OHH Wonder Woman, you sure seem like a Perfectly working Honeywell water heater, furnace and Thermostat! :anger:
I'd love to say "yet another movie plagued by a liberal anti-masculine theme" but this movie is so bad, any message it would try to convey would fall flat on its face. Not to mention the monologue at the end whose message is - most peoples' life sucks, so shut up and take it. Exactly what the liberals and Hollywood wants you to do - pay up and shut up
I wish ... from the bottom of my heart that DC movies be as good as Marvel movies.
Wonder Woman 1984 Review
Spoiler Warning: ......
Wonder Woman 1984
Wonder Woman 1984 failed as an epic super hero blockbuster, failed as a fun piece nostalgia and totally failed as a feminist, girl power story too!
Let’s start with the chosen time period. I personally find the 80s to be the decade I would gladly forget the most. It was corny and had the worst fashion. I personally hate watching movies set in the 80s. Obviously there are exceptions, but in general if the hair, fashion and ridiculousness is way too prominent in the movie, it’s a turn off.
I LOVED the beginning of the movie that took place at home with Diana’s tribe of warrior women, but the second they switched locations and time to that 80s mall, I immediately hated it. UGH! I also HATED the gold outfit! I hated that gold outfit ALOT! Okay, that is my petty complaint. I wish they would have maybe set this movie is the 90s or anything other than the 80s.
My more substantial issues with this movie are maybe problems with the story, writing and directing. For example, I was confused with the villain or villains or maybe lack of a clear villain. Was the villain Barbara or the Maxwell Lord, Black Gold guy? Or was there no real villain other than human desires themselves? The focus is muddled here. Maybe they should have focused on Barbara and made HER the supervillain who made her wish and then hid the stone from Diana. Or maybe Barbara could have wished to be just like Diana but then gotten someone else to wish that Barbara could become the stone or that Barbara could grant the wishes of the world, or something like that.
The point is that Barbara’s character should have been a sufficient villain without involving another character, especially a male character. To make matters worse, not only do they add a second villain who happens to be male, but then she is not strong enough to defeat him herself and she has to rely on human kind to rescind their wishes and for the villain himself to rescind his own wish and willingly, give up his power. For a female super hero to be written this way is super problematic and does not scream girl power to me. Sure, they gave Diana some new powers we haven’t seen yet in the DC movies (which we’ll cover later) but they still make her not sufficiently powerful enough to vanquish the villain on her own strength. (I mean, she is part God and she defeated the God Aries in the last movie, so why is she rendered so helpless to defeat Maxwell Lord?! It’s SO stupid!)
We had to pause the movie at one point and we realized we were only halfway through the movie and we were super irritated that we still had half the movie to go. Maybe if we had been enjoying it more we would not have been so upset to still have to sit through more of it. At two hours and thirty five minutes it was too long. If it had been a better movie, we wouldn’t have cared how long it was, but as it was, if they had completely cut out the Maxwell Lord character the movie would have been more centered AND shorter.
As I mentioned, I loved the beginning of the movie with Diana’s Amazon tribe! I also loved seeing Chris Pine as Steve Trevor back and seeing he and Diana together again romantically as well as fighting side by side at times. I really loved that they gave Diana new powers. The invisibility and the flying should have been a great way to make her more unstoppable. (I wish they had gone in that direction.) On an emotional, level the heart felt goodbye scene between Diana and Steve was so beautiful and heart breaking to watch. It was so well done. It gave them the closure and the goodbye that Diana and Steve did not get the first time around. Seeing Linda Carter during the credits was super fun too! Loved that!
Sadly these few bright spots in the movie did nothing do save it from being an overall disappointment. I wish I could have been happier with this film but the writing and directing choices left the viewer with few choices in opinion. It’s really sad because it could have been so epic and so exciting and emotional, but it wasn’t.
my first reason to watch WW84 is Gal Gadot, second was the VFX and Surround. I got it, watched in IMAX. I am a happy man.
yeah I agree that the ending could have been better but apart from that, all good. rarely some sequels are better than than the prequels, so go easy on my Gal, ok?
Not a good sequel. It has its moments, but the plot is almost laughable. Very disappointing.
The first scene, too long. The next one at the mall, too long -all that lashes up and down, here and there... what dizziness!-, the purpose of the film is as blurry as the story. Everything is ready-made to bring back the character Trevor to life again, but I see no justified script to build a good story, well, it can be a good story, but is convoluted, doesn't fit -IMHO- with a super heroine film.
I liked a bit of the film, but wasn't amusing, generally speaking. I would like that a Wonder Woman film were fun, with adventure and action, not philosophically convoluted and even causing distress at times. Maybe next time... :-D
Even more boring than the first one
Sadly this is still among the best of the DC Universe films and it was just not good. Everything that felt right with the first one seemed to be missing here. They made Diana look like a brat in the opening Olympiad sequence. I get that she had to be taught the moral about lying to use later in the film but her behavior looked like it belonged in an Adam Sandler movie.
