it took them 2 yrs to come out with season 3 wtf. i forgot everything.
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@kynize We had a global pandemic, so that's the reason for the "wtf".
This is more "Hell no" than "Halo."
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@triseult People throw out 2 or 3 ratings too much on this site.
it had 3 reviews with 2 star rating before the episode even finished airing. literal bots bombing this great episode for no reason.
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@trakt-tv-bhavesh typical conservative incel bullshittery
This felt more like More WOKE, Virtue Signalling than our Science based Star Trek we've all come to love. Nevertheless, being a Sci-Fi fan, I tried to ignore the Virtue Signalling and relaxed into the episode, which felt it was based on Emotion and trying to make the Audience feel good,.... Then, BOOM, the Woke culture slapped me around the face again when Earths president walked off the shuttle and all I saw was Freaking !!!Stacey Abrams!!! and the whole WOKE Culture was thrown to the forefront of my mind.... Thanks for Ruining what could have been an awesome Star Trek!... I hope Strange New Worlds with Captain PIKE doesn't go down this road.
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@gameplaycrush Yeah, DS9 wasn't woke at all! It's not like they did an entire episode about the prejudice faced by black science fiction writers or featured a scene centered on Sisko and his partner feeling uncomfortable about participating in Vic Fontaine's program because people who looked like them weren't welcome at night clubs like that.
This felt more like More WOKE, Virtue Signalling than our Science based Star Trek we've all come to love. Nevertheless, being a Sci-Fi fan, I tried to ignore the Virtue Signalling and relaxed into the episode, which felt it was based on Emotion and trying to make the Audience feel good,.... Then, BOOM, the Woke culture slapped me around the face again when Earths president walked off the shuttle and all I saw was Freaking !!!Stacey Abrams!!! and the whole WOKE Culture was thrown to the forefront of my mind.... Thanks for Ruining what could have been an awesome Star Trek!... I hope Strange New Worlds with Captain PIKE doesn't go down this road.
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@alienmoon Yeah, I'm sick of all this newfound wokeness in Star Trek. For instance, I watched this episode from the 1960s where they had a white person and a black person kiss, and another from the same time period with these half-white half-black aliens where the whole thing is a big metaphor for racism being bad, and I'm like "Geeze, why you gotta throw this in my face?" What happened to the good old fashioned politics free Star Trek?
I was not expecting it to end so suddenly, I fully believed it was the last episode of the season, can't wait to see how it's all resolved.
As a side note, I'm glad to see more positive comments than negative comments here. Is it too much to hope that those who only commented negatively for the sake of being negative have finally stopped watching?
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@sheldon1985 - Sorry, but they're still watching, for example, the guy who commented right after you about there being too much drama in a sci-fi drama. I know, it doesn't make any sense. LoL
For what it's worth, like you, there are more of us who enjoy the show than them, but you know what they say about empty vessels... :smirk:
Live long and prosper fellow human.
Another episode about feelings. Garbage. I think I’m going to have to drop this show after this season.
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@whos_ur_buddha just drop it already. You've spent four years crying about it. Just go cry elsewhere, no one cares about the feelings of the "f your feelings crowd."
Can see they are pushing further inner exploration and growth during these episodes. Not sure why there is so much hate for allowing the trek ethos to grow in this way. Think too many are not willing to move with the times and allow this show to deal with social issues like past trek shows have done in their own way.
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@2ls1t they have nothing else in their lives but to bitch and whine about Star Trek being woke/too socialist/too many feelings, while fully ignoring the fact that society in trek has been woke/socialist/and full of feelings since the 60's. Because they're triggered trumpets who can't do anything except whine and cry. Which is ironic because of how they treated everyone else the prior five years.
Can see they are pushing further inner exploration and growth during these episodes. Not sure why there is so much hate for allowing the trek ethos to grow in this way. Think too many are not willing to move with the times and allow this show to deal with social issues like past trek shows have done in their own way.
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@mad-maru Not to mention there are four previous iterations of Trek with 100s of episodes between them to scratch that vintage itch. Discovery is far from perfect but the endless bitching from people on here about "woke politics" and "too many feelings" are beyond tedious and they should just move on already if it upsets them that much.
Shout by VWFringe the Pervy Sage from TVMuse
I've really gotta stop reading these comments....
