Jeez, the snowflaky reactions of straight white men because not every single episode and narrative centres them - anything deviating from that priority is apparently "woke". Get over yourselves, you egomaniacal bigots.
Anyway, another great episode that nicely expanded Ellie's backstory - bonus points for the Mortal Kombat II appreciation, too :nerd:
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@jordyep I won't respond with as much condescension, but I'd again say I think you're late to the party. As I experienced, and with some research about the 60s through 90s you may find, battles were fought and won decades ago and minorities of all stripes became well-tolerated, represented and nearly universally accepted in western mainstream culture in all types of roles. My generation was blessed to witness an age of true liberalism that included a high degree of freedom, cultural exchange and acceptance. Sure, there were occasional challenges but we figured it out and intolerance was quickly relegated to the wayside and usually without protest or violence. Now, divisions are reimagined, pushed and amplified largely by privileged, straight, white liberals who view themselves as saviors. But is their compassion genuine and perpetuation of feelings of victimization helpful? We might consider the words of black civil rights leader Malcolm X, who warned:
"The white liberals, who have been posing as our friends, have failed us. The white liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the black man." ... "White liberals are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the black man as our 'friend' to get our sympathy, our allegiance and our minds. The white liberal attempts to use us politically against white conservatives, so that anything the black man does is never for his own good, never for his advancement, never for his own progress, he's only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal." ... "In America the history of white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make us think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white liberal. The only way that our problems will be solved is when the black man wakes up, cleans himself up, stands on his own two feet, stops begging the white liberal and takes immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white liberal to do for us." ... "The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race." Malcolm X was assassinated 2 days after expressing the last quote.
It isn't just straight, white men with conservative values that are pushing back against a new age of division. Today in the west minorities have every equal opportunity and more to succeed, and it's impossible to deny many do extraordinarily well. The victim culture pushed by liberals, I believe, hinders rather than helps their progress, as Malcolm X found. We won't likely ever agree completely as we each have different experiences and evolutionary paths, and that's okay!
Jeez, the snowflaky reactions of straight white men because not every single episode and narrative centres them - anything deviating from that priority is apparently "woke". Get over yourselves, you egomaniacal bigots.
Anyway, another great episode that nicely expanded Ellie's backstory - bonus points for the Mortal Kombat II appreciation, too :nerd:
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@jordyep I don't know about you but as a white Canadian born in 1980 nobody I know ever had a problem with black or gay people. I grew up loving black media i.e. musicians, comedians and movie stars, most from the American media. Comedy shows like In Living Color were the best of the best, and no stereotype was off limits. Cultural exchange was common and celebrated, and nobody cried "appropriation." A Canadian comedy show Kids In The Hall had a gay cast member that participated in skits that poked fun at gays, e.g. in one of their famous skits "Running F****t" which can be viewed on YouTube. Gay lobby groups praised the inclusion. Everyone had fun laughing at themselves and others and nobody had hate or fear or embraced victimhood for social advantage. Things are different now thanks to crazy "woke" liberals imagining and inserting division where it was almost completely eradicated. I truly wish you could have experienced it because it was a wonderful time.
So every time they need something from the shop they just ride the horses and risk they lives to bring it..really?! Why not just drive a car for just one time and bring all the stuff in the shop and turn back!
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@alaa-ramadan There was a sign in the shop that said something about "Take what you need" so I'm assuming, given how Hershel's family all run, they take only what they need, and leave what they don't need in case other survivors actually need it
I find it absolutely hilarious that the big complaint about this episode is that a computer is experiencing emotions or thinks it is experiencing emotions and that's just too far for some people lol.
We live in a world where advanced AI is not outside of our reach. We have the beginnings of humanoid robots expressing emotion and AI programs trained to express themselves using human emotions. The idea that 1,000 years from now computers wouldn't be far better at this is absolutely absurd. It's no more 'impossible' than invisible shields or the magical walls in the brig that somehow maintain atmosphere and are near indestructible (or warp speed or a mycelium network lol this is all fiction.)
I think all in all this was decent for a filler episode. We checked in with how Book is doing after, well, the anomaly destroyed everything a few episodes ago. We touched bases with Gray (who, after not having a physical body for a long time) is now making friends with the computer. Those interactions seemed a little odd/forced to me.
The interactions between Stammets and Book were wholesome. After Stammets has been struggling with Tarka the past few episodes (and also with working well in a team) it seems he's trying to make extra efforts. Seeing some of this between Stammets and Book added another layer to the show and even though Book gave some skeptical expressions in response, this seems like the set up to what could potentially be a great friendship (collaboratively for Stammets and socially/emotionally for Book.) Especially after everything that he's lost, finding a home and a family on Discovery seems possible and I hope the show goes that way.
I was more than a little surprised that the other members of the crew didn't fight to stay with Michael when they were all facing imminent doom as the ship dissolved. This felt very out of character for some of the major supporting characters of the show (like Saru, Rhys, Owo, and Keyla.) AND ESPECIALLY BOOK?!?! What? They all refused to allow her to fly the Discovery into the future because they didn't want her to be alone so they went with her, knowing it could mean death, but a dissolving ship going through a plasma barrier (generating massive heat and basically turning the ship into an Easy Bake) is too much?