The plot device they used to get Steve into this movie was borderline shameful. The TV series handled it better. That is saying something. Everyone has beat up on the production and CGI enough so I don't feel the need to add anything on that. It felt so much longer than its 2.5 hour run time. Bad editing.
Just another hollywood st*pid feminist propaganda. Boring plot, awful characters. Just a feminist who in real life justifies israel occupation and attacks over Palestine. Please Holllywood STOP with this shitty trendy stup*d feminism and make real cinema again. Im watching every time less movies because of these ideological agendas in every movie
Yes, now I know it for sure. DC can't make comics and this was the last one for a long long time for me. I wasn't sure if to even watch this but I did and I regret time spent. Could've used it better. Directory, screenplay, acting, CGI, action...all of it is not even average. Yes, I rated five stars because I saw worse movies. If I rate only in DC universe, then I'd go for three stars rating.
The movie was really meh tbh, more if you compare it to the first one. I personally liked that they used some "classic" stuff from WW like the tiara, the invisible jet, her ability to fly; but they all felt forced. Many inconsistencies i believe, and the ending was very boring. The overall "theme" of the movie wasn't bad, but i think it was bad executed. I give it a +1 for the Post-Credits scene
If you liked the original Wonder Woman (2017) you will most likely enjoy this. Although the new movie is not as good as the first one.
I think part of the disappointment (at least mine), is that we were made to wait so long till it was finally released - i feel that maybe just maybe if they had released it to streaming a lot earlier the build-up and anticipation for the movie would not have ended up being a slight disappointment.
Anyway - Max Lord is virtually a carbon copy of Trump except Max Lord saw the light in the end and renounced his bad, errant ways very much unlike Trump. They claim this similarity was 'not' intentional.
Also, it would have been nice to see more of Cheetah. By the time the Cheetah incarnation of Barbara appears she disappeared all too soon.
And while I'm at it - they had plenty of time to fix the Cheetah CGI but they did not - sadly we don't see too much of her but what we do see is not up to today's CGI standards and had to be shrouded by night and a lot of darkness.
All-in-all this was a slightly disappointing follow-up, but definitely enjoyable.
How I rate:
1-3 :heart: = seriously! don't waste your time
4-6 :heart: = you may or may not enjoy this
7-8 :heart: = I expect you will like this too
9-10 :heart: = movies and TV shows I really love!
Really excellent sequel.
It has plenty of story in it - with some real analogies to today's world and our societal views - and there's enough action to keep it moving along.
I liked that it was 2h30 and we didn't need 1 hour of it to begin everyone's stories. Time was spent on the Kristen Wiig character and she turned out to be excellent in the role (for the first time in a long time).
Gal Gadot is mesmerising to look at in this film more so than at any other time. She was flawless throughout.
I loved the opening section (no spoilers). Anything on the island is fantastic.
And I thought the nod to an aspect of another DC hero towards the end just about tread the line of being cool not cringe.
1984 is a cool time to set it and the music didn't go overboard. They used it really well without flooding it like MTV.
Overall, I loved it. Just the sequel we needed.
8.75/10
I think WW/WW84 are the best DC have. The rest have been crap for the most part.
We’ve seen these villain arcs many times before (Pfeiffer’s Catwoman, Carey’s Riddler, Fox’s Elektro, Thurman’s Poison Ivy and even the Djinn from Wishmaster). Overall an enjoyable movie that could have been 15-30 minutes shorter.
Cheesy, hammy, hopeful, optimistic, warm, fun. It delighted me.
Lucky enough to watch it on the big screen here in Australia.
i have a soft spot for anything 80s and this is 80s on steroids. the plot and action is typical of a standalone superhero comic book adaptation for sure but the cast is likable and engaging. i agree with the sentiments that gal gadot's acting is a little mediocre but on the bright side that makes her good moments very noticeable (her chemistry with chris pine is excellent, for example). i liked the fx, the cgi was good enough that i didn't get jolted out of the movie at any point. i'm loving this one month availability thing through hbo max too—i can't say i have any interest in purchasing this franchise OR renting it for $20 during these covid-19 times. hope more production companies do partnerships like this in the future!
A pretty good movie, with some decent action and a half-decent script. The logic went out of the window at times but this wasn't a major issue, and the same could be said of any number of comic book movies. Reminded me a little of the early Superman movies in its storytelling and feel, and not only because of the decade in which it is set.
Predictable, poor storyline with sh*tty special effects.
Much better than Wonder Woman (2017). The presence of Kristen Wiig and Pedro Pacal in the cast is probably part of the reason. I was also surprised by the music (then I understood when I looked at the credits).
On the negative side:
- Gal Gadot's (poor) acting.
- The final battle seems a bit sloppy.
- The end scene, for some reason, is in December (remember it was July 4 when they left for Egypt).
- The post-credit scene is pointless.
ok so I am not a DC nor a marvel Stan(even though I read my fair share of comics) and I watch these movies for fun.
I loved the first wonder woman, it had nice pace, good imagery and was overall... good. this one.........
