Good first episode but the CGI was very shit and distracting.
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@magenof It's the MCU and it's on a TV budget.
I could have skipped this episode and missed nothing.
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@martlet the show, not inly in the text but also in interviews with the show-runners, is about love and the things we do for love (good and terrible) and to protect the ones we love.
Bill is a paralel to joel and frank to ellie. Opening up the others hearts and letting love in. On closed off by his own closeted homophobia and paranoia and the other from trauma and loss of his child. Both pragmatic and overly serious not letting others in (joel didn’t even let tess in for all the years they where together)
The episode shows also how post apocalypse we don’t have to sacrifice our humanity. To do more that just surviving but to actually live and care for the things around us. And for art, and beauty.
The letter at the end really activate joel in the quest to protect ellie. He has failed to protect his daughter and as reminded, tess. It tells him that life with purpose is possible and it’s mostly someone else. And that they, both, would do anything to protect the ones they care about… and i pity the fool who stand on their way (foreshadowing what joel is going to do in the end)
There are many more reasons why this episode matters in the context of the show but a not unimportant one is that it was beautiful and a good story and telling it was something they wanted to do and was worth it… maybe not to you but for many others, apparently.
I could have skipped this episode and missed nothing.
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@martlet would have missed a great episode of TV that speaks to the themes of the show if not advancing the plot.
This too early to have a filler episode. Waste of an hour. Watch the first 5 mins and last 5 mins. Rest has zero value to story progression.
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Clearly you did not, at all, understand the meaning of this episode and how it clearly ties into Joel and Ellie’s journey
This too early to have a filler episode. Waste of an hour. Watch the first 5 mins and last 5 mins. Rest has zero value to story progression.
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How sad to have such a limited view of what this show can be
This too early to have a filler episode. Waste of an hour. Watch the first 5 mins and last 5 mins. Rest has zero value to story progression.
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@whos_ur_buddha This isn’t a video game. It’s about the journey.
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I would have loved this so much more if the age gap between the princess and the prince were less than 10 years
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@pettywaf I was thinking the exact same thing. And how can Violet be only 14? WTF
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I would have loved this so much more if the age gap between the princess and the prince were less than 10 years
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@gaticc008 they (she included) think she's 14 but nobody knows
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- The intro is always so fun
- So this story is about a world without privilege, right? Being born different?
Mogami: "So what you're experiencing is a parallel world that could've easily come to pass had your circumstances been slightly different. I'll just sit back and observe how you fare in this environment without your powers."
Mogami: "You had many relationships in real life, and you were fortunate enough to be surrounded by good people. But situations like that are rare."
- So in this world, Ritsu is apathetic because his brother isn't special? Sounds kinda counterintuitive to me
Mogami: "You're extremely talented brother is just a stranger here."
- Why?
Mob: "It'd be so much easier if I was stronger."
Mogami: "I'm sure this seems incomprehensible to you,"
- It does
Mogami: "But she's bullying you to secure her position in society."
- Is that the reality, though? Is it? They're in high school, people might call her out later in life cough cough "A Silent Voice" cough cough
Mogami: "But after living in this world for six months without your powers,"
- My problem is we don't feel the passage of time here. It feels really quick. Also, where are his friends or parents? Why haven't we seen anyone but his brother? Like, we don't see them reject him or anything
Mogami: "After my demise, I became an evil spirit and decided to use my powers for myself this time..."
- But you did, and it made your mother an evil spirit
Mogami: "You are allowed to use your powers for yourself. You should use them for yourself."
- But why? All it brought was a bunch of misdeeds and your mother becoming an evil spirit? Like, what is your argument dude? Sure, it's flawed, but what is it, exactly?
Dimple: "You're not staying here? Shigeo's done for. You gotta accept that. Why not run away?"
Reigen: "Because I still have faith in him."
Dimple: "In this situation? You're not really that stupid, are ya?"
Reigen: "Yup, actually, I am. Let me guess: this is the first time someone's placed so much trust in you too, right?"
- I love Reagen :D
Mob: "Apologise."
- Damn, the vocal performance shift
Mogami: "And that's why I didn't want you to travel the same path I did."
