This episode is disappointing.
With the action, it’s tiresome and a considerable downgrade from the first episode’s kick-ass opening. It’s short, full of tedious banter and only shows people punching and throwing each other off trucks.
Similarly, the episode’s revelation has little weight; since the episode doesn’t explain why it matters, I don’t know why I should care. Also, they introduce a new character, but we don’t learn why she’s a threat to our heroes or why Sam and Bucky need to catch her group.
Worst of all, though, the character dynamics are awkward. Despite understanding its origin, I found the conflicts messy and confusing. I mean, why the therapy? What’s with this therapist?
On a positive note, I like the social commentary, even if the episode doesn’t explore it that much. In the first episode, the show comments on racial discrimination and they continue it here; I appreciate it.
Finally, the pacing is sluggish, and as a result, I struggled to get through the episode’s runtime. If there were more action, I’d forgive the weak writing, but alas, I’m left disappointed.
Likewise, The Star-Spangled Man feels undercooked, dissatisfying, and left me disappointed. Not only has the storytelling quality faltered, but the action has too, which is all I’m looking for in this TV show. Hopefully, this is the only bump on my FWS journey.
TECHNICAL SCORE: 6/10
ENJOYMENT SCORE: 5/10
Yup, the new captain America is douchebag. And the actor has one of those faces that you just want to punch.
“You think it didn’t break my heart to see them march him out there and call him the new Captain America?” – Sam Wilson
Didn’t think it was as good as the past episode, I like the chemistry between Sam and Bucky, and loved the ending. Zemo next episode fuck yeah
Guess I'm the only one here who enjoyed this one more than the premiere. shrugs
It would be a shame to sleep on this. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier subverts expectations and roles established by the Captain America films, primarily at how we look at American Exceptionalism. Duplicity and duality finally seem to be at the core and it's refreshing and interesting to know that basically the only thing keeping Sam and Bucky positive on governmental oversight was Steve himself.
John Walker's character is fascinating because of how it plays into and against Steve's traits. No longer is Captain America some altruistic force; now he functions even further as an arm of the military. Although Walker would have you believe he's doing everything for the greater good, the greater good is frequently challenged within Steve's arc. By setting up Walker as more of a stereotypical, arrogant military man combined with Sam and Bucky's distrust, the cynicism is not only pushed onto Walker as a Cap replacement but also towards American foreign policy as a whole.
This is something MCU detractors have been citing as fault in the franchise for years, the lack of any critical eye towards the American war machine. I am utterly enraptured.
Man I'm a bit disappointed, this episode felt stretched out, lots of padding and scenes which could easily have been trimmed or cut out entirely. This almost felt like an episode from a CW show..... It feels like a movie script that has been stretched into a six episode series.....
[8.0/10] Now that’s more like it! This episode felt fresher, more endearing, funnier, more pointed, and a better harbinger for interesting things to come than anything we got in the first episode. I wish Disney had released the first two at the same time, because it would have left me much more enthused about the show’s potential than the relatively staid first outing we got.
Let’s start with the easiest improvement. Sam and Bucky play off one another really well. The sheer fun and combativeness of their dynamic buoys every scene they share. Chemistry is a tricky thing. You can’t manufacture it. It just has to happen. And the repartee between Sam and Bucky shows that it’s there. Their playful banter, their brotherly spats with one another, the way each knows what the other’s deal is with neither of them having to say it, plays really well in this episode.
And it also has to be said -- the show is strongly hinting at them as a couple, which is intriguing. I don’t think Disney has the stones to go through with it, which tempers my expectations a bit. But the two of them have a cool-down scene mid-fight where one lands on top of the other. (Something the MCU did with Banner and Natasha in Age of Ultron, among the umpteen other places that trope has shown up.) They literally go through couples counseling together, at one point even doing the “gaze into each other’s eyes” exercise.
It’d be really interesting to see if part of the answer for Sam and Bucky coping with the void that Steve’s departure left in both of their lives would involve filling it in with one another romantically, not just platonically. But I imagine these coy hints will be as far as a Disney show is willing to go.
That said, even if the queer-bating is questionable, their back-and-forth is still enjoyable, and the substance behind it is strong. Bucky is frustrated that Sam gave the shield away. Sam wishes Bucky understood why he did what he thought was right. The former is freighted with Bucky’s guilt over his past actions and Steve seeing the good in him despite that, a good that’s jeopardized if Steve was wrong about Sam. And Sam’s choice is freighted with both the pressure to live up to a public figure like Captain America and the episode’s racial undertones.