I don't hate it but i feel that if they had focused 80% more on the script not being a whole lot of cheesy lines about wishing and truth and more about... I don't know fleshing out ANY of the characters it would have been... good?
if was just a mishmash of weird special effects ( they did Kirstin wiig dirty I'm sorry) and terrible costume and make up. as much as I love Gal Gadot as wonder woman, this one is a very meh movie.
By far the worst DC movie. Such a shame. So bad
Wow!!!!! This was bad. It was part George of the Jungle, part Thundercats, and part someone on a lot of drugs.
So I was expecting it to be bad, but as it turns out it wasn’t. Wonder Woman 1984 doesn’t have kick-ass action sequences like in the first movie, but it still manages to be charming regarding its characters and the story. Particularly the story was pretty interesting with the stone reminiscent of The Monkey’s Paw, which turned the entire world into a real hot mess by granting wishes with a price.
The villain, Max Lord, is a clear stand-out too. Comical, entertaining in a way but also smart, and in the end, the true troublemaker who spreads the influence of the stone by absorbing it into himself. It was interesting too to have a villain who becomes so strong that Wonder Woman can only make him give up on his powers by appealing to his humanity and heart.
The movie is also reminiscent of the Golden and Silver Age of comics with a more absurd storyline and portrayal of characters, but the actors for the most part played their part well enough to sell the charm of this approach well enough. Steve Trevor also returns once again, and I enjoyed his scenes with Diana and him getting used to the modern world and being amazed by it. (What Marvel should’ve done with Captain America, let’s be honest.)
7.5/10
This movie was unmemorable. The plot was lackluster and the resolution was unsatisfying. I don't enjoy stories centered around genie wishes because they are bound to have plotholes.
The worst ,,super-hero'' movie I've ever seen. The storyline is so cheap espacially the end. I feel really bad for Pedro Pascal.
I wish this movie was better. Ouch!
6.5/10 - I was so excited for this ever since the trailer with that special "Blue Monday" version! I was so excited for the first Wonder Woman movie as well as the concept is so promising. Unfortunately this movie wasn't as good as I hoped. I really hoped that the second movie would be better but it was likely even worse (not sure since I didn't have enough motivation to rewatch the first movie).
The soundtrack was nice but I really missed "Blue Monday". Tbh that song was the main reason I was so excited to watch this (I don't think I've heard it before the trailer).
The intro started off really well and I thought everything could work out this time. A nice short monologue by Gal Gadot, beautiful nature shots, young Diana (she was my hero of this movie!), very athletic Amazons - it was awesome! Young Diana did so well and I can really understand her frustration when her spear was taken away for "cheating" (technically it was cheating but I'd call it improvising).
Unfortunately it rapidly went downhill from then on.
The robbery scene was kinda fun but I wish we'd have seen even more of the robbers emotions (the others still seemed decent). The woman screaming "gun!" was a bit strange - I thought that scene took place somewhere in America but I didn't pay attention and given that reaction I guess not?
Diana "flying" around was nice. I thought of flying when I saw those scenes but then she was literally flying at the end.
Steve's return made things a bit better. It was just grounding the show and it was so cool to get to see his reactions to new developments - I really loved that part. And also many fun dialogues ("Well, shit, Diana." xD).
Diana has some cool new powers like making things invisible and later even flying.
And then came two really annoying characters: Barbera and Maxwell.
They're both so cliche and lame...
Nothing new - I feel like I've already seen these two characters in countless other movies and I'm tired of it! At least the moment with Maxwell and his son at the end was sweet but I basically was predictable as well.
Anyway, this movie was just not grounded at all and so over the top IMO! The world basically ended and then magically recovered...
I would've really preferred a simple adventure story with far less extremes. I feel like I don't need anything special - just give me a few cool/funny/etc. Diana moments. Like those scenes at the beginning with young Diana. That was so nice! Why not try to make a whole movie like that? I feel like I don't need a typical and boring story arc with some mighty villain (or other challenge) that basically any movie uses.
And regarding that mid-credits scene: Who the f** is Asteria??? Should I know her? Probably something from the comics(?) which I never read?
PS: So cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEMIKBiDHeo
PPS: And thanks Amazon Prime for making me choose between 4K and the OV... I obviously chose the latter (even though I love 4K) but why can't I watch the OV in 4K (the 4K version was only available in German :o)?!?
Despite DC having a pretty strong track record as of late, this is the only notable disappointment in my opinion. It’s not the worst thing in the world, just unfortunately a step behind the rest. Storyline wasn’t very engaging/original, and the action wasn’t anything special. I was hoping my opinion would change for the better on a rewatch, yet that was not the case. Will there be an audience for this? Sure. But I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone.
Rating: 2/5 - 6.5/10 - Not Recommended to Everyone
movie was way too long. these super hero movies are a dime a dozen and need to be stopped. rubbish
A slow, boring movie with decent or bad performances. It's not worth looking at, even the story is stupid.
A big, dumb superhero movie. Yes, there are plenty of plot holes and things that don't make sense to nitpick at, but that's what made watching this movie fun for me. Get some buddies together and do your best MST3K impression. And really, none of them were so dealbreaking as to wreak the movie for me.
