Makes me want to cancel my Disney subscription. Quality over quantity! Do remember when Disney had the best movie storylines... what happened? Can make an interesting TV show story? Seems not... Please don't ruin a successful franchise.
loading replies
@daniel-e-jones-me-com I’d definitely cancel my Disney subscription over this if I were you
Even with the soapy melodrama, occasional bad acting and a considerably lower budget (probably 2% of the budget of this show per episode): Arrow managed to create better characters and more visceral, memorable and coherent action scenes in its first 2 seasons compared to this show. I’ll even go as far to say that it looks better, despite using incredibly basic set ups and filmmaking techniques. Getting Hailee Steinfeld was a great choice, but her character isn’t leaving a very strong or likable impression. In comparison, Joss Whedon managed to make you care about Clint’s character within 15 minutes of screentime. Well, enough to make you care as a side character.
Moreover, this feels like a studio giving their impression of a Marvel Netflix show, like Daredevil or Jessica Jones, but it doesn’t understand what makes those shows good. It’s so tame and uninspired. It seems to aim for 80’s cheese at points, but even those old action movies had some bite to them (despite how silly they could get). The comedy is mostly flat out lame and cringy, with the role playing scene probably being the lowest low of the entire MCU so far. The recent Marvel projects have had such a weird shift in terms of comedy. They used to be great at making mass product films that were at least a little bit clever and subversive. It’s no surprise that a lot of people who worked on Community also work behind the scenes at Marvel. It’s like they fired those writers after phase 3 ended, and hired the Friends team instead. Their quality control is spreading very thin.
loading replies
@exium It doesn’t really matter, there are a lot of movies that manage to create good characters in a layered story within 2 hours, and there are shows that can’t do any of that stuff in 24 episodes. Take a movie like Black Panther, that film has more compelling characters and a more detailed story than this show, despite only running for 2 hours.
Shout by Sopherian van Ettinger
VIPOG12Thats a lot of the N word! Like in 10 times a minute...
It's so weird that it is offensive when other people say it, but when you are black its okai.
This is just weird to me and I can't stand it, and it makes it unwatchable for me, sorry!Edit: The last thing I want to say about it is: Or EVERYBODY is allowed to say it, or NOBODY is allowed to say it.
Not some people do and some people don't! Its racist when a non black person is saying it. Well its also racist when other skin colors aren't allowed to say it based on their skin color. So lets just all stop saying it instead... End of story.loading replies
@sopherian No, it isn't. Other races saying it to blacks carries negative historical connotations, blacks saying it among themselves, for the most part, does not. Go educate yourself.
You left a comment on a TV show arguing for the right of other races to call people with black skin ni*****.
:construction: Moderator edit :construction: Let’s keep it respectful.
Shout by Sopherian van Ettinger
VIPOG12Thats a lot of the N word! Like in 10 times a minute...
It's so weird that it is offensive when other people say it, but when you are black its okai.
This is just weird to me and I can't stand it, and it makes it unwatchable for me, sorry!Edit: The last thing I want to say about it is: Or EVERYBODY is allowed to say it, or NOBODY is allowed to say it.
Not some people do and some people don't! Its racist when a non black person is saying it. Well its also racist when other skin colors aren't allowed to say it based on their skin color. So lets just all stop saying it instead... End of story.loading replies
@sopherian This is the whitest thing I've read on Trakt.
Shout by Sopherian van Ettinger
VIPOG12Thats a lot of the N word! Like in 10 times a minute...
It's so weird that it is offensive when other people say it, but when you are black its okai.
This is just weird to me and I can't stand it, and it makes it unwatchable for me, sorry!Edit: The last thing I want to say about it is: Or EVERYBODY is allowed to say it, or NOBODY is allowed to say it.
Not some people do and some people don't! Its racist when a non black person is saying it. Well its also racist when other skin colors aren't allowed to say it based on their skin color. So lets just all stop saying it instead... End of story.loading replies
@sopherian Language is not an abstract construct, at least, not when used by people. Every word has different historical connotations depending on who's using it, or where it's being used. Wu-Tang: An American Saga is 100% an American show, and the people represented here had the word 'nigger' used against them in derogatory sense, by non-colored people, on daily basis.
Put yourself in their shoes: if random black people called you 'donkey' everyday, for years, solely based on your skin color, and they actually mean it, you would not want to hear another black man calling you the same word ever again, would you? But you would not flip if a friend, or a family member, jokingly called you 'donkey'.
Typically, in the US, when used by colored folk, the word carries friendly connotations; it is rarely, if ever, used in a derogatory sense. The word sounds the same, but it takes on a different meaning depending on who's saying it, what is the context, and what their intentions are. This is why it is different.
And YES, the problem IS your skin color. This is where the negative historical connotations come from; white Caucasians did enslave black Africans for centuries, and are still practicing racism against them on daily basis, primarily in the Western hemisphere. Racism is very much alive, and people of color get antagonized everyday. When you incautiously use the word, you're inadvertently associating yourself with evil, and bringing up a terrible memory, of the times the same word was used as an insult, in the mind of the colored person to whom you're talking.
Here, on the internet, especially on predominantly English-speaking websites, you rarely see it said because most of the popular websites are US-based, and racism is thriving on a massive scale in the US, and, to my knowledge, the situation isn't much better in other, western, English-speaking countries. In general, you should never compare cultures, habits, and traditions between two different countries because these are always massively different, especially when they belong to different parts of the world.
You can practice your right of free speech very openly without having to use that particular word—all you have to do is replace it with 'people of color' and I assure you everyone will know what you mean, and no one will be hurt. This is called respect, empathy, and compassion. Language is a vehicle to communicate your thoughts and feelings—as long as that is doable, and it still is, you should not have a problem dropping hurtful words from your vocabulary.
That said, you can actually say the word in some contexts, given the person you're talking to knows it is said out of love and appreciation for their culture. In fact, the Wu-Tang Clan—the rap group this very show is based on, are known for sharing covers of their songs made by non-colored fans saying the word. Most famously, this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGO2U5VlCw
The problem with you randomly dropping it at will is that strangers do not know who you are, or how you usually use it, and since the majority of non-colored people who use it utilize it as an insult, people will most likely assume you mean it as an insult, and they will, non-voluntarily, feel hurt. Now, you can clear that up, of course, but why go through the trouble, and make others feel bad in the process, when you have a very simple alternative?
Lastly, I don't know how accurate this is: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Dutch-word-%E2%80%9Cneger%E2%80%9D-a-racial-slur But, according to that person's answer, the word 'negers' never actually carried the same negative connotations in the Netherlands, to begin with.