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@VWFringe yeah at times it really feels like I'm one of the only people who actually enjoy Discovery. I don't understand why they don't just stop watching.
Again with the random five minutes of the little kid story. I really don’t understand this type of story telling. Are the creators letting interns try out their own sorry telling?
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@whos_ur_buddha stop these idiotic comments and wait for it. Laconia plays a HUGE role. Learn to read a book and be patient…. Jeez….
Would be great if all the people who went out of their way to comment how much they hated the show for like the past four seasons every single week just... stopped watching it.
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@milo123 Fair enough. I think that many people just see that glimmer of potential in Discovery that keeps them watching (at least it's in my case there). And it's not easy to quit during a season...
Half a Life (Or: What happens when Star Trek does Midsommar)
In all seriousness though, this episode has a lot in common with Ari Aster's latest. It didn't quite payoff entirely - there's some rough edges around the middle, but I didn't hate this episode. It's perhaps the one that's most at home in Star Trek: The Next Generation out of all of the Star Trek shows. Picard taking a reserve, back seat action to something that feels so inherently wrong a concept as this is certainly not something that Burnham, Sisko or Kirk would have done to name a few examples.
Rather than take the easy route of making the natives of the planet the bad guys or cartoonishly evil, even though they're in the wrong and nobody would argue otherwise (apart from that cult in Midsommar, I guess), the actors do a convincing job of selling their characters' beliefs and the script does an effective job at giving depth to them.
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@milo123 It's funny, I hadn't made the connection to Midsommar, but it's a neat comparison. It's good reason not to go on a summer backpacking trip to Kaelon II though...
Sooo she is not in prison anymore? Did they scrap that idea or have I missed something? The story in this episode is all over the place. To much going on, to many jumps to different people who I dont understand why we would care. The two ghost thing or what ever they are, the makeup and costume is soo ugly. But the doggy thing was very cute. And it was great to see the Weeping Angel. Hopefully Chibnall won’t destroy them like he has done with everything else. I don’t understand why I continue watching. Every time I think maybe this episode is better, but after I’m always just so sad and so disappointed.
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@victorczon you missed the special ‘revolution of the Daleks’
Stop voting before the episode airs, you idiots!
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@divide But then how do you expect people to express their racism and opposition to the "SJW agenda"?
It’s not a movie.
It’s just another bland, soulless mass product that’s primarily aimed at the Chinese market.
Now that WB is the only real studio releasing big movies, it really shows what a joke of a studio they’ve become during the last 5 years.
Not that they didn’t release crap before that, but at least there was something like a good Mad Max, Harry Potter, Matrix or Lord of the Rings film somewhere to be found in their slate.
It would seem Villeneuve and Nolan are the only real talents that are left at the studio.
For nearly every other film they make, they seem to think that appealing to the lowest common denominator will give them the biggest return on their investment.
I.e. the action scenes are more important than the story or the characters, and the scale needs to be huge, even if it looks tacky and fake.3/10
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@jordyep I had to say you're wrong about the Chinese market part. Chinese have no recognition of the Mortal Combat franchise whatsoever, since the games never made it to the market. If you said so based on the amount of Asian faces you saw in it, we all know what that means.
And with one episode left to go, The Clone Wars delivered another perfect episode that finally reached the moment that we were all expecting it to reach: Order 66.
Refreshingly avoiding the all-too easy option of repeating excessive scenes from the movie such as the montage of all the Clones turning on the Jedi and not featuring Obi-Wan and Anakin or any of the other Jedi at all full stop, The Clone Wars reminds us at the end what the show has always been about, Ahsoka and Rex. Their story. I'm not lying when I say that this episode full on wrecked me - there was no point in trying to hide Order 66 because we all knew it was coming, and instead, keeping the focus on these two characters rather than going for something much bigger led to a much more impactful moment with the scene where Rex gets his orders from the Darth Sidious being one of the strongest moments that the show has ever done. You can feel the emotion. You can see him trying to fight it and failing. And then there's that moment where he, like the entire army of the republic, switches into cold-blooded hunter the moment the Order is given. I mentioned last week about Revenge of the Sith hitting a little differently on a rewatch; it's not just that: Rebels is going to hit a little differently on a rewatch, a show which I fully plan on revisiting too.