Also, I'm not the biggest WW fanboy, (in fact, I'm more of a Marvel guy) but I really enjoyed all the fan-service/reference bits like the invisible jet. Like, sure, the reasons why are a real stretch, but I appreciate them going to those lengths to squeeze it in.
Wow... this movie sucks HARD
A very bad movie. Incoherent, unnecessarily long, a very poor argument. Bad.
Probably the ugliest looking superhero movie ever made; the colour of it, the CGI, the sets and the costumes. Everything that you see is rotten, drab and somehow guady all at once. Watching this actually made my eyes hurt.
my god what a big flop! All the fighting scenes and CGI are cartoon style, the story is out of a bad 80s sci-fi movie and most of the parts of the movie did not make any sense at all! The finish ? OMG ! the plane ! OMG the so dramatic speech at the end OMG! he actually save mankind by the love of his son which he through out of his building twice?
The villain was so cheesy. 2 hours and 20 minutes and 200M budget! OW! talk about wasting money.
And yes Gadot is gorgeous, but she cannot act not even on a school play. Totally lack of talent.
Be careful what you wish for because it can be fulfilled.
A not bad plot, destroyed by a violation of the laws of physics, excessive tolerance, as well as the MOST terrible motivation of the villain that you can think of. 6/10
DC botches yet another one of their properties with WW84. Set in 1984 (thus a prequel to Justice League), a shady businessman named Maxwell Lord uses a magic stone to grant wishes and increase his power, but the wishes plunge the world into chaos and Dianna Prince is forced to become Wonder Woman once again to stop Lord and save the world. The script is poorly written and doesn’t follow the continuity set up in the Justice League films. And the performances are pretty weak; especially Pedro Pascal, who makes for a rather lame villain (perhaps the worse of the DC Extended Universe films to date). The special effects aren’t very good either. Yet the action sequences are exciting and the fight scenes are kind of fun. Also, there are some amusing comedy moments that work. A dramatic step down from the first film, WW84 is entertaining to a point, but makes a mess out of everything.
To be frank, and I suppose unpleasant, this film is a mess. The opening scenes not only seem to have literally nothing to do with the rest of the story but also make little to no sense. I did not understand what the ‘games’ were about and why on earth did thousands of whooping and fist-pumping (funny how that evolved in a civilisation cut off from the rest of the world) spectators cram into a huge arena to sit whilst A running, jumping, throwing, riding race took place far away from the venue that they could not see or hear, they got brightly coloured banners to tell them who won though. Not only that but a 12-year-old took part against fully grown women and beat them. I get Wonder Women is supposed to be superior even amongst her peers but this was beating everyone around the head with that message to the point of utter wibbly-wobbly dumbness that the whole film never recovered from. I just did not see the point of the opening part of this film.
The action set piece of the mall-store robbery seemed to be for comic effect although it supposedly had a plot point, but once again dumb and badly staged.
Pointing out the scenes that were badly set up or pointless or Basil Exposition heavy in itself is a redundant exercise but from my point of view there were far too many in WW84.
The film is set in 1984 – so instead of just subtly referencing it at points throughout the film we are in fact battered about the head with it, constantly, and childishly. The reason the film is set in 1984? Presumably so they could make as many lame jokes as they could shoe-horn in and because mobile phones make so many perilous situations superfluous.
I really enjoyed Wonder Women, the same director, the same actors, so why does this film looks like someone who is new to directing and producing made it is beyond me. Gal Gadot is lovely to look at, although a bit too unattainable skinny for my liking, and although she will never be award-worthy her acting was okay, in WW84 it is awful and wooden. Perhaps it was the on-the-head clunkers she had spout to make plot and social commentary points throughout the running time. Funnily enough the sentiments and ideology behind the film probably line up more with mine than agin them. After all men have made countless films where they are the hero and women are either love-interest or worse still not in it much at all, female directors are now still only just coming to the fore, superheroes should stand up for all that is fair and right in the whole world and protect the weak and vulnerable from others and themselves. We know in the real world that is never going to happen and probably never will for the rest of the time that humans exist. Having said that just because the story and motives are a bit hokey does not mean that you can make your film a big pile of unwashed pants. Let us make it grounded in some sort of world we know.
Plots holes are to be found in every film, often not because writers and directors do not realise they are there, but because they need to get to point C from point A to tell the story and they hope that the majority of film-goers will not notice due to the film’s overall strength. If your film is weak and uninteresting and full of plot holes, then everyone falls down them. I got tired of climbing out of one only to tumble down the next in WW84. Wonder Women’s powers, when she did not have them weakened to add more peril, seemed to vacillate between indestructible and then a bit crap, the way the ‘lasso of truth’ was presented in the story actually meant she did not need to do anything else but just fling it about here, there and everywhere from her apartment balcony, it could go a long way and was indestructible. She could literally lasso clouds.