- But you're making him travel the same path you did
Dimple: "Yo."
- Lol
Mogami: "The six months you spent here are forever etched into your heart and mind."
- It was less than 10 minutes
- The score is banging though
Mob: "I'm surrounded by good people. I need to be more thankful for them."
- The face animation :D
Mob: "When you interact with other people, it can have an effect. And because of that, I was able to change. Thanks to them, I'm stronger. Much stronger than if I'd been on my own."
- But like, his argument was that you're privileged to have people who helped you. What is your argument Mob?
Mob: "Wait... That's right."
[Grabbing hand.]
Mob: "I remember now. I came here to save someone."
- ;-;
Dimple: "He really has changed huh?"
- The eyes and hair! XD
Narrator: "The powerful blast created from Mob's positive emotions at 100 percent annihilated the great and powerful evil spirit Mogami."
- So the thematic statement is that "positive emotions will triumph over negative ones"?
Mogami: "No matter how much you struggle, your path will lead you to the same place mine did. To ruin."
But he's doing the opposite of yours, Mogami. Yours led to ruin because you started using your powers for yourself (to save your mother). Mob is using them to help people (which you did before you went down the ruinous path)
God damn, the animation though
Mob: "That people are able to change. Mogami and Minori both taught me it's possible. The people around me changed me as well. Now I understand I can do the same thing for others too."
Mob: "I don't get it, Master. Why aren't you claiming your reward?"
Reigen: "Just look at how many people got hurt. Not exactly a big success. You should never accept money that you feel you haven't earned. If you do, you'll start taking the easy way out every time."Reigen: "You know... You're better off working part-time for me than becoming famous or powerful. I hope this serves a good lesson for ya."
Dimple: "Come on, give me a friggin' break..."
- Lol
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I know that all sounds like a bunch of nonsense, so let me make this simple. I interpreted this episode's message as, "positive emotions will trump negative emotions and that people and positivity can enable you to change." The problem is that this is what the episode propagates in the second half, but in the first half, it's exploring way more ideas like privilege, bullying, and selfishness. But it's forgotten in the second half? Also, the final message still disregards the earlier one on privilege. I guess it's addressed by Mob pledging he'll use his powers to help people?This episode is really convoluted, unfocused and confused. It's trying to juggle all these different ideas under the guise of "positivity beats negativity" but it comes off as undercooked.
6/10
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@cookiegod I understand Mogami's worldview is supposed to be flawed, but I don't understand how he got to that worldview. The journey he takes (his tragic backstory) contradicts his ideology; it should bring him to the opposite conclusion.
I guess it comes down to this:
1. Yes, Mogami is flawed, but his statement on privilege makes sense
2. His backstory makes no sense for his selfish motivations, belief about people privilege or biases towards societal power
3. The logical progression between all these ideas is lost on me
4. I'm left with this vague feeling of "Mob's positivity beat Mogami's negativity" but the journey to that point is convoluted to me
I also personally found the experience very numbing. Watching the final battle again, I lost investment and couldn't connect with the conflict or characters.
Also, thank you for introducing me to this show. :P
Do not see much logic in anyones actions in this episode. Strange why he didn’t want to promise her to take care of her relatives. There is only one winner, only one person will stay alive in this game anyway. Strange why Sang Woo decided to kill already dying person. Strange why policemen did not shot to kill the Frontman.
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@lat the players were told that whoever win 6 games will walk out with the prize money. They don't know there will be only one. Sang Woo is very opportunistic and shows that he'd do anything to win, right from the very start. Additionally Sang Woo might be worried the other two will vote to terminate the game. It's strange that the policeman didn't shoot to kill but idk he might've simply missed.
"Two wrongs make a white" Seriously? Brooklyn Nine-Nine is a comedy series. No one watches a series for it to be woke garbage. I'll give it a chance but If I'm getting politics thrown at my face 24/7 I won't finish this series.
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@legallythebear if you thought this show was going to ignore BLM then you don't know Brooklyn Nine-Nine very well
We're all going to die.
This fact breaks people. Humans will worry about death for their entire lives. And why shouldn't they? It's the end, after which comes the unknown. No one knows what happens when you die, but leaving this earth scares us. So we believe something actually happens when you die - you go to heaven, a paradise similar to earth, or you become reborn.
