Review by Jordy
VIP8Barbenheimer: Part 1 of 2
This is the kind of film I really don’t want to criticize, because we don’t get nearly enough other stuff like it. However, mr. Nolan has been in need of an intervention for a while now, and unfortunately all of the issues that have been plaguing his films since The Dark Knight Rises show up to some degree here. Visually it might just be his best film, and there’s some tremendous acting in here, particularly by Murphy and RDJ. However, it makes the common biopic mistake of treating its subject matter like a Wikipedia entry, thereby not focussing enough on character and perspective. As a whole, the film feels more like a long extended montage, I don’t think there are many scenes that go on for longer than 60 seconds. There’s a strong ‘and then this happened, and then this happened’ feel to it, which definitely keeps up the pace, but it refuses to stop and let an emotion or idea simmer for a while. There are moments where you get a look into Oppenheimer’s mind, but because the film wants to cover too much ground, it’s (like everything else) reduced to quick snippets. It’s the kind of approach that’d work for a 6 hour long miniseries where you can spend more time with the characters, not for a 3 hour film. I can already tell that I won’t retain much from this, in fact a lot of it is starting to blur together in my mind. There are also issues with some of the dialogue and exposition, such as moments where characters who are experts in their field talk in a way that feels dumbed down for the audience, or just straight up inauthentic. Einstein is given a couple of cheesy lines, college professors and students interact in a way that would never happen, Oppenheimer gives a lecture in what’s (according to the movie) supposed to be Dutch when it’s really German; you have to be way more careful with that when you’re making a serious drama. Finally, there are once again major issues with the sound mixing. I actually really loved the score, but occasionally it’s blaring at such a volume where it drowns out important dialogue in the mix. I’m lucky enough to have subtitles, but Nolan desperately needs to get his ears checked, or maybe he should’ve asked some advice from Benny Safdie since he’s pretty great with experimental sound mixing. My overall feelings are almost identical to the ones I had regarding Tenet; Nolan needs to rethink his approach to writing, editing and mixing. This film as a whole doesn’t work, but there are still more than a few admirable qualities to it.
Edit: I rewatched this at home to see whether my feeling would change. I still stand by what I wrote in July, though the sound mix seems to have been improved for the home media release. It sounds more balanced and I didn’t miss one line of dialogue this time around. I’m slightly raising my score because of that, but besides that I still think it’s unfocused, overedited, awkwardly staged and scripted etc.
5.5/10
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@jordyep One of the problems with Nolan's sound mixing is that he compresses the mix. That means the difference between the loudest sound in the movie and the quietest sound isn't as high as your average film. You can measure this digitally and Oppenheimer has a really poor dynamic range. Nolan seems to like everything loud constantly. Rather than quiet passages and then loud when it needs to be.
The second is that because the mixing is so bad and audio muffled if you don't have a full seperate home cinema where everything is calibrated well and speakers have good technical design it becomes even harder on something like TV speakers where the majority listen
Ironically I find this approach and his confusing timeline/scene cuts and lack of dialogue intelligibility mean the rewatch value of his movies is very high - cause you typically don't get to understand or see everything first time. Your mind then doesn't bother remembering the plot and just remembers "the experience".
Review by Lucas Melo
VIP8Man, this time I thought I was keeping perfect track of everything and had some theories lined up, surely they couldn't pull the rug from under us again... most of what I thought ended up being just dead wrong, I'm a fool, can't believe it haha. They pulled the "different timelines" trick of Season 1 mixed with the "fidelity time jump" trick of Season 2, and I definitely need to watch this one again.
So basically, everything we've seen with Caleb and Maeve (including the past stuff shown in this episode) happened in the few years following Season 3, but then they "died". Hale then dominates the world, and over two decades later, I guess there's only a faction of humans that remain, including Caleb's daughter, and that's when Bernard begins doing his stuff / Dolores begins realizing things are strange. The twist makes a lot of sense... knowing this, I'm super excited to see what the show becomes now.