I often say, as I am unoriginal and repetitive, that good actors can hold together a weak film like some strong bonding glue. Chris Pine is a good actor, within his range, likewise Kristen Wiig, although my personal jury is out on Pedro Pascal but in this film they all seem to be coasting. Kristen Wiig is good in comedic roles, the slight underdog or overlooked person and clearly that is why she is cast as Barbara Minerva, including the most cliched and horrible, drop my briefcase full of papers signpost early on, then ever colleague and person she meets being really horrible to her, but as a villain she sort of does not cut it. I am hoping Mr Pascal was told to eat every single bit of scenery and play his character as kids Saturday morning show baddy – he seemed to have escaped the clutches of the Power Rangers only to fall into the path of Wonder Women. If he plays Joel in the upcoming Last of US TV like this let’s hope he gets to play golf early on. There is little chemistry on the screen between Pine and Gadot and although he tries desperately to inject some off-kilter humour in his role a lot of it falls flat. Frankly when they are together in romantic scenes they both look a tad bored.
What you see on the screen is not much better. The battles and set pieces are crashy-bashy which is exactly what you want from your super-hero movies but actually I was hoping for more, which is rare for me, some of the CGI is ropey (no pun intended) to say the least. I also had a problem with it being 1984 we had crazy bum-bag fashions and hairstyle thrust into our face and then other characters seemed to have some rather modern style clothing that did not make them look silly when it suited them. The whole feel of the story was off and odd.
The story, well I can rant on about that, but Gal Gadot summed it up near the end of the film. It is the Monkey’s Paw stretched out over two and a half hours.
Anyone who reads my opinions on films, you know who you are, all two of you, will know that superhero films are not my cup of tea. I understand the feel the makers are going for, the audience they need to appeal to, the atheistic of the stories, but how about using some different size and style brushes other than ‘Flat Size 20’? For example, the end of the story the final scenes, I nearly got diabetes watching it. What world was Diane living in, what city or country, it seemed almost to shot deliberately for laughs, as pastiche. It was not.
Also, and it might have been my Blu-Ray, but all the dialogue seemed dubbed, like the entire film’s dialogue was ADRed and then very badly synched. I was distracted. I wear hearing aids I was hoping they had not gone wrong.
I keep reading and hearing the superhero comic book films are for all ages but more adult orientated than others thing. If that is the case WW84 was written and made for those aged about ten.
I cannot recommend this film.
I heard a lot of bad stuff about the second installment of Wonder Woman but after watching it I thought it was actually pretty fun. It definitely was quite different than the first one but I was never bored which is not always a given when a movie has a runtime of over 150 minutes. One negative thing for me were that the special effects did look a bit strange as if the movie was from 20 years ago. But maybe this was intentional, I don‘t know. Still overall I enjoyed the movie.
worst possible movie to end the year with
The first Wonder Woman film was...fine. This one, however, was aggressively bad. At 2.5 hours long, it's too long by about an hour. The first hour is an intense slog. The conflict of the film exists solely from some random macguffin with minimal back story or reason for existence. I know the film wants to say something about the dark side of wish fulfillment, but it's all so heavy handed and cringe-y. Gadot was good as WW, as expected. Pine was fine. Wiig was also...fine. Pascal was surprisingly entertaining simply due to how much scenery he chewed up. The action was Fast & Furious bad, and lacking the fun of those films. I just really struggled to find anything I truly liked and was annoyed by just about everything. If this came out in the 80s, I'd rather watch Superman III than this again (mostly because it's shorter). I also hated that Zimmer recycled John Murphy's "Adagio" (from Sunshine) for one of the few actually good moments of the film. It seemed very lazy. I wanted to love this as I adore the cast and the 80s seemed like a great backdrop, but it was....so, so, so bad....
Okay it teetered on 7, especially through the top long part of morality (if you watch it, you'll know what I'm talking about). But in typical comic book fashion, it ends with a moral message with a happy ending. If you're expecting or hate gothic comic book endings, well DC never falls to end in the high note. Don't turn it off before the credits are over. You find out what happened to Asteria.
Great film!
Lessons:
1. Don't be greedy
2. Don't wish … instead pray for it.
3. "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Mark 8:36 KJV
Have Faith, Hope, and Love.
Wonder Woman 1984, it's fair to say, has received something of a mixed reaction. When the initial reviews came in, the critics loved it, but as more and more set their eyes on the film the enthusiasm waned. Even general audiences have been a little divided, with some appreciating the movie's aims and others taking issue with some of the ideas presented within the screenplay.
Personally I enjoyed it. Whilst it may not have quite reached the heights of the first Wonder Woman, there's plenty to appreciate here. The opening sequence, for one, is stunning. This sees a young Diana Prince competing in a major sporting event in her home land of Themyscira. It's a really breathtaking segment that draws you into the movie from the start, and the accompanying narration by Gal Gadot as the Adult Diana works well with the imagery.
Similarly the opening battle of the film in the shopping centre makes for a thrilling action sequence. I always like it when we see a superhero fight what is essentially an everyday crook for them, as it shows that they have their own mundane days in their field of work. It's not always big universe-shattering events, sometimes it's just a pair of thieves. There's a greater meaning too behind seeing Wonder Woman save a kid being dangled from a shopping centre balcony rather than an entire world or nation. It's a more personal touch, and it helps to ground the heroics significantly.