What probably happens when you die is similar to our personal experiences of the year 1856. Nothing. Everything ends.
But for Bojack Horseman, and for many others, he doesn't want his life to end, especially not at this point in it. So, he imagines closure. His brain has a lucid dream where he meets all his dead friends, and they tell him they forgive him. They all leave him, and prepare him for his turn. It's a pretty good way to go out, given the event itself.
But this closure isn't real. Bojack is drowning in a pool, and there is an overwhelmingly large chance that he is going to die. The View From Halfway Down, as expected from Bojack-level writing, expertly hints at the real outcome of this episode. He can't remember what's happening, a black-as-death liquid keeps dripping on his head, his food and water taste like chlorine, he is with those who have already died, a bird dying before leaving a house is an omen of death, and so on and so forth. Even more clever details are dropped as special little Easter eggs: the paintings are all from different places, and behind more warped as time passed; Bojack takes Sarah Lynn to the house, much like he took her to her death; and, for an extra kicker, it is revealed he is drowning 17 minutes in - exactly how long he waited while Sarah Lynn was dying before calling an ambulance.
At the same time, the content itself is brilliant - a final, grandiose goodbye to those who died, and phenomenal conversations on death, legacy and true selflessness between wonderfully charismatic and engaging personalities (all made up in Bojack's head), as well as the haunting portrayal of Bojack's impending and terrifying doom. Herb is awesome, Sarah Lynn is tragic, Zach Braff is hilarious, and Secretariat/Butterscotch Horseman is endlessly interesting. And that poem, man, that is absolutely impeccable.
Bojack still lives, though. Watching through to the end credits shows this - his heart is still beating. Whether that's what he deserved or not is obviously left up to discussion, but I still like how we're given reasons that he should live - he is remorseful, he holds himself accountable for mistakes, and as the final phone call makes clear, he just wants to know that his loved ones are ok. I'm absolutely fine with Bojack living on, and giving my one of my favourite final episodes of all time.
Bojack Horseman will still die. But he has time to make his life good again. And maybe, just maybe, it'll finally work.
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@cookiegod "and so on and so forth." +Lord Farquaad intensifies._
In all seriousness, this stuff is great; what a write-up! Write more, my dude! :)
Review by Clobby Clobsters
- Uh, what?
- Is that Zach Braff?
- Crackerjack?
- Thank you, Zach Braff
- What is that black goo?
- That dripping though
- Crackerjack likes their bit
- Friendly fire—what?
- Secretariat is his dad?
- Lucid dreaming?
- It didn't go the way he predicted
- I won't stop dancing
- Yeah, why is he his dad?
- Secretariat/BoJack's dad!
- Younger older brother?
- It's BoJack Horseman?!
- Herb just got snapped!
- That's a freaky bird
- WTF?
With BoJack's perceived death in his own TV show, it leaves me shocked. Not because they actually did it, but because I can't imagine how this show will end. How will everyone else react after everything BoJack's done? Will they see it as only a matter of time? Will they feel sad or happy? What if someone ignores it completely?
I took a long break between seasons, so not every episode is fresh in my mind. I binge-watched the last two seasons, too, so I'm on a BoJack high but haven't given the series much thought. At this point, I think it's time to reflect.
BoJack Horseman is an unusual series that pushes animation and TV's boundaries to the brink. Its storytelling prowess is unimaginable, and the feats it pulls off leave me speechless. Even though I know nothing is like something else, I will never see anything like BoJack Horseman, again, ever.
To follow five characters, develop them and explore their backstories to see how they inform each character is rare. Few shows, movies or books can pull off such a feat, but this show makes it look easy.
I'll never see another show like BoJack Horseman, and I can't wait to hold on to it, forever. I can rewatch this series, entire episodes, and I will, but once you finish a show for the first time, it feels like the journey's over. When I refuse to finish it, it's like their lives are still happening without me. But once I reach the end; that final chapter, this delusion shatters and it feels like a goodbye. Whenever I rewatch an episode and know how it ends, it reminds me of my absence, how I'm a viewer taking a peek into a snapshot of their lives.