What I'm most curious about is finding out exactly what Hale is doing, because it seems like the hosts aren't really aware of what went down and just "live life" normally in the world - so rather than just being a "human vs hosts" situation, at least it looks like Hale is also playing god even among the hosts, plus, humans are being made into hosts, such as Caleb. I wonder why, and also wonder if William is still being kept alive.
The biggest question though... was Stubbs just sitting down waiting for 30 years for Bernard to be back? lol
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@kobak When Caleb asked if she was going to make him kill himself she said she wouldn't do that to him because Delores and Meave were so fond of him and she she was intrigued by it. So maybe she kept him alive for that reason
Review by Lucas Melo
VIP8Man, this time I thought I was keeping perfect track of everything and had some theories lined up, surely they couldn't pull the rug from under us again... most of what I thought ended up being just dead wrong, I'm a fool, can't believe it haha. They pulled the "different timelines" trick of Season 1 mixed with the "fidelity time jump" trick of Season 2, and I definitely need to watch this one again.
So basically, everything we've seen with Caleb and Maeve (including the past stuff shown in this episode) happened in the few years following Season 3, but then they "died". Hale then dominates the world, and over two decades later, I guess there's only a faction of humans that remain, including Caleb's daughter, and that's when Bernard begins doing his stuff / Dolores begins realizing things are strange. The twist makes a lot of sense... knowing this, I'm super excited to see what the show becomes now.
What I'm most curious about is finding out exactly what Hale is doing, because it seems like the hosts aren't really aware of what went down and just "live life" normally in the world - so rather than just being a "human vs hosts" situation, at least it looks like Hale is also playing god even among the hosts, plus, humans are being made into hosts, such as Caleb. I wonder why, and also wonder if William is still being kept alive.
The biggest question though... was Stubbs just sitting down waiting for 30 years for Bernard to be back? lol
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@reveriecode Everything was telegraphed from the start of the season. It was painfully obvious, unless you weren't paying attention.
About Stubbs, he wasn't sitting down waiting. He said he was taking care not to disturb Bernard, that's why he was covered in dust while the room was clean.
I don't see why they'd obey her, she had no way to force them...
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@unexpectedtyron I know what the hell!? Lower all of her attributes. This pissed me off the entire episode, hit an alarm, walk out the door.
Good old PSX days. It's probably going to suck though.
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Lol. Yup. Def had some good memories playing the game.
Unwanted garbage agendas. Worst than the first one, director knows nothing about the castlevania world. An insult to the fans.
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@drjoestars Agenda means Black people right? Just be clear what you mean.
Unwanted garbage agendas. Worst than the first one, director knows nothing about the castlevania world. An insult to the fans.
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@drjoestars imagine saying that having gay characters and taking the stance that slavery is bad is blm and lgbtq garbage, couldn't be me
EDIT: wow, edited your comment to take out the specifically offensive part, hilarious
You'd think a multi-million dollar show would have a better action sequence.What on earth was that scene where Ahsoka , Sabine and Ezra are dodging bullets from over 50 storm troopers , oh my god. That was sooo bad. Even I would have directed a better action sequence.
There is so much fury in Rosario Dawson's face while battling , but we can hardly see any of that in her fights and the result is embarrassingly cringe .
So we finished one complete season and we still haven't gotten a clue as to what Baylon Skoll's arc is? The actor has passed away , rest his soul , so I wonder what on earth would they do now .
The storm troopers usually have a zero plot armour in the movies , here they have been dialled down to -100.
And the director's idea to wrap up this garbage of a finale was to show a glimpse of Anakin in the end? Do you expect us to give a standing ovation for that?
Very very disappointing
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@yavoth1 yeah , the IMDb ratings are filled with people like those. :person_facepalming:♂
You'd think a multi-million dollar show would have a better action sequence.What on earth was that scene where Ahsoka , Sabine and Ezra are dodging bullets from over 50 storm troopers , oh my god. That was sooo bad. Even I would have directed a better action sequence.
There is so much fury in Rosario Dawson's face while battling , but we can hardly see any of that in her fights and the result is embarrassingly cringe .