The bigger threats do come later into the film however, as Maxwell Lord (Pedro Pascal) gets his hands on the mysterious wishing stone, and wishes to become the stone itself. Maxwell is a fun character; he's a TV personality who craves power, and takes it from those who cross his path. He's kind of what I'd imagine an evil Stephen Mulhern would be like, if his TV persona wasn't an act he obviously put on for the cameras. I really like the monkey's paw aspect of the wishing stone, and its human embodiment; the idea that you get what you wish for but at a cost always holds for some great dramatic potential, especially when our hero is granted her wish, at the cost of her powers weakening.
Talking of Diana's wish, this is an element I have seen some critique over. The base of her wish fulfilment involves her boyfriend from the previous film Steve Trevor (Chris Pine) returning from his death - albeit in a different man's body - but as mentioned, the price paid is her powers growing weaker. Some have taken issue with how Steve is essentially using a random stranger as a vehicle, which means that when Diana and Steve sleep together she is essentially doing stuff to his body without his consent. I don't see it that way however. The body, in my view, is the vessel, it's not the person inside. When Diana was with Steve, she wasn't with a random stranger. She was with Steve. Diana wasn't, therefore, forcing herself upon anyone.
The Steve aspect of the narrative is overall a lot of fun. Essentially you get the same fish out of water aspect from the first film, although this time the roles are reversed. This time it's Steve out of his comfort zone, in a different time period he is used to, and it's very entertaining seeing his reaction to 80s clothes or escalators. I'm always a sucker for that kind of fish out of water stuff, so personally I got a lot of enjoyment from watching Steve's perspective on this new world.
I do feel it would have worked better narratively speaking, however, had Steve not been played by the same actor from the previous film. We are told Steve looks different, and that he's a different man - but he spends the majority of the film looking exactly the same, precisely because it's Chris Pine. I get that the film is told from Diana's perspective, so it's essentially what she is seeing, but it does just make you wonder why they even bothered with the Steve Trevor body swap if they weren't going to do anything with the concept. We get the odd glimpses of the stranger - played by Kristoffer Polhala - such as when Steve is looking in the mirror, but the point that in reality he doesn't look the same as the Steve Diana knew isn't really shown to us enough as the audience. In fact, you end up even forgetting that Steve Trevor is using another man's body. Instead of telling us that this is Steve in a different man's body, how about showing us by having Kristoffer Polhala effectively playing Steve Trevor, with odd flashes of Chris Pine instead? In any story the idea should be to 'show, don't tell'. But here it's 'tell, don't show'.
One of my favourite aspects of this film is Kristen Wiig as Barbara/Cheetah, and in a largely straight role for an actor largely known for her comedic roles, Kristen Wiig totally knocks it out the park. She is endearingly awkward as Barbara before she makes her wish, and later shockingly cold when she loses her humanity as the cost for her wish to be like Diana. You really buy into Barbara's wish to possess the strength and confidence of Diana Prince, and it's hard not to agree with her to an extent when she asks Diana why she should be forced to give her newfound strength back. Kristen Wiig was a very solid casting choice for sure.
If the film is let down by anything, it's how surprisingly little there actually is of Diana Prince fighting as Wonder Woman. For a film entitled 'Wonder Woman 1984', Diana actually doesn't do that much vigilante work. Whilst this decision does mean we get some great character moments that help to build further on the relationship dynamics between Diana and Steve, it does mean that most of the action is stuff that was already shown in the trailers or on The Graham Norton Show. The film could perhaps have introduced more moments for Diana Prince to show off her skills, and give us more of the 'Wonder Woman' that the title promises.
On a more positive note, Wonder Woman 1984 has perhaps one of the best mid-credits scenes of any film to date. This features the original Wonder Woman Lynda Carter as the 'Golden Warrior' Asteria, and it's a very cool moment for sure. It does make you wonder if they're planning for Lynda Carter to have a major role in the upcoming third Wonder Woman film, as this mid-credits sequence seems to suggest. Could two Wonder Woman actors collide?
Overall, Wonder Woman 1984 is a highly enjoyable follow-up to the first movie. Whilst it perhaps doesn't feature as much 'Wonder Woman' action as you would typically expect, and the decision to keep Chris Pine as Steve Trevor in the context of the film may seem a little strange considering the body swap concept, it features some truly stunning sequences, and two great villains in Maxwell and Barbara. Wonder Woman 1984 is a film that doesn't quite reach the heights of the original, but it gives it a damn good try.
The best thing about this movie is the cameo at the end. Skip quickly to that and don't bother with the rest of this kids movie.
Max Lord is the worst 'bad guy' ever. Cheeta is not very believable. The end is a set of stupide monologues.
Maybe fun to watch with your 13 or 14 y/o daughter..?
I like my super hero movies to have at least some level of realism. This has entirely 0.
Gal Gadot is the only positive thing about this movie, but she alone can't fix this mess.
Please don't be fooled by the poster; the movie isn't as vibrant as it seems. It still looks good, but it did not pop out as much as I expected.