SCORE: 8/10
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@cookiegod I believe you. :wink:
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As Cosmonaut Marcus writes, "It was whatever."
- There's no tension in the fights because, of course, they're going to win.
- Falcon with the save! Superheroes are actually saving people; thank you.
- The story: I'm right, discouraged by obstacles, I'm right again; no lesson learned
- Bucky saved some people!
- Do all these ordinary people train or just happen to know karate (the Flag Smashers)?
- And Walker doesn't go for the save.
- Nvm, Walker goes for the save!
- Wow, Sharon is the Power broker; what a relevant revelation. It's nice to know our theorists are right.
- Karli wishes she was Killmonger, huh?
- Falcon: You're right; I don't understand, but you Senators need to start asking "why?"!
- "U.S. Agent"? Ok, sure.
- WoAh, I wonder what AGeNt CArTer is up to?
There are some important messages but no revelations, lessons or challenges. Falcon just hears Bradley say, "don't do it", and does it and does fine, because...? So he had self-doubt, hears more doubt from someone else, but does it anyway?
SCORE 5/10
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@mattdeezly1996 "This isn't a criticism, it's just how I felt. I don't find it to be a ridiculous reaction because I don't care about the characters (never felt they were in danger, besides Falcon for a bit) and don't buy the narrative stakes. Have you ever seen a show or movie where you didn't care about what was going on? I'm not trying to say they're bad, they just didn't work for me. ¯(ツ)/¯"
"And getting all BIG BRAIN on a superhero movie/show is just cringe. Who are you flexing to...?"
I'm not flexing to anyone. I tried to sit back and relax with this one, but it leaned very heavily on its narrative (there's a lot of talking in this show, fewer jokes than usual), so it's asking me to take it seriously. Just because it's a Marvel series doesn't automatically make it the same as all the others. Different people made it, directed it and wrote it. If there were more action and jokes, something similar to Phase 3, I'd sit back and relax, easy. But from what I can tell, they tried something different here, and it didn't hit the mark for me. Plus, it's way longer than the usual Marvel fare.
If there's someone else out there, like me, who didn't like the show, I think it's nice to let someone else know they're not crazy for having a bad time with something a majority of the viewership enjoyed.
"MCU Movies have always been like this, and never tried to be life chaining complex narrative efforts."
People come to these movies/TV shows, like all movies/TV shows, for different reasons. I came for entertainment and a decent story. Some of these movies have proved to do one or the other, or both. Which ones did is entirely subjective. So, I won't waste your time with that.
"And to be fair they just went through one movie where the good guys completely lost, and then one movie where they "won" but 3 main characters (most likely) died permanently..."
Infinity War is the exception, and it's also an event movie; the entirety of Phases 1-3 was building towards them, so I think they'd take the risk. And with "3 main characters (most likely died permanently...", I believe they will stay dead (for a while at least), but news sites and fan theorists predicted their departures, which were marked by contracts anyway, so it wasn't hard to see coming. Again, Infinity War and Endgame are event movies, like a season/series finale type thing. So something like a main character's death is more likely to happen (most of them came back from Infinity War, and those who died didn't renew their contracts).
TL;DR: I read yours, and I know it's not deep, but it's trying to be. See Falcon's speech.
This show is very much seeming to feel a lot like Avatar. These past two seasons feel a lot like two halves of the same season, and I hold it in a very similar regard to Avatar's first season, with an 8 overall. However, the first season is the lower half for me, maybe like a 7.7, and the second season has been an 8.4, exploring many character arcs extremely well.
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@cookiegod I completely agree. The first season is definitely weaker and they both feel like they should've been combined to make one season.
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As Cosmonaut Marcus writes, "It was whatever."
- There's no tension in the fights because, of course, they're going to win.
- Falcon with the save! Superheroes are actually saving people; thank you.
- The story: I'm right, discouraged by obstacles, I'm right again; no lesson learned
- Bucky saved some people!
- Do all these ordinary people train or just happen to know karate (the Flag Smashers)?
- And Walker doesn't go for the save.
- Nvm, Walker goes for the save!
- Wow, Sharon is the Power broker; what a relevant revelation. It's nice to know our theorists are right.