That’s the next most interesting thing about “Star-Spangled Man.” I assumed that John Walker’s replacement Captain America would be a straightforward baddie, or at least a dope. Instead, the show adds real nuance to him as a foil for Sam and Bucky. The episode opens with things that endear him to us. He understands the moral responsibility of stepping in for Steve Rogers. He didn’t ask for this, but rather is the good soldier who just tried his best and wants to help people. He’s not explicitly racist himself, with a best friend who’s Black and a wife or girlfriend who’s a person of color. The episode paints him as a decent guy, trying to do his best, who’s not plainly a baddie.
And yet, he centers himself in the narrative. He wants to commandeer Falcon and The Winter Soldier not as partners, but as his wingmen. He thinks he’s doing them a favor, not simply helping them because assistance is what’s needed, when he leaps in for the fight with the Flagsmashers or he springs Bucky from prison. He asks them to follow his lead, expecting that they’ll owe him and act accordingly, and then tells them to stay out of his way when they refuse.
There’s some real nuance to that. John Walker is not a cross-burning racist. He may not even be racially-prejudiced in a meaningful sense. But he views himself as the center of this, instantly assumes leadership and expects deference, in a way that not only makes Sam and especially Bucky bristle, but which leaves him lacking in the collegial spirit that Steve Rogers embodied.
At the same time, there’s more explicit racism at play in the episode. Sam gets hassled by the cops until they realize he’s an Avenger, an interesting intersection between the hero worship that’s been a part of the MCU from the beginning and the whiff of respectability politics that’s only recently come to the fore. Bucky introduces Sam to Isiah, a black super soldier (Black Marvel?) who Winter Soldier tangled with, whose complaints of imprisonment, experimentation, and deception carry the air of Tuskegee. “The Star-Spangled Man” is subtle about these things, gesturing toward them rather than making them explicit, but that gives them more power than grand speeches or more ham-fisted dramatizations of these ideas would.
That just leaves the Flagsmashers, who are far more interesting this week than they were the last week. I still have some questions about the show positioning the villains as proponents of open borders last week, and this week they’re in favor of the conspiracy theorist’s worst fear/wet dream -- a one world government. But their wants and motivations feel way more compelling here than they did in the prior installment.
For one thing, their position isn’t as reductive as “We want things to be the way they were when half the world was effectively dead.” Instead, they feel like the government is favoring the people who returned at the expense of the people who survived. Some view them as modern day Robinhoods, reallocating vital resources to people who feel, ironically, left behind after the end of The Blip. Their sense of combatting the “GRC” -- a vague quasi-governmental organization to help refugees whose decisions and actions they disagree with -- is far more compelling as an M.O. than generic dudes in masks punching things in a flash mob.
But hey, the punching isn’t bad here! While you can see the seams in the CGI, and the action isn’t exactly smooth, the fight aboard two big rigs running in parallel at least makes for a creative and exciting set piece. The indications that the erstwhile villains are supersoldiers, with strength founded on the same formula that Steve and Isiah received, is a nice lead for Sam and Bucky to follow, and along with banter about the “Big Three” (Aliens, Androids, and Wizards), sets up plenty of interesting threads for the Falcon and the Winter Soldier to follow. (And that’s all before the Zemo tease.)
All in all, “The Star-Spangled Man” feels like an episode from a much more confident, entertaining, and depth-filled show. I hope the series continues that trajectory, and instead of reverting to the generics of last week, maintains this far more interesting course.
better than episode 1, no family drama this time to drag it down but the slow burn is still not doing it for me, especially with only 4 episodes left now. i did love the reference to The Power Broker from the comics as well as the introduction of Battlestar, another character from the comics
what i wasn't a fan of however was Marvel going down the woke route by trying to portray cops as racist with that scene where they ask Bucky if Sam is bothering him
This is really bad. The action with Bucky and Sam is pretty decent, but there isn't enough of it and everything else is mediocre. For a show about superheroes, it's slow and boring.
If you only have 6 episodes in a season, each one needs to be a hit. This one was a miss.
"The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" continues to take it's time in regards to setting the stage. Here most of the pieces are in play outside of a couple of outliers, so going forward I suspect we'll really get into the meat of things. For now though, the show's slow pace is my favourite part of it - letting these characters breathe and interact has been the highlight of the MCU since the beginning and now that Bucky and Sam are officially together the banter can start. And it's good banter! Both revealing in character while being amusingly witty, it's a balancing act the show pulls off extremely well.