So we finished one complete season and we still haven't gotten a clue as to what Baylon Skoll's arc is? The actor has passed away , rest his soul , so I wonder what on earth would they do now .
The storm troopers usually have a zero plot armour in the movies , here they have been dialled down to -100.
And the director's idea to wrap up this garbage of a finale was to show a glimpse of Anakin in the end? Do you expect us to give a standing ovation for that?
Very very disappointing
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@thebabayaga "Do you expect us to give a standing ovation for that"
Yes, that is exactly what they expect – us just to scream mindlessly because "hey, that's the guy from the old thing!" And many will.
You'd think a multi-million dollar show would have a better action sequence.What on earth was that scene where Ahsoka , Sabine and Ezra are dodging bullets from over 50 storm troopers , oh my god. That was sooo bad. Even I would have directed a better action sequence.
There is so much fury in Rosario Dawson's face while battling , but we can hardly see any of that in her fights and the result is embarrassingly cringe .
So we finished one complete season and we still haven't gotten a clue as to what Baylon Skoll's arc is? The actor has passed away , rest his soul , so I wonder what on earth would they do now .
The storm troopers usually have a zero plot armour in the movies , here they have been dialled down to -100.
And the director's idea to wrap up this garbage of a finale was to show a glimpse of Anakin in the end? Do you expect us to give a standing ovation for that?
Very very disappointing
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@sheldon1985 "The show had an entire episode dedicated to the relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka "
yeah that's where it should have ended . And why did they even show Anakin in the end? Do you think Ahsoka did anything significant in those last few moments for them to show a glimpse of Anakin just like that?
I'd agree with you statement if they had showed a glimpse of him when she did anything redeeming , maybe like when she let Shin go instead of just killing her?
"You didn't pay attention to the show or you're just looking for things to nitpick about"
I'm just stating things which are bad about the show and which didn't make any sense. Sorry for hurting your fanboy sentiment.
Shout by ragreynolds
VIP7What is the point in these ships even having weapons systems? The star destroyer couldn't even shoot a super basic defenceless ship out of the sky! It has been utterly infuriating watching the action sequences in this show.
"I will do what I must" made me cringe. It was like bad fan fiction. The fight wasn't great, though it was definitely better than the fight back in episode 3 of the show.
Reva might just be the most pathetic force user of all time. How the hell did a couple of random farmers hold their own against her? Again, the action in this show has been consistently dreadful - just straight-up bad decisions by the writing team, and laughably poor choreography. Also, she literally just took a lightsaber to the gut hours ago and was left for dead, yet now she suddenly appears absolutely fine walking around on Tattoine? WHAT IS THIS SHOW?
Glad we got the Qui-Gon cameo at the end though.
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Spot on mate.
What a trainwreck
Note to hollyweird - THIS is how you do a show with NO virtue signaling, NO SJW-Preaching, & NO agenda prompting. Just a great show with a great cast and awesome storytelling for entertainment value, period! If only all of hollyweird could/would GET this simple concept.
Tyler Sheridan just keeps bringing in the hits. His Urban-Western storytelling is on fire right now.
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@archangell This show has as much virtue signaling, preaching and agenda prompting as any other show.
It's just more in line with your personal beliefs. That's why it doesn't bother you.
As someone who hasn't read the book(s) I get the feeling, that there is information missing.
There are reactions in certain scenes where I don't understand what gets the characters so excited. They act like its obvious, while it isn't for the unknowing viewer.
I have the suspicion, that there is a section in the book explaining the reaction which wasn't translated in the show sometimes.I don't know if its true, but are the daemons all female? If so, I hope it gets explained why that is (unless I missed it).
Aside from that, great cast, great storytelling and great characters so far - Although I somehow love Marisa best so far, cunning and evil - my kind of woman :)
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@toastedzen Would you recommend reading them in the order they were published, or in the order they timewise relates to each other?
Any thoughts in this regard is welcomed :)
As someone who hasn't read the book(s) I get the feeling, that there is information missing.