The movie could have worked if the plot was structured and had a logic that made sense. It just felt like ideas that seemed good were thrown in without taking a good look at it.
Some characters did not need to be in the movie for sure. Chris Pine’s character felt super forced, and morally it made wonder woman look not so great. Superheroes have their flaws, but this seemed yikes it reminded me of the ending of the lovely bones and how it's similar and problematic. Kristin Wiggs is a good actor, and it felt like a disservice giving her a character that wasn't fully developed, and if you cut out her parts, it wouldn't make a difference.
Pedro Pascal’s back must have hurt lifting all the weight from carrying this movie; he's genuinely the one redeeming the movie.
It was a straightforward plot, and it's a scenario that shows what would go wrong if The secret by Rhonda Byrne came to life.
Overall, it's not a bad movie by any means, but it could've been so much more, and it is sucks because the first movie was pretty good.
Wow, this movie was really bad. I quite liked the first movie and I am amazed how the writer(s), apparently with Patty Jenkins in the lead, managed to turn this into a boring piece of crud.
The movie is just so boooooring and nonsensical.
Below are my notes when watching this movie (I had to do something while watching it to not get bored out of my mind) which pretty much speaks for itself.
What is it with the stupid beginning? It was just silly lecturing and did not really bring anything to the story.
Those clowns pretending to be robbers. Was it supposed to be funny? Well it was not. Bad start indeed.
25% and this is boring.
40% and this is still f... boring.
A guy used to fly ancient propeller planes can suddenly fly jet fighter planes. And she "forgot" about radar? Seriously?
Flying straight through exploding fireworks and no one saw them nor did the engines get clogged up? And did they not have a world to save instead of sightseeing by the way?
A fighter jet flying from the US to Cairo in one go? Yeah, right!
Finally at 60% there is some action which is of course dragged down by this silly wish stone's impact on Wonder Woman.
And here we go with the illogical emotional bullshit refusing to accept reality.
My God, the bad guy is such an unintelligent and stupid jerk. No charisma whatsoever. The script is really such a juvenile piece of crud that it is unbelievable.
85% and finally some superhero action. Pretty lousy action but at least some action.
Holy crap! Even the finale is boring and dragged out.
This entire movie could have been condensed into a 45 minutes TV show episode, and not a very good one at that.
Patty Jenkins is going on my watch list… for movies that I will avoid!
A 5 year old could have writen a better script.
For me this is the end of DC.
RIP!
This movie is a joke! The writing is lazy, the action is dull, the effects are bad and the conclusion is dumb. Gal Gadot doesn't land a single convincing line. Luckily, Pedro Pascal was as great as could be with a script this lousy. He saves this from being a complete pile of garbage, but it's far from a good movie...
This was a pretty dope movie just wish cheetah
girl was more involved
Usually I'm the one bucking the trend, but I saw this the same as many. Starts strong, but then forgets it is ultimately an action film and dives into the main plot driver ("wishing") which turns into an anal exam. Had they held the momentum of the first half, this would have been great. Another superhero movie that forgot we are still interested in the hero, not just the villain. Had a lot of wasted potential on this one.
ну да... actually i like the movie 6/10 fair!
a good mixture of James Bond and Marvel Comics with fantasy touch, why not!
but i'm agree with other comments that the movie is tooo long contains too much details in many scenes... and yes, the most unnecessary figure of all is "Steve"!
he would better stay dead ^_^
So bad this could be a franchise killer..
Great beginning. Ok action. Don't understand why people gave low ratings to this.
It were bloody rubbish like
Pros :
- Challenging Demi-God Antagonist with stakes.
- Good character development. Diana overcame her grief, she taught Steve how to behave in the human world like he did in the 1st movie and she learnt to fly.
- Nice and original scenario overall where the antagonist is not clearly defined and no mcguffin. Sometimes risky. Almost the first gay relationship in a superhero movie that wouldn't have been too overdone.
- Exciting "God complex" scenes.
Cons :
- Actions scenes are cringe sometimes. Cheetah fight scene could have been way better
- Inconsistencies. Anachronisms. Lots of inconsistencies. The full fuel plane scene because steve doesn't have a passeport but he has. Or Diana sleeping with Steve in someone else body. The "book of the mayas" even though mayas didn't write books. The 3rd world war nuclear event before Batman Vs Superman. And Christmas ending. Seriously writers...
- The moral of the story is kinda off. Except for Diana, the world still sucks for everyone at the end (and we are supposed to accept it ?). The world is even worse than before with all the crazy shenanigans.
- "Meh" Ending. Stupid win. Max Lord was almost a God. He could have used a wish for his son instead of renouncing to his power.
What did I just watch?
Even an immortal demi-goddess can only be truly happy if she wishes really hard for a boyfriend. Not exactly a positive, empowering feminist message for the young girls this film is aimed at, is it?
A Horrible Movie!!! some scene no sense, special effects horrible, story bore... only good first free ten minutes on the net.