But really, the social commentary is what I'm here for. The MCU has struggled in some of it's other entries in that regard (though when it nails it, it really nails it i.e. Black Panther), but this is definitely one of the more reflective and introspective ones in that regard. The scene with Isaiah Bradley in particular deserves notice in that regard, not only for bringing in some great elements from the comics but also showcasing the lengths the government has gone to downplay the role that black people had in many of their conquests. The Flag-Smashers as well are coming into their own as compelling antagonists, helped by a wonderfully casted Erin Kellyman. Great stuff.
Loving how this show gets more ambitious with all the things it wants to tackle along with more much-needed character development. Toss in some genuine chemistry and buddy cop energy and this show really just keeps getting better. Once again, pumped for the next episode.
This episode felt a bit sloppy at points. It felt a bit like a bunch of isolated scenes that were good on their own but didn't really weave together all that well? I'm also a bit unsure about the Flag Smashers right now, I feel like I don't get their motives. How does their anarchism link to their belief that life was better during the Blip? Hopefully that gets filled in more later. I also felt a bit thrown off how Sam and Buck both had good human storylines set up in the first episode that weren't followed up on here.
On the plus side: I appreciated the social commentary, even if it felt a bit surface level. Mackie and Stan have good chemistry, which helps carry the show. I also enjoy Kellyman's performance, even if I don't understand her motive yet, and Wyatt Russell is good too. And hey, a Young Avenger was technically introduced, thats exciting!
It's alright. Seems to be going really slow, which is weird because it's so short. Definitely worth a watch and I'll continue to watch, but it's no WandaVision. Still better than a lot of TV out there and definitely high-budget Marvel feeling
WandaVision had me super excited and wakin' up early to watch each episode while I didn't remember until about 3:30pm that a new episode came out.
At the end, that security monitor image with the cell ("zelle") number in the corner... I have to wonder if the use of cell number 2187 was a deliberate reference.
It ain't detention block AA-23, but...
That's okay. Finn didn't get the reference, either.
Some cringe-inducing take on race, as expected. Not only overdramatic with how Falcon reacts to Isaiah, but also the typical trope of cops showing up and asking for ID of a tumulent black man and asking them if they're bothering their white friend. Heavy-handiness galore.
On a not so unrelated note, the theme of race and the usage of lacrimosa reminds me of Watchmen... I didn't much like Watchmen.
Other than that it's actually a pretty fun show so far. Loving the Sam-Bucky dynamic and duo.
This really good episode has me look up its showrunner afterwards, something I didn't do with WandaVision, as much as I enjoyed most of it. Malcolm Spellman hasn't produced anything I watched until now, but the way he managed his own world-building within a larger MCU framework with some intriguing weightiness, including race (most telling of new Cap is him using police siren to call Sam and Bucky, especially juxtaposed with Sam's encounter earlier), is pretty striking. Plus, he did all that while maintain slick action and fun banter, the latter which I was dreading a bit after the trailers but worked much better within an episode's context.
I laughed so hard during the therapy session.
I think Antony Mackie and Sebastian Stan have great chemistry.
Love the series so far!
another very strong episode this time we open with a little insight into John Walker this episode does a great job of making you feel for this guy
this episode has another main action sequence that is pretty awesome
What on earth were they thinking creating THAT kind of Captain America ?!?! And I mean the actor, too. I am also not a huge fan of this "One World, One People" stuff.
What I do like is the dynamic between Sam and Bucky. That carried an otherwise rather mediocre episode.
i cringed so badly when john called bucky an asset omg
the tone it has, similar to that of captain america 2, I'm liking it
As good and interesting as the first chapter, but we finally see the soldier and falcon together and what i think is more important, we see that both actors cheemistry works really well.
yes now im just watching for the sebastian stan ^_^ and the bromance
How do the character accomplish things in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier? They check stuff and they know where to go. Get used for that to be the whole show, all that with fights that have little to null cleverness. Just hopefully the enemies motivation has some more clarity than we want the world to how it was before because by chance it was governed by better people?
Much bette than the first episode. I'd like to see more of how the world is coping since the blip reversal. Maybe things were better before.
this is just some old wine in new bottles and colors....
At the beginning of the episode, I'm like... what John Walker have no super strength?? So okay now, where is The Power Broker?
And at the end of the episode I'm like... The Power Broker ta da da da, ta da da da
I love the world building going on around this catastrophic event and the reversal event, it makes for interesting and thought provoking perspectives.
Loving the Sam/Bucky duo! Sebastian Stan is just nailing all his scenes and I am sitting here getting emotional over Bucky's arc.
On another note, I probably should have rewatched some of the movies since I have 0 recollection of any of the villains' storylines.
Unfortunately , Superman and Lois is killing this.