There are reactions in certain scenes where I don't understand what gets the characters so excited. They act like its obvious, while it isn't for the unknowing viewer.
I have the suspicion, that there is a section in the book explaining the reaction which wasn't translated in the show sometimes.I don't know if its true, but are the daemons all female? If so, I hope it gets explained why that is (unless I missed it).
Aside from that, great cast, great storytelling and great characters so far - Although I somehow love Marisa best so far, cunning and evil - my kind of woman :)
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@player8472 As someone who did read the books, I also feel like there's something missing. I often tell myself that someone who hasn't read them would not really understand parts of the show (like why are deamons so important). Also, deamons are not all female. Lyra's deamon for instance is a male.
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@ramadri Yes, Angelica gave birth to Will and the others. It was her second cluster.
Yes, anyone can give birth to a cluster. Even men.
Yes, they explained it, they need to look at each other.
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@gried yes, jonas said that giving birth to a cluster is not linked to sexual gender.
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@ramadri she gave them birth in the first episode, and than she killed herself after. :D
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@drowninginfeels If i recall: If one sensate looks into the eyes of another than they'll be able to communicate. Will must be the only one who met both Jonas and Whispers.
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@ramadri I believe one (or all) members can give birth to new clusters because when Jonas talked about his "father," he said he died with all the "kids" by his side; they were like 80.
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@cloud_lightning i was under the same impression but... Now it seems Angelica had her own cluster. Do they mean, now, that one (or all) members can give birth to new clusters? And.. Are they part or not of it? So this means being in 2 clusters at the same time. I am a little confused also about her work, it looks like she was working against homo sensorium..
I'm starting to lose track of Angelica's back story. I don't understand the connection between Angelica and Will's Cluster
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@ramadri Angelica was the one who gave birth to Will's cluster, right?
This movie, right off the bat, makes some smart creative decisions: it doesn’t try to imitate the original too much, and it’s not a musical.
They even steer away from the usual Disney formula by taking away the funny sidekick.
And while the film is technically quite impressive (cinematography and score are top notch), I found it to be ultimately unengaging.
Also, there seems to be a correlation between big, feminist action movies and poor lead performances.
I mean, just do the math: Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and now Mulan.Yes, I also find it important that more of these movies get made (not corporate, tame Disney films, but female driven action movies in general), but they deserve to be a lot better than this.
Problem is, if nobody sees it, chances are execs will take the wrong lesson from it, and think people don’t want to see female/Asian representation, or feminist themes.
So, we’re kinda fucked regardless, but I still don’t find that an excuse to give a heavy push to this mediocre movie, as I see some journalists doing.5/10
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@lainfan No I completely agree! I want more movies with a female lead, not corporate Disney films like this one.
This movie, right off the bat, makes some smart creative decisions: it doesn’t try to imitate the original too much, and it’s not a musical.
They even steer away from the usual Disney formula by taking away the funny sidekick.
And while the film is technically quite impressive (cinematography and score are top notch), I found it to be ultimately unengaging.
Also, there seems to be a correlation between big, feminist action movies and poor lead performances.
I mean, just do the math: Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and now Mulan.Yes, I also find it important that more of these movies get made (not corporate, tame Disney films, but female driven action movies in general), but they deserve to be a lot better than this.
Problem is, if nobody sees it, chances are execs will take the wrong lesson from it, and think people don’t want to see female/Asian representation, or feminist themes.
So, we’re kinda fucked regardless, but I still don’t find that an excuse to give a heavy push to this mediocre movie, as I see some journalists doing.5/10
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@jordyep What do you mean, not corporate? This movie had a heavy corporate hand in it. A clear effort was made to avoid Chinese government censorship (which in my opinion hurt the character writing.) I think the result is a movie that doesn't satisfy neither Chinese and western audiences.
ps. I do agree with the point you are trying to make though.
@mjeledoux Netflix changed the original length and made it into two seasons. Originally it was like you can see here.