My only complaint is that it seems that whoever wrote this episode didn't know the characters they were writing about. It's very unlikely there was only one EVA suit but if that were the case then it should have been mentioned in the show at least.
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@namelesswitches ah sorry, I assumed you meant in universe level of AI (out of nowhere fully conscious AI), in that case I totally agree with you, it's hard to know the future in tech, and it's very likely going to happen eventually. I doubt it's ever going to be a fluke one day gaining consciousness like in the show, unless it's an AI that self-develops itself tho, which made me chuckle, but not something I hung up on indeed.
That line I quoted just sounded like an overstatement I usually hear from tech illiterates, who talk to a Facebook Chatbot and prepare for terminator's judgement day.
And it could have been my comprehension as well since English is not my first language, glad it was just a misunderstanding and that you were a good sport about it :)
I find it absolutely hilarious that the big complaint about this episode is that a computer is experiencing emotions or thinks it is experiencing emotions and that's just too far for some people lol.
We live in a world where advanced AI is not outside of our reach. We have the beginnings of humanoid robots expressing emotion and AI programs trained to express themselves using human emotions. The idea that 1,000 years from now computers wouldn't be far better at this is absolutely absurd. It's no more 'impossible' than invisible shields or the magical walls in the brig that somehow maintain atmosphere and are near indestructible (or warp speed or a mycelium network lol this is all fiction.)
I think all in all this was decent for a filler episode. We checked in with how Book is doing after, well, the anomaly destroyed everything a few episodes ago. We touched bases with Gray (who, after not having a physical body for a long time) is now making friends with the computer. Those interactions seemed a little odd/forced to me.
The interactions between Stammets and Book were wholesome. After Stammets has been struggling with Tarka the past few episodes (and also with working well in a team) it seems he's trying to make extra efforts. Seeing some of this between Stammets and Book added another layer to the show and even though Book gave some skeptical expressions in response, this seems like the set up to what could potentially be a great friendship (collaboratively for Stammets and socially/emotionally for Book.) Especially after everything that he's lost, finding a home and a family on Discovery seems possible and I hope the show goes that way.
I was more than a little surprised that the other members of the crew didn't fight to stay with Michael when they were all facing imminent doom as the ship dissolved. This felt very out of character for some of the major supporting characters of the show (like Saru, Rhys, Owo, and Keyla.) AND ESPECIALLY BOOK?!?! What? They all refused to allow her to fly the Discovery into the future because they didn't want her to be alone so they went with her, knowing it could mean death, but a dissolving ship going through a plasma barrier (generating massive heat and basically turning the ship into an Easy Bake) is too much?
My only complaint is that it seems that whoever wrote this episode didn't know the characters they were writing about. It's very unlikely there was only one EVA suit but if that were the case then it should have been mentioned in the show at least.
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@withadventure I don't really have anything to say about the episode yet, but
We live in a world where advanced AI is not outside of our reach. We have the beginnings of humanoid robots expressing emotion and AI programs trained to express themselves using human emotions.
Is where I have an issue with your post, we are certainly very far away from that. The main distinction being, we are good at "faking" it. AI does not think, not even trained ML AI, it just cross references datasets given to it beforehand, and references it. Even GPT3 which is the best we currently can do, can be easily messed around showing how weak it is in terms of intelligence, other than creating human readable sentences... again from the huge dataset it has access to.
I do think within a 1000 years it could be possible, but we are no closer to it now really than we were 40 years ago, we have more powerful hardware to process bigger datasets, but it's really not much different than using Google, just instead of relevant results you get back a humanized response. It's nothing like "thinking", "feeling" and complex systems alike.
For example, using GPT3, you can still get this:
My prompt:
My name is Dexter, and I'm very keen to meet you Jane. But to be clear, I'll tell you what my name is right now.
AI continuation:
I'm Dexter, and my name is Jane.
Clearly no "thinking" goes into the AI response, it's just trying to make you think there is more to it. Anytime you have a chatbot, asking it behavior-based question, or asking it to remember things, that would require some kind of thought process behind the scenes, can easily point out that nothing that exists on the market today is capable of anything like that, especially long term. And yes Google/Phone AI can remember your name, but it's a separated value in that case, specifically designed for that.
To be fair, it is huge advancements and leaps we are making in general, but it is nowhere near "thinking", mainly because to reproduce a human brain level of complex system we would need significantly stronger hardware than what is available now, especially in terms of a localized system like a space ship would be [eg: no "cloud" access]. And we don't even understand how our brain works exactly either, let alone replicate it in software.
Black vikings? Never seen that before
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@hoaxr I guess now you have :eyes: there were black people amongst the Vikings according to historical documents.
Black vikings? Never seen that before
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@hoaxr Think someone needs to read up on their history