I think Iron Fist is blocking its own path to become something better. Everytime I thought it was gaining ground they throw in stupid dialogue or dumb character decisions. Hell, part of the show even felt more like Dallas or Dynasty than a super hero show. And they really need to work on the way the action is presented. This all looked soft, you could easily recognize the rehearsed moves.

Netflix needs to step up big time for me to continue watching those Marvel shows for another season. With the exception of Daredevil none of the likes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, or this have left a mark. And I'm beginning to wonder, of all the characters Marvel has at his disposal, those were the best to center the shows around ?

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@finfan I still stand by what I said in the Luke Cage comments section: I had more fun watching this than that crap, to the point of maybe picking up its second season (if that's happening, I'm not sure). I was heartbroken to see you didn't like Jessica Jones (it had the most charismatic villain out of all Marvel shows, except for maybe the Kingpin), which is still my favourite Marvel TV show to date (I haven't watched its second season and I'm still missing quite a few seasons of other Marvel shows, though). Regardless, I'm getting quite tired of Marvel shows, in general, since there seems to be too much of them and a lot are based on less interesting characters, whereas DC shows aren't enough (CW shows don't count, as they're crap, Krypton is a travesty and Gotham, the best of the bunch by a loooong shot, will say goodbye to us all next year).

@misnomer Iron Fist S2 has already been confirmed - I am sure it will run without me.
I was really excited when all those Marvel shows were announced but with the exceptions I already mentioned the majority has dissapointed me. Maybe I'm just not the super hero type after all. The movies are also becomming more dissapointing from my point of view (last one I saw was Black Panther which was OK but not stellar) .
So, I wholeheartedly agree about the getting tired part. The Marvel characters those shows are based on are very specific so I think it is naturally to like some and hate some. And since it isn't really nessessary to watch everything for the big picture I think I spend my time on other shows.

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@finfan I'm currently watching season two only because I got to know it was the last one (so, I had to watch it for the sake of completeness, since it's just one more season) and it's definitely more enjoyable than the first one. It even made me bump my rating up a notch. It's not like it's now good enough for me to recommend you to watch it (if anything, you should watch DC's Titans, instead, that show is absolutely great!), but I feel that people should only rate this show after having watched both seasons. Unfortunately, most comments around here are only from people who've watched just the first season and didn't bother with the second one.

@misnomer I get your point but sometimes, even for the sake of completeness, a show might not be worth it. There are literally hundreds of alternatives to choose from. Personal view, of course. Anyway, with the cancellation of Daredevil I think I am done with the Marvel shows (though I still hope for a second season from The Punisher) I don't think any of this shows will see another season. There seems to be something going on with Disney behind the scenes.
And if I am completely honest, althought I was very eager at first with all this shows, I won't miss them. With the one exception, they don't left a mark. As I've said earlier, I wonder if those were the right characters to pick from all the ones in Marvels arsenal.
Oh, and I have Titans on my watchlist but haven't seen it yet.

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@finfan you seriously should bump Titans to the top of your watchlist. Right now, it's the only really good superhero show around. I recall recommending you The Gifted, last year or so, but its second (current) season is so appalling that it's not even worth trying to watch it. As for the Marvel shows, I have to agree with you, again. They're just too many and focusing on minor superheroes, eventually people would stop caring about most of them. So far, I only really enjoyed the first season of Daredevil and Jessica Jones, the rest has been "OK", at best. I can't even bother with the second season of Luke Cage, since the first season nearly bored me to death (which is a pity, I liked him in Jessica Jones). I remember about 5 years ago when I didn't know which shows to watch... These days I don't know which shows not to watch! Too much stuff going around! I hope Marvel/Disney focus on just a couple of shows and make them good. DC shows are worse, we mostly get just that CW teen-oriented crap, Gotham and Titans being the only solid exceptions worth watching. Sorry for rambling!

@misnomer Don't appologize. As far as I can tell you are right. I have watched one ep of Arrow because I just started The Flash and there was a crossover yawn No interest to watch more. I am half way through the first season of Flash. Not totally a disaster but weak villains and too much, as you call it, teen-oriented crap. Which is the reason why I dropped out of Supergirl after the first. I wish they would made this shows more attractable for a wider audience 'cause the do have the potential.
Anyway, yes you recommended The Gifted and I will look into it. Problem is I have a lot of shows on my list and way too little time. I choose them at random because I can never agree upon myself what to watch next. The problems life presents us with lol

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