"Steve had a plan" BITCH WHERE
2 episodes in and this show is so damn good. The chemistry between all the characters is amazing especially between Mackie and Stan and Zemo hasn't even entered the picture yet. that therapy session tho lol. I'm not even a Mackie fan, but have to recognize that he is absolutely killing it.
I think it has lots of humour, but I hate the though if some door just being Captain America. I honestly don’t get that
The writing on this show is so awful. Is it laziness or ignorance? I have no idea, but whatever it is, it's not good.
an improvement on the first episode but not incredible, worth a watch tho
I dunno… this series just isn’t grabbing me yet — and I’m not surprised. WandaVision made me care exponentially-more about Avenger characters I was never truly invested in. And I feel the exact same about Bucky and Sam as I did since their introduction… which isn’t saying much at all. The banter and bromance therapy is doing absolutely nothing for me.
Story-wise, something isn’t clicking for me either. It all seems a bit scattered. The threat doesn’t feel all that menacing. And why are they about to talk to a Hydra person? Admittedly, I should probably know this, but the storytelling here just doesn’t feel solid.
I’m hoping I get into it more. Right now, my biggest investments are a) whether the new Cap is actually a good guy and b) whether or not Sam and his sis keep the boat.
I need more.
fake Captain America sounds like Jonah Ryan
The second episode is good, it goes further into the plot and I’m so excited to see what happens next because I had a basic theory in mind but it exceeded that with them involving characters and plot in a way that kind of makes it confusing so overall it’s a good episode and I enjoyed it. :smiley:
That wizards reference! It reminded me to that one teacher in Far from home that was like WIZARDS! Wanda reference! But why are they like “wizards don’t exist” so they don’t know about Westview?
Okay, so this was way better than the first episode! I think my issue with this show is that it doesn’t feel like a show, it feels like a movie that was divided into six parts, so a stand alone episode is gonna be kinda underwhelming and always incomplete and not like cliff-hanger incomplete but like literally incomplete, but overall this episode was so much better.
So when we got the first glimpse of Karli it was obvious she wasn't a hostage, and then when she smiled that was diabolical, BUT THEN it's explained that after the unblip some of those billions of people that returned are now displaced, homeless, refugees, like before the blip but now worse, so point to Thanos, and that the Flag Smashers are redistribuiting resources for the returned! so they aren't villains at all! so if the plot is that sam and bucky wanna go after them because they are riding an invisible moral high horse because even what they are doing is good they don't justify their means, then this show is gonna BS. That moral "dilemma" is so outdated so I would hope that next episode is them joining forces with Karli! No more patriotism, no more moralism or whatever.
Also I don't usually notice that stuff, but the visual effects on this episode were BAD! That one scene where they are fighting over the cargo trucks, it looked terrible, and when the helicopter pops in that was embarrasing, like what happened there? and for real I never noticed that stuff but this episode had me saying wait a minute.
Also I just think it wouldn't be realistic that the public would accept a new captain america, that literally does not make sense, unless they are in a different Earth, but I know us, and like imagine how we would react to a Chris Evans recast in the movies, there would be change.com petitions, people would boycott the movies, there would be hashtags, a movement, something similar to the
snyder cut, and that was for a movie, so now imagine it's real life and there's actual superheroes, and one of them has been around since the 40s, and then when half the world disappeared he was there, helping people one on one, no one would accept a recast!!! I liked The Boys vibes from this episode, but it doesn't make sense that the public would support this new guy.
And I can only speak of these two episodes, but how is it that the show is doing an ok job w issues like police brutality/racism agaisnt black people, or like the bank scene where we can see the system being designed against black people but still is so YAAAAY MILITARY YAAAY ARMY YAAAY WAR, how do they get so real about half of it and are still so delusional about the other part?
So I'm not hating, I feel optimistic the other 4 episodes are gonna explore these issues I have, I think I'm gonna wait to watch till at least 3 more episodes are out, so I can stop complaining about this being a movie and not a show.
Still better than wv but I still have the feeling that this would be better as a movie rather than a weekly tv show.
A much better episode as a whole with an ending that was much less frustrating.
It's a bit dissapointing that they didn't manage to hold the tone from the first episode. Something felt off this time around.
On the unrelated note, I have a vague memory of seeing an episode of 90s Spider-man cartoon with Captain America. And having similar reveal about forgotten Super Soldier.
We need Zemo. Daniel Brühl can save this show!
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From a comic book fan perspective, this one certainly brings in a lot of recognizable names. John Walker & Battlestar, Isaiah Bradley, Power Broker, Flag Smasher, Baron Zemo. This is all cool stuff. I can't wait to see where they take John Walkers story.