Tried to see, really I tried, but you cannot follow the script of a crazy monkey and the erratic direction of this terrible cinecomic
Somehow even worse than the first Wonder Woman. The action looks like it's from a low budget B movie - it's completely inexcusable for a big budget movie in 2020. None of the character development makes any sense. The plot is "okay" at best. Includes a ridiculously tone deaf rape scene.
Overall it's just a completely mediocre movie.
DC is LOST! What a childish and weak story! I often wanted to advance the film. The action scenes were very fake. What a waste of money to produce something like this.
Just no... not even worth it.
Well I guess it's a movie that's about wonder woman
They made Diana a rapist. Great. What a hero.
Worst ever the first 10minutes made me love amazons more than wonder woman in 1945 or 1984 and I don't want to see her nowadays or anytime soon whatever. I mean gal is a pure asset and I would have loved to see her darker and way much more serious in a very true story with the world. She'd better go back home her story would be more interesting than with us
The movie has many flaws (the CGI is terrible for example) but it's not as bad as I expected. I think I actually liked it more than the first one.
Pedro Pascal was great!
"That's just a trash can."
As much as I like the first movie, this one felt pretty different. First half was fun: 80's touch, Chris Pine is so likeable and curious, Gal Gadot is great at showing why she should be Wonder Woman, and Kristen Wiig is hilarious. So why didn't the second half work for me? Felt long, and I found no reason for Kristen Wiig's character to be in the movie once it all was resolved. Or maybe I just hyped this up way too much before watching. Either way, doesn't feel like something I will want to watch multiple times like I did for the first one.
the story was boring... first one was better
This is the worst DC movie ever made. Complete trash.
I’m conflicted about this movie. So much so that I had to watch it again before I wrote this review. After my first viewing I was just disappointed and I needed to see it again to figure out why. A couple of reasons come to mind immediately: I was a huge fan of the first Wonder Woman movie (I thought DC had finally gotten it right with their big screen offerings) so my expectations were high and fuelled by the delayed gratification of postponed release dates; secondly, there was no cinematic release of this in my area, so I watched it as a Home Release on its opening day on my 50” TV and It just didn’t deliver the immersive experience you get when sitting in a dark theatre. (Some movies should only been seen in theatres. This was one.). Then there were the things with the movie itself: the first 20 minutes were epic but from there on it was uneven, slipping in and out between silliness and majesty. When it had the big beautiful scenes it hit its mark but it failed for me in between. I hate to say it, but Chris Pine brought nothing to the chemistry or the emotional tension. It just fell flat. The Barbara Minerva character was uneven. And, the final resolve was overlong, wordy and melodramatic. So, I guess I’m underwhelmed. I give the film a 6 (fair) out of 10. [Superhero Action]
Not the worst movie I've ever seen, but not far from it! I'm surprised any of the actors would even want to be associated with it.
The CGI is horrible, it doesn't even try to look real. The action scenes, for the most part, aren't even close to being believable, even for a comic book based movie. Pedro Pascal is about as cheesy as you can get as Max Lord.And he's not believable as a super villain. Kristen Wiig isn't bad as Cheetah but she's not in the movie enough, doesn't have enough fight scenes, and is too easily defeated. And the plot holes are as numerous as pot holes in a New England road after a hard winter as the movie jumps from one scene to another with little continuity
The first Gal Gadot Wonder Woman movie was pretty good so I'm sure there will be a sequel to this one. I hope it's better although after this one, the bar is pretty low!
Not great, but also not as bad as the internet would have you believe. Kristen Wiig was a good addition.
A movie that tries to be feminist but in the end fails feminism.
Escalators and the underground, or metro, were invented in Victorian times, both in common usage in London well before the first World War. You know, where Steve was based in the first movie...
Yet again, for a much vaunted 'feminist' superhero movie, WW doesn't seem able to do much without her man... she seems completely blasé with mind raping a guy and having sex with his body- would that fly if the genders were reversed? - he even flies her invisible jet ffs Also Gal Gadot is a pitiful actress, she's outclassed by literally every person she stands next to...
This movie can be summed up in one word....MEH
Very disappointed. I took the idea to "travel" with the characters to 80s, but the vibe was not good enough to make me feel it. Maybe I had more expectations than usual but the first movie and the cast make me thinking "Oh that will be very good". I will not talk about the plot because it was all full of clichés. The Visual effects were...sorry but shit (even they wanted to looks like 80s).
The first one is better.
Very touching ending, but overall I say MEH. Its good enough for one watch. Ill probably never watch this again unless I happen to walk in somewhere and its playing. Could have been better but I've seen worse piles of crap so people giving 1-3 really need to rethink how they grade a film.
did i cry? yes. was this a good movie?? it could have been much better.
I really thought I wouldn't like it, but then... I guess I did? I mean, Barbara and Diana had such a great chemistry (much more than with Steve imo). I absolutely adored Barbara's role and wish that she was in the final scene, I think it would have been amazing to see their relatioship after all of that, to see Diana (finally!) moving on from that guy
Shout by RafiekslvrBlockedParent2020-12-26T17:54:39Z
Not as good as the first movie, but it is still very entertaining.