If there are still people complaining about the second season not being here and the first one only having 13 episodes: The original Spanish series currently (June 2018) has 15 episodes (part 1: 9 episodes, part 2: 6 episodes), each episode being 70 minutes long! That‘s what you‘re seeing here. Netflix made 40-55 minute episodes out of them, resulting in 13 episodes for the first part and 9 episodes for the second part, so that’s 22 episodes overall. A little confusing, but everything is right in Trakt.tv. There are 15 episodes in the spanisch release and 22 episodes in the Netflix release. And it‘s two parts in Netflix, not two seasons (yet).
The first 9 episodes aired in spain are the first 13 episodes in Netflix and the last 6 episodes aired in spain as a second part, are also the second part in Netflix, but with 9 episodes. It’s that simple ;)
And for those of you being like „Fix it!“ ... Trakt.TV pulls data from other databases (TMDB, TVDB), so that‘s where data comes from. Those databases are community driven, so if there actually would be an error, you could fix it yourself. But there isn‘t, so everything‘s fine! :)
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@fabiomotach No you can't because TVDB decided to use original sorting and you can't change it. Trakt should either made two version of the show or let you use alternate order.
Sorry folks but this one didn't go well for Marvel. I don't even know where to start. Acting was average, more like below average. Screenplay was as much ordinary as it could be. No surprise here. CGI was OK but it's somehow expected from Marvel. But I totally didn't like the idea of Wakanda. Hidden city in the center of Africa with tons of technology and advanced weapons and systems and so on. But how the hell did they build all of that? No explanation. It just happened. Yes, they have Vibranium, but they don't sell it. In fact they never did and for whole world they are just a bunch of shepherds and farmers. So where did they take all that money to build empire like this? I don't like movies without explanations and this is one of them. Almost nothing has been told about Vibranium whatsoever. Oh yeah, it's some super thing from the universe capable of anything. That's all the explanation you get. There are too many clichés we have already seen too many times. And we have to see them again. One example: I challenge someone for a fight because I want to kill him. And when I have the chance to kill him, what would I do? Kill him or throw him down from the cliff to the water where he can survive? But enough. If you hesitate if to watch this, I can recommend not to waste your time. Wait for the Avangers where you can also see the Black Panther. You won't miss anything if you miss out this movie.
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@dumbsloth87 LOL, that made me laughing :) But in fact it may be one of the reasons.
Sorry folks but this one didn't go well for Marvel. I don't even know where to start. Acting was average, more like below average. Screenplay was as much ordinary as it could be. No surprise here. CGI was OK but it's somehow expected from Marvel. But I totally didn't like the idea of Wakanda. Hidden city in the center of Africa with tons of technology and advanced weapons and systems and so on. But how the hell did they build all of that? No explanation. It just happened. Yes, they have Vibranium, but they don't sell it. In fact they never did and for whole world they are just a bunch of shepherds and farmers. So where did they take all that money to build empire like this? I don't like movies without explanations and this is one of them. Almost nothing has been told about Vibranium whatsoever. Oh yeah, it's some super thing from the universe capable of anything. That's all the explanation you get. There are too many clichés we have already seen too many times. And we have to see them again. One example: I challenge someone for a fight because I want to kill him. And when I have the chance to kill him, what would I do? Kill him or throw him down from the cliff to the water where he can survive? But enough. If you hesitate if to watch this, I can recommend not to waste your time. Wait for the Avangers where you can also see the Black Panther. You won't miss anything if you miss out this movie.
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@hlava rating is high because if I rate it anything less than 10 people will call me racist.
Shout by Gotrek Felix
As a big Tolkien and Lotr fan i absolutely hate how im not even excited about this.....
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@felixgotrek whats the problem with it, it hasn't even been released yet.
And people liked this movie, why?
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because it has a good storyline, marvellous acting by all the actors.
I really wanted to love this because I adored both Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 but this was one of the dullest things I’ve ever seen. Didn’t connect to any of the characters or care about anything that happened. Even the incredible production design and cinematography didn’t make this watchable to me.
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@jygglypuffdaddy Arrival and Blade Runner 2049, two really really bad movies though. If that's your standard... Have you ever seen a Dune movie before?