The little touches designed to play to audience's emotions like having the clones in their Tano-coloured helmets salute Ahsoka, and the show reaffirming the bond between Rex and Ahsoka moments before Order 66 happened added up to this emotional gut-punch of a moment even further. We've all seen Revenge of the Sith, we all know this moment was what this season was building towards - yet it doesn't stop it from being arguably, the most emotional moment in the whole series and one of the most emotional moments in the entire franchise, thanks in no small part due to the fact that the writers know that we know what's coming next. The music played a huge role here, which is appropriate - arguably Order 66 wouldn't have had the same impression without that John Williams fanfare in Revenge of the Sith, and the little touches of silence before it lead create a sense of eeriness and fear. I was worried throughout the episode constantly for Ahsoka even if Rebels fans know her fate, and Rex's, after The Clone Wars.
The scenes that the show did include from Revenge of the Sith were chosen perfectly - the council meeting to reaffirm the fact that the Chancellor was involved in something dodgy and to remind us of where we were in the film's timeline (honestly, overlapping this show with the events of the film was the best decision ever - Claudia Gray's Lost Stars did something similiar with the original trilogy and that too worked perfectly so it's not without precedent in the Star Wars universe), and that scene where Ahsoka saw the vision of Anakin turning on Mace and joining Sidious, completing his tragic fall from grace, hit perfectly - especially using the voices of both actors who have played Anakin to sync it up. It was a big, operatic sequence that succeeded on every level.
And then there's Maul. Maul unleashed is Maul at his best, even once defeated the show never stopped reminding us how deadly he was; I love that Ahsoka was smart enough not to give her his lightsaber. We've seen this part so many times where the hero has to trust the villain to escape and the villain inevitably betrays them. Letting Maul go to unleash chaos was exactly what he did - in brutal, visceral fashion, tearing through the Clone army using only the force.
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@milo123 Did you notice that Ahsoka´s feeling about Mace´s fight with Lord Sidiuos has the original audio
from Film???? Cool!!! :)
Seeing the cast, I'm asking myself which of the parents was the unfaithful one, since they clearly don't have the same parents.
Couldn't they at least have the same ethnicity (Don't really care which).
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@player8472 @Jim222001 Also it makes no sense to say it was "made to be politically correct". Normally you don't do something because it's not PC. Doing something to add more diversity isn't political correctness, it's just a choice you can make just like you can choose to make everyone white, or black. In this case it's an homage to the original. Maybe they had always intended one to be a half-sister to add more drama, maybe she was half-white or half-asian, or just fully latina. All lthey would have to do once they cast the actress they liked best (no matter what race) is change the casting of the father, they do things like that all the time. You can't just use the term PC and its negative connotations whenever you want.
not going to lie, i,m seriously worried about the direction the show is going in, not because we have a female doctor now, but because its pretty obvious that the BBC only cast her for political reasons. as long as they don,t keep constantly reminding us that she is a woman and they refrain from male bashing every chance they get, i,m ok with it, but i don,t trust the BBC to do the right thing
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They picked Jodie because Chibnall has worked with her and knows what an exceptional actress she is. Nothing to do with 'political correctness'
Wtf is this show about now without Keene? Who is bad and who is good? I'm going to stop watching...
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It's Keen, and you've haven't even watched the new episode! Why criticize something that you don't even know about?
Mix of Revolution (2012), Magic City (2012) and Kings (2009) which all got canceled. I dropped it after 20 minutes because it was boring and didnt have anything original. Maybe it's for people who like Superhero series, /shrug. This costume drama is too expensive not to be canceled for it's relatively small target audience. If you liked the pilot do yourself a pleasure and put this series on pause untill it concludes , most likely not going to happen, waste of time and money. Not having a white guy as lead also isnt helping the series.
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What's the issue with POC as the lead actor?
Why are you rating movies that haven't even been made yet?
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have you seen the date Sean posted the comment? it's 2014. so movie was in the progress that time. so it has nothing to do with you who voted after the release. It's about the people who rated the movie that wasn't made. And people do that often here.
Excellent finale to a terrific season.
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oh crap. had no idea this was the season finale. that explains the ending. the wait is going to be long and painful!