- Karli wishes she was Killmonger, huh?
- Falcon: You're right; I don't understand, but you Senators need to start asking "why?"!
- "U.S. Agent"? Ok, sure.
- WoAh, I wonder what AGeNt CArTer is up to?
There are some important messages but no revelations, lessons or challenges. Falcon just hears Bradley say, "don't do it", and does it and does fine, because...? So he had self-doubt, hears more doubt from someone else, but does it anyway?
SCORE 5/10
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@whopottervian This isn't a criticism, it's just how I felt. I don't find it to be a ridiculous reaction because I don't care about the characters (never felt they were in danger, besides Falcon for a bit) and don't buy the narrative stakes. Have you ever seen a show or movie where you didn't care about what was going on? I'm not trying to say they're bad, they just didn't work for me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also, Infinity War is one of the only few where the villain either wins philosophically and/or literally. And if you look at the win rate for the heroes in all the movies, I think you'll see why I think the heroes in this universe would win.
If you like it, more power to you! :)
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As Cosmonaut Marcus writes, "It was whatever."
- There's no tension in the fights because, of course, they're going to win.
- Falcon with the save! Superheroes are actually saving people; thank you.
- The story: I'm right, discouraged by obstacles, I'm right again; no lesson learned
- Bucky saved some people!
- Do all these ordinary people train or just happen to know karate (the Flag Smashers)?
- And Walker doesn't go for the save.
- Nvm, Walker goes for the save!
- Wow, Sharon is the Power broker; what a relevant revelation. It's nice to know our theorists are right.
- Karli wishes she was Killmonger, huh?
- Falcon: You're right; I don't understand, but you Senators need to start asking "why?"!
- "U.S. Agent"? Ok, sure.
- WoAh, I wonder what AGeNt CArTer is up to?
There are some important messages but no revelations, lessons or challenges. Falcon just hears Bradley say, "don't do it", and does it and does fine, because...? So he had self-doubt, hears more doubt from someone else, but does it anyway?
SCORE 5/10
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@bcstorey I'm just writing down my thoughts, like anyone else on here. Only 5/12 of my points had negative intent anyway. I never had an intention to hate the show, but with all this time I've invested, I'm just tired, you know? If you saw my review of episode 1, you would've seen how optimistic I was; I was rooting for this one to succeed.
If you enjoy it, I'm happy for you. But I have to ask: what are you accomplishing by telling me I'm "wrong"?
I liked your comment, btw. Because if I loved the show and read your reply, I'd think you did a good job at making fun of the commenter with the "Sorry you didn't succeed. The show was awesome. Your nit picky nonsense? Not so much." line. It's actually pretty good.
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As Cosmonaut Marcus writes, "It was whatever."
- There's no tension in the fights because, of course, they're going to win.
- Falcon with the save! Superheroes are actually saving people; thank you.
- The story: I'm right, discouraged by obstacles, I'm right again; no lesson learned
- Bucky saved some people!
- Do all these ordinary people train or just happen to know karate (the Flag Smashers)?
- And Walker doesn't go for the save.
- Nvm, Walker goes for the save!
- Wow, Sharon is the Power broker; what a relevant revelation. It's nice to know our theorists are right.
- Karli wishes she was Killmonger, huh?
- Falcon: You're right; I don't understand, but you Senators need to start asking "why?"!
- "U.S. Agent"? Ok, sure.
- WoAh, I wonder what AGeNt CArTer is up to?
There are some important messages but no revelations, lessons or challenges. Falcon just hears Bradley say, "don't do it", and does it and does fine, because...? So he had self-doubt, hears more doubt from someone else, but does it anyway?
SCORE 5/10
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@paulvincent83 I'm not asking for the villains to win (who would? They're the villains!). What I'm saying is that I never once believed the Karli's mission was going to succeed (like Killmonger in Black Panther). I never felt like the heroes were in danger because they were only kicking ass.
And with regards to my poor understanding of storytelling, could you recommend any resources that could help me improve? I'm always looking for ways to get better, so feel free to even criticise me some more, because i want to learn!
Also, I gave this a 6/10; a 3/5, I don't hate this show, most of my ratings are 6/10s or 7/10s.